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Unregistered
11-10-2004, 08:59 PM
Is it?!
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Charlie
11-10-2004, 09:49 PM
Is anything?
j0hnny#
11-11-2004, 04:11 PM
Does the question make sense? What exactly are you trying to doubt?
Merlin
11-11-2004, 07:12 PM
Yes
Space is real
Jim Fallon
11-12-2004, 06:13 AM
Science has determined that the universe( space) is more like a thought form than anything else, and is going back to look at the statements of eastern thought that "all is an illusion"..or maya.( See Dr. Larry Dossey's new book and new article in "The Shaman's Drum" magazine)
Some think that space is the vehicle that higer intelligence uses to project it's dream of manifestation. What ever one puts their attentionm on, or focuses on in "life " is real to them. Space is no more real than Wort pulling the sword form the stone.
Neo: "I know what you are trying to do!"
Morpheus: "I am trying to free your mind Neo. But I can only show you the door. You are the One that has to walk through it. You have to let it all go Neo, Fear, doubt and disbelief. Free your mind!"
Morpheus: "There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."
The MATRIX: The movie. 1999
"Row, row, row your boat,
Gently down the stream;
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a Dream."
NEO: "This isn't real?"
MORPHEUS: "What is real? How do you define real? If you are talking about your senses, what you feel, taste, smell, or see, then all you're talking about are electrical signals interpreted by your brain."
The MATRIX: The movie. 1999
Jim Fallon
11-12-2004, 06:30 AM
The construct to The Matrix of life is pure light and the modulating factor is information/thought. As a matter of fact all light is, is vibratory thought. like what we create when we dream. Vibratory light is light vibrated by sound, manifesting as the material/biological world as it is decoded by our brains.
Each connection of Original Consciousness (Awareness) is therefore projected into an individual Holographic Virtual Reality world which the General Thought Supercomputer will coordinate with other connections of Awareness/Thought that interact with the same virtual reality movie (Creation). The ultimate Cosmic virtual reality sensory video game played by the One Mind!
This is how Merlin escaped that cave trap by Vivian. Merlin just walked out!?
He detuned from Vivian's individual Holographic Virtual Reality and tuned into the all inclusive virtual reality of the ONE MIND!!
Terry (existing)
11-15-2004, 05:59 PM
Gee, some of you sure go out of your way to make a reply to a simple question complicated........Is space real? Well if it isn't I want to know what that is which is in the middle of a dounut. I know I bought something which is cake surrounding a hole, and that hole contains space, because to takes up space. There now wasn't that simple? (G)
Neurotic1
11-16-2004, 04:22 PM
LoL
There are lots of explanations which have been produced to describe and/or quantify (sic) space. I have respect for those who try however, I think we are bound by the limitations of our brains to be able to truly understand the full nature of space... unless we don't really think from our physically limited brains of course.. scary?!
Personally I love the paradox of human logic. It cant go on for ever because human logic tells us everything (object) has to come to an end somewhere. It can't end because everything (object) has to have something or some place occupied by nothing after its end. This kind of logic reflects the limits of our experience here and our capability to truly understand the nature of what we see when we look upwards. Of course some people might profess to understand space much better than I do and they probably do. I take my finite hat off to them.:)
P tèr
11-16-2004, 11:16 PM
Hi,
a question like "is space real?" could be countered by the question "what if it is?". Because, if it is not, what would I call seeing the letters of this message? I personally have no other words for as "they are on a two dimensional space"
It seems to me that the concept of space describes my experience. Maybe that experience is in a virtual space, but that is not a point.
The next question would be "am I real?". The answer is simple: no. And observe your reaction.
So, space works in describing our experience. Also the concept "I".
Is there something outside of words? Yes, there is phantasy.
Is there something outside both? To my opinion: yes. But we can not describe it because it is outside words and phantasy. We just experience something and try to put it in words. Some people experience seeing a demon. And they are terrified. I have no idea what they exactly saw, but I think they saw something for which there are no words, nor any image.
Is space real? We can talk about it. And what we can not talk about it, nor imagine, we sometimes experience (most of the time we filter it out). If we experience it, we try with all means to find some expression for this experience. Some do not manage. They go crazy. It is even told in some tales that some people disappear (just like that!) when they experience such real.
What brought the first questioner to his question? Just philosophy? Or an experience?
P tèr
haitham
11-17-2004, 11:07 AM
Neo: "I know what you are trying to do!"
Morpheus: "I am trying to free your mind Neo. But I can only show you the door. You are the One that has to walk through it. You have to let it all go Neo, Fear, doubt and disbelief. Free your mind!"
Morpheus: "There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."
The MATRIX: The movie. 1999
"Row, row, row your boat,
Gently down the stream;
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a Dream."
NEO: "This isn't real?"
MORPHEUS: "What is real? How do you define real? If you are talking about your senses, what you feel, taste, smell, or see, then all you're talking about are electrical signals interpreted by your brain."
The MATRIX: The movie. 1999
It is wired how too many people suddenly are thinking matrixly lately, did we really like the idea or was it the green falling singals which gave pleasure to our subconsious?
P tèr
11-17-2004, 09:22 PM
Hello,
I refer to:
MORPHEUS: "What is real? How do you define real? If you are talking about your senses, what you feel, taste, smell, or see, then all you're talking about are electrical signals interpreted by your brain."
Remarkable: how do I know that my senses are based on electrical signals? Is it part of my experience? Well, if I am a member of the scientific community who is doing research on senses, I could look at oscilloscopes and interpret these dancing lights as "signals". But in the other discourses I use other types of interpretations. Whatever I use, I am in the field of symbols.
There is now an awful lot of comment on The Matrix. As far as I can see, The Matrix claims that all of reality, also virtual reality, can be symbolised. If one chooses the right symbols (thinking) one can manipulate reality. In my view there is not only imagination (virtual reality), or symbols (discourse), but something outside both: the real. The real is not the same as meditation, or mysticism. The real can not be manipulated, nor "met", it is not a highest good etc. The real is all outside this. In old Greece people did not symbolise the whole world. The gods did some remarkable acts, unexpected. They are expressions of human experience with the real. Several religions still have room for the real: Huna, Shamanism, Macomblè etc.
But The Matrix denies the real. Have your sweet dreams...
P tèr
jo jo jo
10-26-2005, 10:41 PM
space is real because something happens when i hit my keybord.... perhaps (likely) it isn't all that is going on but leters are flashing on the screen and electrical signals are fireing...
so to answer you question "is space real" i answer: yes
the question "what is space?"
i say: "i don't know but it's real"
but we also see things as existing or not existing, which is also making a huge assumption that there isn't a thrid (or more) possability. i'm not talking about past or futre but what is, is; what is not, is not, and what else is else.
Poodle
10-27-2005, 11:40 AM
Please watch at least twice the movie "What The Bleep Do We Know" and then ask if space is real. There you will find your answer. :)