Deepening techniques

[gaz c]

Hello all,havent been here for a while, I done a hypnosis workshop course last month and and really enjoyed it. Hypnosis is amazing! Looking at doing the therapy course soon. Just looking for some advice on deepening the subjects,any preferences over others? So far i've done the set piece then the induction followed by some deepening then tested my work by arm levitation etc although on a couple occasions didnt get great results,made me wonder if they were in a deep enough trance to follow my suggestions? and help appreciated :cool:

[Merlin]

Yes, i do have preferences.
For instance, I prefer hypnosis over trance.
YMMV

[Poodle]

Please read Merlin's FAQ's -- Hypnosis: Hypnotized or NOT hypnotized. Why are you asking here instead of asking your teacher. Is your teacher not supervising your work, answering questions and making sure all went as planned?

[Don]

Hi, Gaz.

Well, it's difficult to know what you did and since we couldn't observe the non-verbal feedback from your subjects, it's impossible to know what they were experiencing. So it's kind of hard to even guess what was going on.

If hypnotized, even at a very shallow depth, they should have followed you suggestions. Possible reasons they didn't: They didn't trust you. They did not agree to go along with your suggestions. Your suggestions didn't appeal to them.

To many possibilities!

I would suggest contact your instructor and seeing what she or he has to say.

Good luck!

[gaz c]

cheers for that, I appreciate and understand its hard to comment on my experiences. I have also got advice from my tutor, I just wanted to see what sort of deepening techniques that more experienced people use and prefer to use, appologies if the question came across wrong gaz

[Connie]

I like to use a "modified Elman" induction which includes fractionation and arm drop deepening.

[Merlin]

Hi,
I don't 'deepen' hypnosis. So, I use no deepener for hypnosis. If you have hypnosis, no deepener is needed.
I might 'deepen' their relaxation, but it ain't the same thing.

Otherwise, I just give the suggestion for deepening of ...

[Terry]

YOU DO NOT CONTROL THE CLIENTS MIND.........Get that? Remember....
This means that the client decides how deep they wish to go at any time or point in the session..What you have been taught I suspect, is some old methods such as existed forty years ago when I took my first training.
Since then much has changed, and with the changes, so have we who practise. Talk to your tutor, and if you paid more than a couple of hundred dollars, you have been cheated in my opinion, because that was what it cost me way back then.

[gaz c]

Thanks for your replies,appreciate it :)

[skip]

I like fractionating because it is fun.

I also like nested loops because they are more fun.

skip

[Poodle]

I LOVE those loop-de-loops. :) :)

[Simple Guy]

I LOVE those loop-de-loops. :) :)

Me too and the "oldie" song that contained: "Here we go loop-de-loop..." :)

[azygous420]

My advice for deepening the hypnotic state would be to allow the subject to take it at their pace as to assure that they are more comfortable with the induction. When you believe they are hypnotized just take is slow with plenty of pauses to let their mind remain calm and to lessen anxiety. Some people say that there is only one level of hypnosis, but I believe that there are multiple levels (first induction, deepener, and then i go to suggestions, then to dehypnosis). I have found that keeping the pace slow and maybe even making the session longer then you normally do may help to allow the subject to enter into a substantially deeper hypnotic state. Although many people can induce the deepest levels very quick, I find that slow and steady wins the race.

Good luck,
Azy

[Don]

My advice for deepening the hypnotic state ... I have found that keeping the pace slow and maybe even making the session longer then you normally do may help to allow the subject to enter into a substantially deeper hypnotic state. Although many people can induce the deepest levels very quick, I find that slow and steady wins the race.

Good luck,
Azy


Yep. Spending a long time works...if you're not a professional working to help many clients. Being able to quickly help a client achieve a level of hypnosis where they will accept suggestions is part of a professional practice. It's not necessary if you just hypnotize people on occasion.

[Poodle]

Time to many people is money.

azy: Think lawyers, stockbrokers, Doctors. Minutes add up quickly and the less minutes I use on an induction is that many more I have to work with my client. Kewl concept, huh? I charge by the hour so I also doubt my clients want me to futz around.

[Terry]

Me too and the "oldie" song that contained: "Here we go loop-de-loop..." :) NAH you got it wrong, it goes
"Here we go loopy LOO, here we go loopy LIE, what doesn't go in the stew, will go in the cottage pie"...:D I remember that each time I decide to clean out the fridge on Saturday prior to shopping, everything is used, I abhor waste, so it's stew for most of the foodstuffs, and something else for what doesn't suit a stew, such as fruit cottage cheese etc.....
Ever tried fruit and cheeses in a jello mix? Or baked apples with cheese...?

Bye the bye, speaking of stews, anybody making an Irish stew for St Patrick's day? If so, don't forget the stout or beer, its the only way to get that hops taste. You should also add a glass of wine prior to serving as a sop for the little people who will be tasting the leftovers later, and may decide to send good luck your way if they get drunk enough....:D

[Simple Guy]

Hi Terry,

I think we are both right, though I never heard the version you
wrote about. The one I'm thinking of is a 1950's rythm & blues
song that includes the words, "all on a Saturday night." I don't
think there'll be a stew here for St. Pat's Day; beef and cabbage
would be nice though. Stouts are my favorite beer, generally.

Simple Guy, who tries not to hold St. Pat's driving the snakes
out of Ireland against him.

[Simple Guy]

Terry,

I neglected to answer two questions, sorry. Never did try fruit
and cheeses in a jello mix and never heard of combining these
items. Same for baked apple with cheese, but, yeah, that
sounds like a great combo. Are you talking a sharp type cheese?
I used to buy apples by the bushel at harvest time and would core
and bake a bunch of them; those that weren't consumed were
frozen for later use. My wife used to bake them with walnuts.
(I'm likely off line for the weekend. Take care.)

[Poodle]

My fav - green jello, cottage cheese and pineapple (canned). I think I must know at least 1,001 ways to do Jello. Mom likes to add in some Miracle Whip and cut up celery too. Maybe this is an "age" thing??? ;)

[Simple Guy]

Hi Poodle,

Probably people of more advanced age are more likely to like jello in all
forms as a carry-over from when it was very popular (in decades past).
When I was a kid, I remember once drinking jello before it set. Then I
wondered if it was going to harden internally. :eek:

[Connie]

There's always room for jello.

[Poodle]

Worry not about it "setting" in you. It just tastes yummie to drink a package of warm jello. Yes, you are correct. Terry and I are from "decades past". LOL!! Pood

[Simple Guy]

Hi Poodle,

So, you drank it too. Gelatin, in the set form, you've got to admit,
sure is a very silly food. (There's that Poodle smile.) I've cleared
the half century mark, too, and am in the same ranks of those
from "decades past."

[gaz c]

Could be a Jello thread starting up! :D