Hypnosis defense

[MrOmega]

I am very concerned that my colleagues are hypnotizing me for their benefit... I have caught one of them chanting,

"You want to do a good job"
"You want to do good work"

near the side of me while I seemingly raised my head and became aware of what was happening around me. Now I realize that sounds funny to some and those who I have mentioned this to have laughed. But I am deeply concerned that I have been screwed out of the last year of my life.

The last meeting I lost concentration towards the conversation and when I gained focus I was being told things that were too good to be true and things which if brought up in what I would consider normal conversation I would consider fairly outrageous... to top it off... when I paid attention to what they were saying they slightly changed the meaning behind what they said and did a two handed finger snap...

I am very concerned for my welfare and a great deal of my investments. What can I do to protect myself from being hypnotized.

Thank you for your time.

[MrOmega]

I have just read merlin's f.a.q.s... Thank you for that introduction.

My colleagues have obviously ben removing the critical judgement filter. I find it virtually impossible to get the money which I have worked very hard for. I have been promised the world and lost thousands in the process. I have also relapsed into drug and alcohol addiction after conquering that long ago in my life. I feel they know things about me which they should not.

Two years ago one of my colleagues mentioned the term neuro linguistic programming. At the time I looked it up and it appeared to be nothing more than a positivity movement. Now I am convinced otherwise.

What can I do to ensure I maintain the critical judgement layer and avoid trance like states where I would be susceptible to suggestion. Is simply stating this realization in the forum enough or is there more which I can do to help myself.

[Henrik]

Hi.


My colleagues have obviously ben removing the critical judgement filter.


Why are you so sure about that? After reading your two posts it sounds unlikely to me.


I find it virtually impossible to get the money which I have worked very hard for. I have been promised the world and lost thousands in the process. I have also relapsed into drug and alcohol addiction after conquering that long ago in my life. I feel they know things about me which they should not.


We often depend on a little help from others, don't we? A mechanic will help us with the car, a dentist with an aching tooth. Maybe you should spoil yourself and find someone who can help you? You know, just a little bit.


What can I do to ensure I maintain the critical judgement layer and avoid trance like states where I would be susceptible to suggestion.


IMO you're always in a trance MrOmega, and you are always susceptible to suggestion. Suggestions that match with your current "knowledge" and ideas about yourself and your world can strengthen the (comfortable and uncomfortable) beliefs you already hold. Other suggestions you will more likely dismiss. In a hypnotic trance you can adopt new/contradicting/more useful suggestions, the suggestions match. You can learn to use any suggestion resourcefully.


Is simply stating this realization in the forum enough...


Probably not. What do you think?


...or is there more which I can do to help myself.


Yes.

Henrik

[MrOmega]

Why are you so sure about that? After reading your two posts it sounds unlikely to me.

I'm not entirely sure. I just understand that the people I deal with are very socially adept people. I have never been able to set my limits with them accordingly. They have always suggested that things be done a certain way and I have followed their lead often times to my own detriment.

They have spent the last two years living wealthy while I have remained below the poverty line. A written promise of partnership was dissolved over time. They put roadblocks up to thwart my progress at every step.

These are very generalized comments. But I have specifically caught them trying to hypnotize me. They have succeeded as far as I am concerned. They have wreaked havoc in my life.

If it is not removing the Critical Thinking Judgement layer then it something else. My ability to rationalize with them is non-existant. They refuse to see the cold hard facts as presented to them.

Every project which was taken under their direction has either failed miserably, cost me days of my life with little reward while they live well off.

Every project I have undertaken without their knowledge assistance or direction has flourished...

[Don]

Mr. Omega...

In one of my trainings I learned that a great paradigm under which we can choose to live our lives can be shown with the formula:
C>E

We can either be the E or the C.

That is, we can be the C and choose to be "at cause" and acknowledge that we are responsible for everything in our lives.

Alternatively, we can be the E and choose to be "at effect." This means that rather than have control of our lives, we choose to let other people and other things control us. Typically, this is represented by the statement, "I can't do X because of Y." Worked out examples could be:
I don't have enough money because I had a poor education, I was born poor, my parents abused me, I have a different skin color, etc.
I don't have a spouse because I'm too skinny, too far, too tall, too old, too short, don't have enough hair, etc.
I'm not successful because everyone is against me.

