Induction techniques

[MrOmega]

I have recently learned about pattern interrupts and induction techniques.

To induce someone into a hypnotic trance is to first gain their trust through rapport. Then do something unexpected to open a door to the sub conscious mind, temporarily suspending it in confusion.

Then give a command to gain control of the subject.


Is it safe to say if I do not trust the subject and keep my guard up at all times that I will improve my resistance to induction. If not... what techniques can I use to avoid induction.

Is there a train of thought or style of thinking or even a distance I can maintain during a conversation with another to avoid being inducted.

[Poodle]

Changed my mind - Don't feed trolls.

[MrOmega]

Why has everyone turned on me? What did I do?

I would think the people responsible for action and reaction would be more concerned with turning whatever comes their way to the positive...

This is starting to become a real disappointing experience...

[Don]

Hmmm. What did you do...

1) You asked for advice, received it and rejected it.
2) You seem to think that reading a couple of paragraphs have made you an expert and reject any information from experts
3) You blame your problems on others, and when this is pointed out to you, you say you don't do it as you blame everything on others.

You are right. People responsible for action and reaction are concerned with turning what comes their way to the positive. But they can only do that for themselves. They can't do it for others.

Curiously, your next statement is that this is starting to become a disappointing experience for you. In other words, you have read everything that people are posting and ignored it. You ignore others' expertise and constantly debate it. You've been given tons of free advice and refuse it.

I remember when I was a kid, I used to tell my mom, "I'm bored. There's nothing to do."

Rather than give me something to do she would always say, "You're just boring yourself. Find something to do."

Mr. O., if you're finding this a disappointing experience it's because you are refusing to take responsibility for yourself and because you expected certain answers based on your lack of information. The answers you received were accurate but didn't satisfy because you already had your mind set on getting something else.

One of my favorite movies is "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence." The key to it is the line, "When the legend becomes the fact, print the legend." That's because nobody will believe the fact.

Well, sir, you have a legend in your mind--your incorrect concepts of hypnosis, NLP, and psychology. So you asked about it and instead of supporting your false beliefs by repeating the legend, people here told you the truth. And, just as the movie said, you won't believe it.

"The fault, dear Horatio, lies not in [y]our stars [or with those who have shared the truth], but in [y]ourself."

[MrOmega]

You are right. People responsible for action and reaction are concerned with turning what comes their way to the positive. But they can only do that for themselves. They can't do it for others.

I think your wrong... it is certainly a generalization. To say that one acts independently of the whole and influences no-one would imply that communication in general is flawed and useless...

[skip]

"You think ... you think? It doesnt matter what you think!" Dwane Johnson 'The Rock' "Monday Night Smackdown" 2003


It actually says that the receipent is the one who makes meaning of the communication.

cheers,

skip

[Don]

Mr. O, no matter what I or anyone else says or does, we can't make you positive. Only you can do that. If I say or do something that makes you positive, it is only because you had predetermined ideas and concepts and I fulfilled them. In such a case it's really not what I did, but it's still what you do.

Questions:
1) Why are you so insistent that everyone else should make you positive?
2) Why is it that you keep rejecting what people here know as a result of our years of study, training, and experience, but keep coming back?

[MrOmega]

Mr. O, no matter what I or anyone else says or does, we can't make you positive. Only you can do that. If I say or do something that makes you positive, it is only because you had predetermined ideas and concepts and I fulfilled them. In such a case it's really not what I did, but it's still what you do.

Questions:
1) Why are you so insistent that everyone else should make you positive?
2) Why is it that you keep rejecting what people here know as a result of our years of study, training, and experience, but keep coming back?

We both have preconceive ideas of what this venue should be... You being a long time member feel you have the right to shape the opinions of those coming into the forum however you feel is best suited for your community.

I come in with nothing but questions... the more I ask the more you will fit me into your preconceived notion of what everybody is coming into this forum...

and right now that is this detailed right here...

http://www.hypnosisforum.com/showthread.php?t=9254

Sorry you don't like my questions... I wish you would give me some answers...

