Exercise

[Shuriken]

I have been unable to find anything on this subject other than snippets about people wanting to use hypnosis to increase muscle mass while sitting there. I don't particularly believe that would be beneficial as injury results if muscles are not coordinated and conditioned for use. This is why I stay away from straight weight lifting and only use small amounts of freeweights, and stick to bodyweight and self resistance exercises otherwise.

Anyway, does anyone know of any sort of documentation or have any experiences that you could share concerning the use of hypnosis to increase the effectiveness of exercises in the areas of recovery time, endurance, increasing density and reducing size, learning cooperative coordination specifically, with any other information being great too.

The other thing I am interested in is the possibility of going back over motions performed while not doing those motions, in hypnosis, to actually reinforce muscle memory and coordination.

I am not interested in wether or not it can be done, I believe it can be regardless of wether or not it has been done previously. I am interested in new ideas to try, tips, and pitfalls to avoid.

Thank you for any help.

[Merlin]

>I don't particularly believe that would be beneficial as injury results if muscles are not coordinated and conditioned for use.

Interesting belief.

[Shuriken]

>I don't particularly believe that would be beneficial as injury results if muscles are not coordinated and conditioned for use.

Interesting belief.
I've seen it happen. A friend of mine who concentrates on isolating muscles and working them for size attempted to follow me up a 10 foot wall, across a pipe, and down a fifteen foot drop. He strained several muscles in his arms, and according to the doctor, did so because his muscles were not 'synchronized' for the sort of running and jumping that we were doing.

[Don]

When I was a child, I was hospitalized with "gastritis." This meant an "inflamation of the digestive system." They didn't know what caused it. The only treatment was to leave it alone and give me IVs. They really didn't know what was going on, but they had a lovely name for it.

Perhaps you could find some medical reference which describes muscles strained by not being "synchronized" for their task? Or may it was just a doctor trying to give a name to something he or she didn't understand?

[Simple Guy]

Shuriken,

You wrote: "The other thing I am interested in is the possibility of going back over motions performed while not doing those motions, in hypnosis, to actually reinforce muscle memory and coordination.

I am not interested in wether or not it can be done, I believe it can be regardless of wether or not it has been done previously. I am interested in new ideas to try, tips, and pitfalls to avoid."

There may be a parallel to this with electrical stim that is used to strengthen
muscles. I have no idea of any downsides, risks, dangers that could,
theoretically, result from attempting to use hypnosis for the purpose of
reinforcing muscle memory and coordination in such a manner. Nice thinking,
though, outside of the box. :)

[Unregistered]

I have been unable to find anything on this subject other than snippets about people wanting to use hypnosis to increase muscle mass while sitting there. I don't particularly believe that would be beneficial as injury results if muscles are not coordinated and conditioned for use. This is why I stay away from straight weight lifting and only use small amounts of freeweights, and stick to bodyweight and self resistance exercises otherwise.

Anyway, does anyone know of any sort of documentation or have any experiences that you could share concerning the use of hypnosis to increase the effectiveness of exercises in the areas of recovery time, endurance, increasing density and reducing size, learning cooperative coordination specifically, with any other information being great too.

The other thing I am interested in is the possibility of going back over motions performed while not doing those motions, in hypnosis, to actually reinforce muscle memory and coordination.

I am not interested in wether or not it can be done, I believe it can be regardless of wether or not it has been done previously. I am interested in new ideas to try, tips, and pitfalls to avoid.

Thank you for any help.


Take those irons and lift them every day and after 3 months come back and post. And then you will thank me.

[Terry (existing)]

The only use of hypnosis for muscle building for me, is that of toning muscles during recovery from an accident, surgery or perhaps during a period of weight loss. Now I did say toning, not muscle mass, so if that is all you are interested in, can't offer any advice based on experience, but my gut feeling is, yes it is possible, since I remember trying a method during my youth that involved using one muscle against another instead of lifting weights, and it worked just fine....Of course muscle mass has nothing to do with strength, since many body builders are quite weak when it comes to using those massive muscles instead of just showing them (G)...

[Simple Guy]

Guest,

In another thread Shuriken has spoken of his desire to join the Marines and
the pre-training that he is doing in a desire to go into the military, at his
best. I imagine that he is already lifting the irons and that this inquiry reflects
his hope to add benefit to the work he is already doing.

[kosmic]

Shuriken,

lifting heavy weights will make your muscles bigger. i agree with you that only lifting heavy weights will give you next to worthless muscles if you want to do anything besides lift a heavy weight slowly (i think a better explanation for your friend's injuries would be overstraining his muscles due to making different kinds of contractions than they were accostomed to). however, lifting heavy in and of itself is not bad for you. your friend would have hurt himself if he had never lifted heavy before anyways. since your goal seems to be to be all around athletic, but with big muscles, perhaps you should keep doing the same routine with heavy lifting (1-3 times a week) slowly added in.

also, don't forget the law of conservation of energy: energy is never destroyed. the more energy thats in your body (food, sleep) the bigger you'll get. The biggest part to "getting big" is eating a lot.

visualization of a particular exercise you are trying to improve at (ie shooting a basketball) is almost as good as actually doing it. see out of your own eyes whenever doing this. if you're in hypnosis with your visualizations guided by a hypnotist/audio tape (audio tape of your own voice is the best), you will improve even faster.

beliefs are a large factor in how your body reacts to training (i.e. confidence and expectation of improvement and achievement of goals). believe you are going to recover faster and you certainly can. hypnosis can change beliefs.

[Merlin]

*IF* there is a causal link, then I would strongly encourage you to go have your testicles surgically removed since testosterone is known to cause muscle growth without exersize.

[skip]

There is a big difference between fast twitch muscle fibers and slow twitch.