In fact, any of these reasons may be 100% valid.

So what are you going to do about it?

There's an old saying (well, relatively old): "Get over it!"

Let's assume that these other people are doing what you say. You know it. So what are you going to do about it? You know what they're going to do. How have you planned to deal with it? My guess is that you haven't planned at all. Instead, you come up with reasons (another name for such reasons is "excuses") for your failure.

So my advice is stop blaming others for your failures. Plan better. If you know what they're going to do, plan better.

Someone was "chanting": "You want to do a good job." Yes, somehow, you think that's bad? What's wrong with encouraging someone to do a good job?

You wrote, "Every project which was taken under their direction has either failed miserably, cost me days of my life with little reward..." Stop blaming other people. If you're so good, point out why they're wrong. Now, it's dangerous in a workplace to do this without having extensive documentation and support for your position. That means you have to plan better. That means you have to be at cause instead of at effect. That means instead of blaming others for your failures you have to take responsibility for your actions.

I'll bet you're thinking, "But I do take responsibility for my actions and don't blame others." And yet, you wrote that you get, "little reward while they live well off." That's basically "sour grapes." That's being unhappy with your results and blaming others.

There's a saying that in most companies a woman employee has to work twice as hard and do twice the job to get half the money. In many cases, that's probably true. My suggestion would be to work four times as hard and do four times the job or get work elsewhere.

Similarly, you know what's going on, so plan better and take responsibility. How would you function differently if you weren't "hypnotized" by them (assuming that's true). Well, do that now!

This is NOT about them. It's about YOU and your mindset that they are the cause of your problems. As long as "they" are the cause, you will never find the answer because you can only help yourself.

What would you do if you weren't "hypnotized?"

Now just do it.

[Poodle]

You do seem to have a problem, don't you. Now since we are in and out of trance all day long and you don't want anyone to suggest anything positive while you happen to be in that state for a second, wear ear plugs. You could also go to a really qualified certified hypnotist/hypnotherapist and ask for a hypnotic seal. They're rare but it would mean that no one will ever be able to hypnotize you again except that one single little ole person. A seal can be broken but it ain't easy.

Too bad you lost all that money as you could have taken a fun hypnosis and NLP course. If you had learned NLP, you would have known how to have "them" acknowledge your facts.

And, my goodness, drugs and alcohol? That costs major money. Where are you getting it?

[MrOmega]

Don't get me wrong... I have am not blaming anyone for my successes or failures...

I am very concerned that someone who practices NLP and hypnosis as a means to gain profit and power has used it to push me down. You must understand my first step was to work from home to avoid all trance induced like states due to long periods of focused work. Working for hours on production leaves you susceptible and I give it my all... the next step was to separate business. Things have been better ever since.

In the past, I have heard one of them claim that my productivity was due to NLP... which I know to be false... I have for my entire life have had the strong work ethic I do...

But... for someone to believe that they are the driving force to my productivity also leads me to believe that they could believe they would be responsible for my downfalls...

I am highly concerned that NLP may have influenced me... I am concerned primarily about recognizing someones effort to use the method on me without them being the wiser while defending myself from any sort of influence...

I know I have taken the correct measures to keep my distance and focus in tact and less susceptible to them. Now I need to read minds...

I have read in this forum that there are patterns and banters and what-not which are obviously industry tactics...

How can I defend myself from NLP and hypnosis... whether the influence is for the good or for the bad....

[MrOmega]

You could also go to a really qualified certified hypnotist/hypnotherapist and ask for a hypnotic seal. They're rare but it would mean that no one will ever be able to hypnotize you again except that one single little ole person. A seal can be broken but it ain't easy.

I am very interested in taking control of my life in every aspect. I feel that a hypnotic seal would go against my strong self control beliefs.

Substances are cheap to abuse... Living life is certainly more expensive in most circumstances than surrendering to a substance. Unless your tripping through the daisies on Crown land of course...

I apologize for my sharp accusations... I am a little distraught that I have been ignorant to this since I first realized what was going on months ago... I am back on track where I was when I first realized this...

If anyone could point me to something specifically geared to strengthening yourself from hypnosis and NLP I would be greatfull... I really feel the need to play rather than lock my self up with a hypnotic seal.

[Don]

... I have am not blaming anyone for my successes or failures...