Have you been brainwashed to reject everyone coming in here?

[Don]

Mr. O, it's not your questions that are, uh, in question. It's your responses that reject the answers you are given.

If you came here asking "How much is 2+2" and someone here answered "4," what you're doing is like having a response to the "4" where you would say "That's not what I believe and not the answer I'm looking for."

So what, exactly, are you looking for? Since you already seem to think you know the answers, what belief do you want us to validate for you? If you just tell us we'll go, "Sure. That's right," and you can be on your way.

[MrOmega]

Mr. O, it's not your questions that are, uh, in question. It's your responses that reject the answers you are given.

If you came here asking "How much is 2+2" and someone here answered "4," what you're doing is like having a response to the "4" where you would say "That's not what I believe and not the answer I'm looking for."

So what, exactly, are you looking for? Since you already seem to think you know the answers, what belief do you want us to validate for you? If you just tell us we'll go, "Sure. That's right," and you can be on your way.


I have recently learned about pattern interrupts and induction techniques.

To induce someone into a hypnotic trance is to first gain their trust through rapport. Then do something unexpected to open a door to the sub conscious mind, temporarily suspending it in confusion.

Then give a command to gain control of the subject.


Is it safe to say if I do not trust the subject and keep my guard up at all times that I will improve my resistance to induction. If not... what techniques can I use to avoid induction?

Is there a train of thought or style of thinking or even a distance I can maintain during a conversation with another to avoid being inducted?



If my assumptions about induction techniques are inaccurate I would appreciate someone setting me straight of my preconceived notions.

[Don]

Mr. O., a trained and experienced hypnotist wold be able to do a pattern interrupt and you wouldn't even know that it had happened.

I have told you, repeatedly, what you need to do. Get some training. You have repeatedly ignored this or refused to pay attention.

Good luck. I can't be of assistance any more.

[MrOmega]

Mr. O., a trained and experienced hypnotist wold be able to do a pattern interrupt and you wouldn't even know that it had happened.

I have told you, repeatedly, what you need to do. Get some training. You have repeatedly ignored this or refused to pay attention.

Good luck. I can't be of assistance any more.

Hello Don,

Thank you for acknowledging my situation. I have begun the first steps towards training by educating myself about the practice and I have followed up by purchasing recommended readings in hopes that I gain a further understanding.

I would also like to mention to you that the people who have "patterned interrupted" me have done so with error. You see. I have caught them in the act several times. I am a highly intelligent person who has had to combat some of the most fiercely challenging test of will life has to offer and have come out on top in every instance.

I do appreciate your assistance. If you have any advice as to where I might go to look for training I would be thankful. I am located in South Eastern Ontario.

[Merlin]

Mr O,

>To induce someone into a hypnotic trance is to first gain their trust through rapport. Then do something unexpected to open a door to the sub conscious mind, temporarily suspending it in confusion.

A pattern interrupt is only one of many induction techniques.
I would encourage you to learn others first.
Confusion is not hypnosis, and if this method is done wrong, may lead to violence.
Can you say 'broken nose'? I've known foolish, would-be hypnotists who find out the hard way.

>Is it safe to say if I do not trust the subject and keep my guard up at all times that I will improve my resistance to induction. If not... what techniques can I use to avoid induction?

Is there a train of thought or style of thinking or even a distance I can maintain during a conversation with another to avoid being inducted?

It depends on the hypnotist's skill.
Nothing is going to protect you if the hypnotist is sufficiently skilled.

>

If my assumptions about induction techniques are inaccurate I would appreciate someone setting me straight of my preconceived notions

Have you read my FAQ?

[Don]

Intelligence in this is irrelevant. Magicians fool intelligent people all the time. Training to make you aware is what will change you, not all the intelligence in the world.

