Phrenology?

[Merlin]

Hello.

EFT is interesting, isn't it?
I know it is currently explained as 'energy therapy'
But I wonder, could EFT be a subset of phrenology?

Have any of you ever explored phrenology?

[Merlin]

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As far as phrenology being disproven as a science, being 'crap' or from the dark ages, so was hypnosis.

I am quite aware some will be ready to start an objection to my views, by stating that the scalp,
where many or most of these demonstrations have been manifested, is not highly sensitive, that it is
not extensively supplied with sensient nerves, and that they all arise from the fifth pair, and do not
pass directly through the skull to the subjacent points of the brain. This, however, does not prove
that the terminal branches may not ultimately have a special influence on such points,
notwithstanding their circuitous course to arrive there. I beg to remind such individuals that we are
by no means sufficiently acquainted with the laws and distribution of the nervous system, to be
able to prescribe rules as to how it ought and must act. Who does not know, that until the
discoveries of out illustrious countryman, Sir Charles Bell, the same nerve was considered to give
both sense and motion?

There seems to be great reason to conclude that the distribution of the nerves of the scalp will
ultimately be found far more intricate and beautifully arranged than at present we have any
conception of.

—James Braid

The same James Braid that is one of the 'fathers' of hypnosis did a great deal of work in this area. It's easy to dismiss debunked psudo-sciences such as hypnosis, RVing, Phrenology, and such. Sometimes it's worth another look.

[Melvin Higgins]

Hi, my name is Melvin Higgins and I usually post of the Jose Silva method web board, but just took a course on hypnosis, and started looking at this site. My intrest is healing systems.

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[Merlin]

I realise there are many 'systems'
I was just wondering if anyone had explored Phrenology as Braid had done and maybe seen the results he did.

[Don]

Hi, Merlin.

It is interesting that the many whom many credit with changing hypnotism into a scientific study ended up shifting to phrenology. There was a unique museum in Minnesota that used to have a phrenology machine. It would put a helmet over your head which lowered pins to gently make contact with your skull. From this it would print out a farm listing your supposed qualities.

It increased in popularity, reaching a high point in the first half of the last century, winding up with studies made by the Nazis to support their theory of racial superiority (based on the mystical teachings of Theosophy which supported early pro-Aryan beliefs, as well as the concepts of Nietzsche).

Public opinion went against phrenology after the end of WWII.
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/courses/classes/NE-24/Phrenology.htm

[Diamando]

A lot of people in this country, llike Bush's Grandfather, were claimed to jave supported early nazi's for finnacial gain.

as a way american business could make money. Joe Kennedy did it also.
Skull's of Yale also intrest in financing nazi's in early stages of movement.
This stuff is reported in some books about the nazi's and in some books about the Skulls Fraternity.

This EFT stuff will fall out of favor, because of random and inconstant results, like the head method did, for it was given up for random and inconstient results that could not be duplicated by other doctors who tried it.

"mystical teachings of Theosophy which supported early pro-Aryan beliefs, as well as the concepts of Nietzsche)."

So, if you did a little deeper, you will fund many, many United States Banks in the early days of the nazi movement that were supported by these banks and american business men,

Dont single out the Theosphy society. Some think that this nead bump stuff, if bumps massaged, will relieve dissociate mental states. Some think the EFTtapping does this to, like the benefits of theraputic touch. Here us a good web sute on dissocuative conditions.

http://www.labyrinthvictoria.com/staff.html

Psych yourself in! Hypnosis and Health (Sea Walk Press)

[Merlin]

Hi Don,

Have you read Braid?
There was a significant difference in his methodology.
Namely he used *very* deep trance.
That might make the difference, which is why I ask here specifically about Braid's methodology.

As I would expect you know, deep trance can make a very real difference in results when looking at the mind.

>::( to reference the website you refernce)

>::Phrenology is the practice of feeling with the hand the shape and bumps of a person's skull to describe the personality traits of that person.

See, this is not what Braid was doing or reporting.

I'm sure if you look you'll find many websites debunking hypnosis because of its lack of consistency of results.

>::Public opinion of the art dropped after the Nazis used phrenology as one of their arguments for being a superior race

Understandable.
But just because evil uses something doesn't make it wrong.
Many people would say Hitler was a great *hypnotist*
Does that mean hypnosis is no good?

>::Modern neurology and psychiatry view phrenology as a mere historical curiosity.

*Often* Modern neurology and psychiatry view hypnosis as a mere historical curiosity.

>:Phrenology crossed into pseudo-science when its practitioners refused to accept the scientific evidence that disproved it.

Gee that sounds familiar.
Couldn't we say that of hypnosis. TFT, EFT, BSFF, Remote Viewing, and on and on...?

>::These practitioners and their clients are self-deceived in much the same way other pseudo-science believers are...


It is perhaps unfortunate that the label *Phrenology* was used by Braid, since what he did seems so different.

But I still wonder ** I was just wondering if anyone had explored Phrenology as Braid had done and maybe seen the results he did.

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"mystical teachings of Theosophy which supported early pro-Aryan beliefs, as well as the concepts of Nietzsche)."


So Don, do you think Theosopists are Nazi's?, from your statements, looks like you do.

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After your significant other has beaten you about the head, such that it looks like a sack of walnuts it is inadvisable to consult a phrenologist.

If, however, you insist, a good phrenologist will conlude that you have relationship problems.

[Don]

No, you've got it backwards.

Nazis used some Theosophical concepts to support their philosophy.

There were some Theosophists who were Nazis, but that does not mean Theosophy was Nazi by nature. Further, you're taking ONE aspect of Theosophical belief and ignoring everything else.