... Now I need to read minds...

How can I defend myself from NLP and hypnosis... whether the influence is for the good or for the bad....

1) From your posts, whether you accept it or not, you are blaming others. You said you were successful when they weren't involved, but unsuccessful where they were involved. Like it or not, that's blaming others for your failures.

2) No, you don't need to read minds. If you want to read minds, I would suggest the books Body Language by Julius Fast (and similar books) and Talking between the Lines by Julius & Barbara Fast and similar books.

3) The best way to "defend" yourself would be to take some workshops on hypnosis and NLP. The more you know, the more you are in control of your life.

"Life doesn't end when you stop breathing. It ends when you stop learning."
—Donald Michael Kraig

[Terry]

Ah yes, carefull reading of your post discloses to me that it is not hypnosis that is to blame, but witchcraft. You see, no hypnotist chants, it's against the rules to do so lest others recognise what you are doing. We are a secret society, while witches NEED to chant to cast their spells.....
You can search for a board dealing with witchcraft , or you can try some of the old wives tales I leaned as a child, like putting a penny in your right shoe to ward off evil spirits. or knocking on wood before entering a room. Me, I would suggest looking up witches and asking them. I never did put much stock in old wives tales except what my old wife tells me....

[MrOmega]

Ah yes, carefull reading of your post discloses to me that it is not hypnosis that is to blame, but witchcraft. You see, no hypnotist chants, it's against the rules to do so lest others recognise what you are doing. We are a secret society, while witches NEED to chant to cast their spells.....
You can search for a board dealing with witchcraft , or you can try some of the old wives tales I leaned as a child, like putting a penny in your right shoe to ward off evil spirits. or knocking on wood before entering a room. Me, I would suggest looking up witches and asking them. I never did put much stock in old wives tales except what my old wife tells me....

You are scientific thinkers and I appreciate your ability to laugh at yourself... I've got youtube... but I would prefer to have a conversation with some people regarding the subject.

I have been manipulated... it has driven me to relapse into drug and alcohol addiction and I won't even begin to tell you the other problems it caused.

It is certainly not my colleagues which are to blame but perhaps ourselves to blame for failing to communicate...

[MrOmega]

3) The best way to "defend" yourself would be to take some workshops on hypnosis and NLP. The more you know, the more you are in control of your life.

I think I'll start with recognizing all the popular patterns in use and perhaps watching for them... I mean... When I was a club promoter I would watch others drug other people and literally cripple them for a good laugh...

I think this NLP is dangerous... again... if anyone can provide me with a means to defend myself... I am learning... but specifically... if there are techniques aimed towards defending yourself from manipulation I would appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction...

[pmdigi]

I am very concerned that my colleagues are hypnotizing me for their benefit... I have caught one of them chanting,

"You want to do a good job"
"You want to do good work"

near the side of me while I seemingly raised my head and became aware of what was happening around me. Now I realize that sounds funny to some and those who I have mentioned this to have laughed. But I am deeply concerned that I have been screwed out of the last year of my life.

The last meeting I lost concentration towards the conversation and when I gained focus I was being told things that were too good to be true and things which if brought up in what I would consider normal conversation I would consider fairly outrageous... to top it off... when I paid attention to what they were saying they slightly changed the meaning behind what they said and did a two handed finger snap...

I am very concerned for my welfare and a great deal of my investments. What can I do to protect myself from being hypnotized.

Thank you for your time.
just a self-help book/audiotape recommendation - "Mental Shielding" by Driscoll - can be found on Amazon

[Don]

I have been manipulated... it has driven me to relapse into drug and alcohol addiction and I won't even begin to tell you the other problems it caused.

You keep blaming others for your problems. The responsibility is yours. The beginning step to breaking what you see as addictions is to accept responsibility for your actions rather than blame others.

[Don]

if there are techniques aimed towards defending yourself from manipulation I would appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction...

If you wanted to defend yourself from someone who knew Karate, you'd probably learn Karate or another martial art.

If someone was better in a debate than you, the best way to defend yourself and stop losing debates would be to learn how to be a better debater.

If someone was attacking your computer with worms and viruses, the best thing to do is to learn about such attacks since they are updated faster than antiviral software, and by knowing about them you can prevent them.

