Enlightening

[Little_bee]

What would it be like if they with a peaceful sate of mind, would be able to use this state for changing things?

I believe it's possible to do so trough NLP. But this pops another quistion...would I be able to enlighten others with this purity?
and if so, how?:confused:
I like to believe just being here and inspire others by learning how to use NLP is enough..
So let us all get closer to our inner-self to get into this PEACEul state of mind. This way we'll be able to bring it on to others and make this world a better place :)

[skip]

What has been your experience bringing about this peaceful enlightened state with NLP?

cheers,

skip

[Terry]

I too am curious, but in a different way to Skip....
First I read a post that was not posted with due care and attention, if it had been the typing errors would have been corrected, and in the process, more thought given to what was being said.
Secondly, it is being suggested that NLP is an essential part of imparting peacefull thoughts? Or are you suggesting we impart it to others by virtue of our skills in this area? You don;t make that clear.
What I read, and the reason for my asking for a more in depth explanation, is that of woolly thinking, that has good intentions, but misses the boat in so many other ways. NLP is a tool not a weapon, or do you see it differently?
If so, how much NLP have you absorbed, how much training have you taken, and why concentrate on peacefull thoughts that can be obtained via meditation, or other means such as self hypnosis? First put your own house in order, then you will notice that your intent to change others is not yours by right.:)

[Little_bee]

I too am curious, but in a different way to Skip....
First I read a post that was not posted with due care and attention, if it had been the typing errors would have been corrected, and in the process, more thought given to what was being said.
Secondly, it is being suggested that NLP is an essential part of imparting peacefull thoughts? Or are you suggesting we impart it to others by virtue of our skills in this area? You don;t make that clear.
What I read, and the reason for my asking for a more in depth explanation, is that of woolly thinking, that has good intentions, but misses the boat in so many other ways. NLP is a tool not a weapon, or do you see it differently?
If so, how much NLP have you absorbed, how much training have you taken, and why concentrate on peacefull thoughts that can be obtained via meditation, or other means such as self hypnosis? First put your own house in order, then you will notice that your intent to change others is not yours by right.:)


Thank you Terry for your critical mind.
First you're right about the typing errors.:o
NLP is a tool for sure, certainly NOT a weapon.
Now, let me clarify my last post.
I believe harmony -in all kinds- is very important and that you can use NLP to get in harmony -with yourself in the first place-.

From now on my typing is not really NLP linked

When you are in harmony with yourself you have many insights. Insights in yourself and others, which could make you want to change things.
Unfortunately we can only hold a mirrow in front of others, the insight has to come from within thereselves otherwise it wouldn't be an insight at all...
And if all people would realize the importance of harmony in general, and if they took necessary steps (with or without NLP, preferable with of course;) the world would be a better place...Wouldn't it?

[Terry]

Obviously you did not get the point I was making regarding NLP being a tool and not a weapon..... A tool you use to improve your life in some way, a weapon is used on others by you, and regardless of it being intended for good purposes, it is still a weapon since you have no right to intervene in someone elses life without permission.... You may of course offer example and let them make the choice as to which road they wish to travel. For none of this do you need NLP, hence my point about woolly thinking.
Only when you are confident in yourself are you capable of setting an example, and when that time comes, you recognise that freedom to choose is important to all. You speak of a mirror, but suggest NLP which is NOT a mirror but a tool, so make up your mind please. I note you did not comment on your own skill and experience, so I am speaking based on knowledge of the mind and how to change it. Knowledge brings with it responsibility to both yourself and others....
If you wish to use NLP to improve your own life, by all means do so, but never presume that you know what is good for someone else, allow them that right of choice. God does, so would you presume to know better than HE?

[Little_bee]

You're right. No one should make a choice for someone else in any way, we can only give our opinion if asked.
And ok NLP is for improving your own life BUT with the unselfness spirit, wanting the best for everybody. Without doing it for them of course.Thats all I ment...

But always nice to meet people who think about writings like these...

[Poodle]

Nice little definition of NLP - we do teach people to improve their lives by giving them skills to USE their own minds instead of having someone use them for them. I don't know if I would use the word peaceful but I certainly would add joy and happiness from losing negative and limiting beliefs.

Our of curiosity what led up to this peacefulness of yours? The whole world could use a lot of that, huh?