[MrOmega]

Intelligence in this is irrelevant. Magicians fool intelligent people all the time. Training to make you aware is what will change you, not all the intelligence in the world.

Good point... In fact I am not an intelligent person when you put it that way but rather a naturally aware person... I have been through enough bad times to be able to the truth in most every situation... which in it's own right is fairly scary. You know the cushiony child like disillusionment most people have... well I don't have it...

This is exactly what I'm searching for... the correct way to gain more awareness without crossing into the realm of paranoid schizophrenia...

Your insights as to which people or which school of thought for proper training would be much appreciated.

[MrOmega]

Mr O,

>To induce someone into a hypnotic trance is to first gain their trust through rapport. Then do something unexpected to open a door to the sub conscious mind, temporarily suspending it in confusion.

A pattern interrupt is only one of many induction techniques.
I would encourage you to learn others first.
Confusion is not hypnosis, and if this method is done wrong, may lead to violence.
Can you say 'broken nose'? I've known foolish, would-be hypnotists who find out the hard way.

>Is it safe to say if I do not trust the subject and keep my guard up at all times that I will improve my resistance to induction. If not... what techniques can I use to avoid induction?

Is there a train of thought or style of thinking or even a distance I can maintain during a conversation with another to avoid being inducted?

It depends on the hypnotist's skill.
Nothing is going to protect you if the hypnotist is sufficiently skilled.

>

If my assumptions about induction techniques are inaccurate I would appreciate someone setting me straight of my preconceived notions

[quote=Merlin;57082] Have you read my FAQ?

Yes... I read your F.A.Q and they were very appreciated. It's funny how you mention the "broken nose" of a would be hypnotist as this would be hypnotist has received very similar threats from myself.

I have caught this person hypnotizing me. I am certain of it. 100%. And I do not by any means think for a minute that they are an expert. I believe they were first introduced to the concept approximately 1 and a half years ago and used it with little success until quite recently. Within the last 6 to 8 months to be more exact. I am certain they have practiced NLP first and perhaps moved onto other areas of hypnotism.

[Merlin]

If you read my FAQ, I don't understand how you equate hypnosis induction with pattern-interrupts.

The best defence is avoidance of such a person.

[MrOmega]

If you read my FAQ, I don't understand how you equate hypnosis induction with pattern-interrupts.

The best defence is avoidance of such a person.

I agree... I have actually cut off all contact with one of the two people and the second person has been kind enough to acknowledge and accept this.

I equate pattern interrupts being very similar to hypnosis because from my understanding a pattern interrupt is catching the mind in a susceptible and open state. While hypnosis seems to be the art of bringing someone to an open and susceptible state. To me they seem like to different approaches to get at the same thing.

Honestly... I feel NLP is completely destructive and dangerous. While I do get this impression that hypnosis can be but is treated with much more respect and responsibility. Are these correct generalizations?

[Don]

Honestly... I feel NLP is completely destructive and dangerous. While I do get this impression that hypnosis can be but is treated with much more respect and responsibility. Are these correct generalizations?

No. Among educated people it is completely wrong.

[Merlin]

It's like saying fish=guppies.
guppies are but a part of fish.
just as pattern interrupts may induce hyypnosis, or may not.
all hypnosis is not pattern interrupts

NLP is like a scalpel. a good tool. But not for children to run with.

[MrOmega]

It's like saying fish=guppies.
guppies are but a part of fish.
just as pattern interrupts may induce hyypnosis, or may not.
all hypnosis is not pattern interrupts

NLP is like a scalpel. a good tool. But not for children to run with.


That is quite frankly the scariest thing I've heard yet. Completely appreciated but scary none-the-less.

Out of curiosity... how long would it take for a guppy to grown up into a fish? I didn't mean to imply that NLP in itself was destructive and you have made think clearer about the issue of a rookie NLP'er having access to a toolset which could be considered more lethal and certainly more violent.