I already pointed you in the right direction. I told you, take some workshops in hypnosis and NLP.

I'm sorry you don't like the answer. It's the correct one.

I have to admit, however, that I find your response fascinating. Perhaps you could help me. You asked a question and I gave you a valid and correct answer. Yet, it seems like you don't like the answer and are refusing to have anything to do with it.

It would seem to me, then, that you have some idea as to what the answer should be. What do you think that answer is, and if you know it, why are you asking? Do you just want confirmation of your belief?

[Connie]

Or are you here (again) to make up stories, cast aspersions on what we do, and purposefully stir up antagonisms? Sorry, I don't care enough to be antagonized, though I am pleased others have pointed out your fallacies.

[MrOmega]

I already pointed you in the right direction. I told you, take some workshops in hypnosis and NLP.

I'm sorry you don't like the answer. It's the correct one.

I have to admit, however, that I find your response fascinating. Perhaps you could help me. You asked a question and I gave you a valid and correct answer. Yet, it seems like you don't like the answer and are refusing to have anything to do with it.

It would seem to me, then, that you have some idea as to what the answer should be. What do you think that answer is, and if you know it, why are you asking? Do you just want confirmation of your belief?

Hello Don,

With all respect. Please understand my trust level is at an absolute low. I will readily throw out any sentence I think will illicit one response or the next in hopes that I can find deeper meaning.

I'm a self taught paranoid schizophrenic.

Maybe I didn't think I received enough of an answer. Your advise and the references by countless others may have me taking a trip to the book store this weekend. As for seminars... they are something to watch for... I will have to see when one comes around... right now I am eager to learn more... and I'm interested in finding effective resources to learn from.

I hope my answer is one you like.

[MrOmega]

Or are you here (again) to make up stories, cast aspersions on what we do, and purposefully stir up antagonisms? Sorry, I don't care enough to be antagonized, though I am pleased others have pointed out your fallacies.

Certainly not Connie, This is my first trip here. I am not a lurker or one of those repeat style forum intruders. My profile link is added now if that helps. I can be an aggressive person when desperate and I apologize for putting you on the defensive.

I am incredibly impressed with information available here and I look forward to learning how to mesh well with your community while respecting fully that it is yours.

It may have been my goal to stir things up to gain attention. Certainly not to offend for the sake of offending. Simply to learn more for my own well being.

I am a walking fallacy. There is nothing you could do which would make me more happy than to point out where I go wrong. I have no pride at steak in any of the topics in this forum.

[Don]

As for seminars... they are something to watch for... I will have to see when one comes around... right now I am eager to learn more... and I'm interested in finding effective resources to learn from.

I hope my answer is one you like.


Your answer is what it is. I neither dislike nor like it, But I do acknowledge it.

For example, before I wrote about whether you are at cause or at effect.

Where do you think you are if you "watch for" one that "comes around?"

"Things change. Always do. You'll get your chance! Important thing is, when it comes, you've got to grab with both hands, and hold on tight!"
--Otis in The Last Starfighter


So Mr. O, does your quote sound like you're grabbing with both hands or just waiting for something to drop into them like cosmic chestnuts???

"Ya snooze, ya lose," Mr. O. Your choice: success or failure. If you want success, you gotta go out and get it. "You've got to grab with both hands." If you want failure you can just wait and "watch for" it. I guarantee it will "come around."

[Terry]

Oh dear mr O it is time for you to go!!!
Reading your posts, one can come to several different conclusions, some less kind than others. :rolleyes: You seem to be reasonably well educated, yet sadly lacking in common sense... Not surprising I suppose since "common" sense is not really common.... You come here to argue...[and] have no knowledge in this area to back up what you think and say.... What do you think that makes you?
... I come from knowledge, while you make your charges in a forcefull manner while knowing nothing worth knowing about the subject under discussion....
Anyway I find it boring to... so I will put you on my ignore button to protect me from further bordom. Have a nice day......

[MrOmega]

Thanks terry... great information...

[MrOmega]

just a self-help book/audiotape recommendation - "Mental Shielding" by Driscoll - can be found on Amazon

Yes I found it listed at close to 100.00 dollars... I might go the cheap route and get the predecessor for $20...

I did however just finish my run through of a few tony Robbins speakings... I gather that NLP... Hypnosis and Psychology are all basically the same thing...