Stay well,
Pood :)

[Little_bee]

Thanks pood for understanding my words, 'cause words aint always the easiest way to explain ;)
My state of peacefulness is coming from a long and confronting way actually...With myself in the first place. Coming from a "I'm not the person I used to be"- awareness going to a " how do I want to be" up to "what would it be like if..." awareness.
At that point I've received a lot of insights that really changed me.
One of the insights I like sharing is that it's no use putting extra energy in things, give it just enough.
For example in discussions, there's no use getting stressed and uptight about things..A clear mind will do more than a lot of stress right?
That's why I find the words "peaceful" mind so correct:-)

[Illuminate]

What exactly is the difference between a tool and a weapon, I am guessing that you're applying a negative connotation to the later. “Weapon” and “Tool” can have different meanings so could you please elaborate?
I personally can find NLP a weapon if I were to see it in a way that it overcomes a conflicting part of me. Also, how is a weapon "bad" if you're using it to create or manifest positive emotions for yourself...selfishly even?

[Soren K (existing)]

What would it be like if they with a peaceful sate of mind, would be able to use this state for changing things?

I believe it's possible to do so trough NLP. But this pops another quistion...would I be able to enlighten others with this purity?
and if so, how?:confused:
I like to believe just being here and inspire others by learning how to use NLP is enough..
So let us all get closer to our inner-self to get into this PEACEul state of mind. This way we'll be able to bring it on to others and make this world a better place :)

I have been spending some time recently pacing ongoing experience external, internal, conceptualised, expanded conceptions, reduced conceptions, spatial relations, temporal relations, sensory content, internal representations. Whatever arises in each moment recognised. A bit like practicing uptime trance while pacing the tendency to drift into downtime alongside it. I like doing it somehow, its very reassuring.

In 'enlightenment traditions' there is a tendency to suggest that engaging in the enlightenment practices is enough to improve the lives of others, the Buddha for example found that the whole world enlightened with him upon his awakening. However, it is perhaps relatively plain to comprehend that if you treat your own life with more awareness you will find your own relationships enriched in one form or another. To continue to identify with genuine subjectivity can make possible the realisation that not only is this-isn't in relation to the other, but also to the past and future moments 'it' entertains. Then again, reading that same sentence might do it for you too ;) (only in the same way you won't learn how to be a hypnotherapist from simply reading a book )

There is something along those lines..

To your best,
Soren

[Connie]

Illuminate, I love discussions of words and meanings, so I want to jump onto the tool/weapon bandwagon. :) I'm not Terry (but boy would I love to be, in terms of his kindness, his skills, his understanding...lots of those nominalizations) but here's my 2-centavos.

A "tool" can be used for many things, both positive and negative. We always use the example of the hammer around here. It can be used to help build a house, it can be used to smash in a skull and kill someone. The tool itself is neutral, the actions of the weilder makes the difference. A tool can become a weapon based on how it's used.

To me, the word "weapon" does connote an intent for damage and destruction. It implies force. It implies using it "against" someone. "My force to hurt you." Weapons of mass destruction. I've never heard it referred to as tools of mass destruction.

I've never considered NLP a weapon. I don't like that idea. At all!

[Illuminate]

I was just bored and wanted something to talk about; my argumentative side got the better of me in my post before this.
When I first wanted to learn hypnosis and NLP I came to it from an attitude of using it as a weapon. I wanted to get back at people for what they had done to me, maybe even control them in a sadistic manner. I realized (thank god) along the way that it wasn't "they" who were doing anything to me, but it was how I acted or my response to the situation which elicited the responses on their part.
So I do agree with you, a weapon does connotatively imply that something is being used in a negative manner. If I had never sought power in using something as a weapon then I would have possibly never seen its utility as being used as a tool to better my life and those around me. It’s like using an axe for warfare and not seeing its utilitarian aspect of cutting down trees for fire wood. I am thankful that at one time in my life I was spurred to learn more about existence through a negative intention, though that intention does not exist today it leads me to question the wrongness that we may see in someone’s present action…could it benefit them later in life to be doing things in an ill mannered way today?

[Merlin]

:) :) :) :)

[Poodle]

:) :) :) :)

Well done!! ROFL -- a "tool" of mass destruction.

Pood

[Terry]

When I was a small boy, my parents bought me a tool set for Christmas. That set contained a saw, which of course is a tool is it not". Well, I loved my parents, but the devil must have been in me, because I decided that since I had a saw, the piano stool must be to high, and I would be doing a service if I cut it down a little. Too bad I never did cut all legs equally, and I must presume that my parents saw the tool as a weapon because I never saw it again.... I guess the difference is, I decided what my parents wanted, and gave them no opportunity to discuss this first.

[Poodle]

my cousin was having her third child -- one per year. It was too much for her to take care of a new baby and a toddler so "we" took the toddler. Anyway, he was a cute little guy that just happened to find one of my father's saws outside. The child managed to cut down a small tree. He never has forgotten the deed and we all still get a good laugh out of it. Maybe there is something about instinct with little boys and saws????? :eek:

Pood