You want to do exercises that both increase and work out the type fibers you desire for your intended purpose.

Your friend 'sounds' like he had plenty of slow twitch fibers, but maybe not enough fast twitch for what he wanted to do.

Yoga (some forms), and ballet, are excellent for developing strength, flexability, AND smooth coordinated movement.

[Shuriken]

Perhaps you could find some medical reference which describes muscles strained by not being "synchronized" for their task? Or may it was just a doctor trying to give a name to something he or she didn't understand
All he told me was that the doctor said he didn't ahve enough activity outside of weightlifting. I've read more than enough and seen more than enough to know that weightlifting alone isn't too useful. The doctor also told him to tell me that I am a nutcase whose knees are going to explode in a few years.

Shuriken,
There may be a parallel to this with electrical stim that is used to strengthen
muscles. I have no idea of any downsides, risks, dangers that could,
theoretically, result from attempting to use hypnosis for the purpose of
reinforcing muscle memory and coordination in such a manner. Nice thinking,
though, outside of the box. :)
The electrical stim things are overrated. I bought one, and it tore my abs apart, but I already had strong abs. My brother hardly felt anything. I think it would be nice for keeping it toned, but not making it useful. Just my opinion. And thank you. I actually don't think outside of the box, I think inside of a tetrakis hexahedron. ;)

Take those irons and lift them every day and after 3 months come back and post. And then you will thank me.
Right now I lift two days a week. 40 or so bicep curls with 20 pound weights, 'lawnmowers', a cool little thing I stumbled across that makes my triceps cry, and a few other things. I do use a few leg machines.

Now I did say toning, not muscle mass, so if that is all you are interested in, can't offer any advice based on experience, but my gut feeling is, yes it is possible, since I remember trying a method during my youth that involved using one muscle against another instead of lifting weights, and it worked just fine.
Although I suppose I am technically interested in mass, a better word would be 'density'. I do 'self-resistance' exercises as well, imitating some motions of weights. I find it to be really difficult, so do it more than weightlifting.

...Of course muscle mass has nothing to do with strength, since many body builders are quite weak when it comes to using those massive muscles instead of just showing them (G)...
Too true.

Guest,

In another thread Shuriken has spoken of his desire to join the Marines and
the pre-training that he is doing in a desire to go into the military, at his
best. I imagine that he is already lifting the irons and that this inquiry reflects
his hope to add benefit to the work he is already doing.
In fact I am. While it is only a small amount, I feel it is the best amount, for my aims. I do mainly 20 variations of pushups (can't manage a full handstand pushup yet), bodyweight squats, A variety of core exercises, pull ups when I have access to a bar (haven't gotten all the materials to build my own yet, and have trouble doing all the variations on doors and such), lots of stretching, and then put it to use in the practice of 'parkour' which amounts to running through the city and jumping over, under, down, up, and through things.

I also perform balance training, proprioception and kinesthetic awareness training, and I'm using mostly jump roping until I can work running into my day more effectively.

I am getting into ridiculous shape, but I want to get into more functional shape faster. I want to have less exercise be more effective so that I can perform a wider range to work my whole body.

since your goal seems to be to be all around athletic, but with big muscles, perhaps you should keep doing the same routine with heavy lifting (1-3 times a week) slowly added in.
Muscle size isn't actually a priority, it isn't even on the list, actually. I will try doing some heavier lifting though. I am taking weight training next semester at school so that I can run in the afternoon instead of doing exercises, which I will get done mostly during school.

also, don't forget the law of conservation of energy: energy is never destroyed. the more energy thats in your body (food, sleep) the bigger you'll get. The biggest part to "getting big" is eating a lot.
Bed at 8:30, up at 5:00, five meals a day with mostly whole foods. I'll remember your advice though.

visualization of a particular exercise you are trying to improve at (ie shooting a basketball) is almost as good as actually doing it. see out of your own eyes whenever doing this. if you're in hypnosis with your visualizations guided by a hypnotist/audio tape (audio tape of your own voice is the best), you will improve even faster.
Exactly what I was thinking of. Just wondering if there was documentation of success. I am taking a self-hypnosis class in hopes of being, as Merlin says, 'led in'. Probably not as effective as a personal session, but my needs are not truly specific, and will inevitable change.

beliefs are a large factor in how your body reacts to training (i.e. confidence and expectation of improvement and achievement of goals). believe you are going to recover faster and you certainly can. hypnosis can change beliefs.
I'm working very hard to change my mindset. I still have residual teen angst from when I hated everything (now, I only dislike most things;)). I hope to accelerate that process with hypnosis.

*IF* there is a causal link, then I would strongly encourage you to go have your testicles surgically removed since testosterone is known to cause muscle growth without exersize.
While that would certainly help me avoid all (well, most) of the trashy girls at school, I doubt that the Marines would take me.

There is a big difference between fast twitch muscle fibers and slow twitch.

You want to do exercises that both increase and work out the type fibers you desire for your intended purpose.

Your friend 'sounds' like he had plenty of slow twitch fibers, but maybe not enough fast twitch for what he wanted to do.

Yoga (some forms), and ballet, are excellent for developing strength, flexability, AND smooth coordinated movement.
I've been meaning to look into Yoga. Thank you very much for reminding me.

Thank you everyone!

[kosmic]

Shuriken,

if you want to become really fast, strong, powerful, flexible with a lot of endurance... then do 400m sprint training. as long as you can find a decent coach you'll find it a lot harder than any kind of strength training you're doing. a good track coach will also have you do plyometrics (exercising via jumping) especially during the offseason. plyos are a GREAT exercise and its possible you've never tried them before.

work on having a positive attitude the whole day and your body will improve a lot faster. stress and negative emotions are your worst enemy. if not track, find something to compete in and you'll find yourself having a lot of fun and getting a lot fitter.