The study of the human condition...

I hear alot of people slam these techniques and to tell you the truth I have been absolutely astonished with some of the materials I have come across but completely let down by others...

I imagine that perhaps NLP and hypnosis are really out in their own field while self help is considered more Psychology??

[MrOmega]

Your answer is what it is. I neither dislike nor like it, But I do acknowledge it.


Well if we pretended for a minute that perhaps I am really blaming others and looking too deep into things perhaps even reaching to blame nlp and hypnosis as the mechanism to justify my colleagues being at fault then I guess I am not really taking responsibility for my own actions...

I am just really really worried about shrugging the possibility off and returning to my happy ignorant world. I hope you understand that. I've come across some fairly scary material and I am absolutely certain that one of the two parties who would have "induced" me would have done it recklessly and to my detriment...

Are you telling me that if I just ignore it I will be better? I still have to deal with this person in the future... I am really interested in toughening myself up... if your saying that means I should be ignorant to the possibility of NLP and Hypnosis being a possible influence in my life then I almost want to think there really is a secret society of witches and warlocks... kidding...

but I would rather walk away with knowledge and empowerment rather than dismissing my feelings...

[pmdigi]

I found a copy with the training cassette at abebooks for $19.00 plus $3.85 shipping.

[MrOmega]

I found a copy with the training cassette at abebooks for $19.00 plus $3.85 shipping.

It's a booklet with training cassette... am I missing out if I go that route and skip the actual book?

[MrOmega]

got the book... you sold me... thanks...

[Don]

No, I'm not dismissing your feelings. Your feelings are real. Your beliefs are real.

But merely because someone has feelings about something and beliefs about it does not make it objectively real. If someone really believes there are little green men living on Mars that does not make it so. The belief may be real, but the objective reality is not proven.

I don't know how many more times I can tell you that the way to knowledge and empowerment is to take some workshops in hypnosis and NLP. Books will tell you about it. Workshops will show you how it's done and give you experience.

You can read all the books you want about sex, but that doesn't make one an expert in sex. Experience combined with information is what does it. The same is true with hypnosis and NLP.

[Don]

I gather that NLP... Hypnosis and Psychology are all basically the same thing...

The study of the human condition...


Yes, in the same way dogs and cats are basically the same thing, mammalian quadrupeds.

[MrOmega]

Yes, in the same way dogs and cats are basically the same thing, mammalian quadrupeds.

Yes... what kind of answer did I expect to receive from a generalization like that...

Perhaps I should know the answer I'm looking for before I ask the question?

What type of question could I have asked to illicit a better response?

[skip]

Don,

He wouldnt pass the screening for most trainings.

His constant dissembling, while however unlikely, might be of service to himself, would absorb an undue amount of time, and be unfair to the balance of the students.

The public schools may spend an inordinate amount of time on the lowest common denominator but reputable trainers wont cheat their other students like that.

cheers,

skip

[Don]

Or perhaps you should have asked a question such as "What are the similarities and differences between Hypnosis, NLP and psychology?" rather than stating the misinformation that you"...gather that NLP... Hypnosis and Psychology are all basically the same thing...The study of the human condition..." as if it were a fact.

[MrOmega]

Or perhaps you should have asked a question such as "What are the similarities and differences between Hypnosis, NLP and psychology?" rather than stating the misinformation that you"...gather that NLP... Hypnosis and Psychology are all basically the same thing...The study of the human condition..." as if it were a fact.

Yes... I do understand your point. It is rather difficult for me to ask effective questions since I am usually the one giving answers. This is a new experience for me as far as a forum is concerned.

"I gather" is my Yankee-Canadiana slang term for...

"From what I have seen while doing some light research. I invite you to attack my credibility"

I truly do not understand categories myself... It's definitely a new age where classification has failed, and given rise to the search and find phenomenon. I apologize for my generalizations. Please understand everything you give me will benefit others.

I claim nothing to be fact. But others have said in the past that I do have a sounding of authority. Perhaps I should tone it down a bit...

Without a doubt I understand that there are some highly skilled and "influential" people who have made this place their home. This place does not reek of amateurism or new age mumbo jumbo... You all have my attention.

[MrOmega]

got the book... you sold me... thanks...

I guess I should have got the casette tape version... because the book by itself is kind of lacking...