I do admit seeing some "hyptonists" using pattern interrupts to induce rapid induction. Pulling a hand away to confuse and subdue. This tactic could then be categorized as NLP could it not?... even though the person is considered a Hypnotist.

The very nature of rapid induction whether it belong to the school of Hypnotism or NLP is what I refer to as dangerous. The very nature of quickly subduing someone is in sharp contrast to the relaxing trance subduction techniques used by hypnotherapies. Rapid induction is quick, perhaps less thought out... and potentially more violent to a persons psyche.

This violent type of induction is what worries me. How long do the effects of such a subduction last. Are they any different from the effects of a calmer trance induction? Or is it entirely dependent on the skill level of the abductor...

How long does it take for guppy to grow into a fish?

[Merlin]

That is quite frankly the scariest thing I've heard yet. Completely appreciated but scary none-the-less.

Out of curiosity... how long would it take for a guppy to grown up into a fish? I didn't mean to imply that NLP in itself was destructive and you have made think clearer about the issue of a rookie NLP'er having access to a toolset which could be considered more lethal and certainly more violent.

I do admit seeing some "hyptonists" using pattern interrupts to induce rapid induction. Pulling a hand away to confuse and subdue. This tactic could then be categorized as NLP could it not?... even though the person is considered a Hypnotist.

The very nature of rapid induction whether it belong to the school of Hypnotism or NLP is what I refer to as dangerous. The very nature of quickly subduing someone is in sharp contrast to the relaxing trance subduction techniques used by hypnotherapies. Rapid induction is quick, perhaps less thought out... and potentially more violent to a persons psyche.

This violent type of induction is what worries me. How long do the effects of such a subduction last. Are they any different from the effects of a calmer trance induction? Or is it entirely dependent on the skill level of the abductor...

How long does it take for guppy to grow into a fish?

A guppy will never be a trout.
No matter how long you wait.

If a NLPer plays basball, is it NLP or baseball?
If a NLPer does hypnosis, is it NLP or hypnosis?

If I hypnotise you in 5 seconds is it not hypnosis? Is it violent because it is quick?
Do not confuse style with intent or effect.

[Don]

Say, Mr. O., what are you doing this weekend?
Nothing special.
Great! I'm moving, so be here at 8:00 am to help.


That could be considered NLP.
Why?
Take a training. You'll find out.

[MrOmega]

A guppy will never be a trout.
No matter how long you wait.

If a NLPer plays basball, is it NLP or baseball?
If a NLPer does hypnosis, is it NLP or hypnosis?

If I hypnotise you in 5 seconds is it not hypnosis? Is it violent because it is quick?
Do not confuse style with intent.

I do understand. My current assumptions on NLP have come primarily from watching business seminars on youtube. And based on the skill level of some business people I do not currently hold it in the highest regard. It is my current mis-understanding as to the power of the toolset. I am primarily concerned about putting an ak-47 into the hands of high school football coach.

I hope for the love of everything I value that this is not the case and it is the natural skill level of the inductor which is the primary factor when deciding if one is a fish or a trout.

It worries me that a rapid induction may be an easy tool to fire. Maybe it's the acquisition of the tool that matters. All ak-47's being equal?

This is a scary concept as well. This means that this particular statistic might be the beginning of something new...

http://www.google.com/trends?q=neuro+linguistic+programming

What is it with Ireland?

http://www.google.com/trends?q=hypnosis

[MrOmega]

Take a training. You'll find out.

What do you think of this... it's in my area...

[Don]

We do not advertise in these forums or allow URLs of websites from commercial organizations.

It's not the goal of these forums to publicize one teaching organization over another. However, since the organization you listed has been around for numerous years, it seems like they may be doing a decent job.

[AnthonyRoyce]

Mr Omega how are you feeling?

Im feeling really good and im thinking really positive thoughts.
We are what we think.
I want you to just think the word POSITIVE......

I need you to assist me first and would be really happy if you could help me.

Please spell out to me very clearly what your goal is.

BTW I am Irish.