Unconscious Installation

[Retrodragon]

Can anyone tell me how i can find out more about unconscious installation. A few book pointers would be appreciated.

Many Thanks

Retro ;)

[Brian Carr]

Hello,

Perhaps someone would also be kind enough to explain what unconscious installation is?

Thanks,
Brian

[skip]

Unconscious installation is the teaching of skills, bringing someone to the level of unconscious competence, without going thru the first three levels of learning.

It is the fastest way to learn.

I dont know of any book that explains it adequately.

Many of the NLP books demonstrate it, if you already know what you are looking for, but unless you understand it consciously, you will not percieve the unconscious teaching/learning taking place, which IS incidentally the whole idea.

I hope that isnt too cryptic.

skip

[Brian Carr]

Hi, Skip!

I'm afraid I do find your explanation rather vague. Perhaps it would help if you defined the first three levels of learning.

Thank you,
Brian

[skip]

Conscious incompetence/unconscious incompetence/cant do it and know you cant.
Conscious competence/unconscious incompetence/ know how but arent skilled
Conscious competence/unconscious competence/ know how and have skill
Conscious incompetence/unconscious competence/do it skilled without realizing it consciously

Is that better?

skip

[Brian Carr]

Fascinating! Yes, I understand; thank you.

Brian

[Jim'll Fix It]

Skip said that unconscious installation is THE fastest way to learn(and i do rate his opinions), would this also mean that for unconscious learning to take place you have to be unaware of it happening -- meaning that it's not possible to undergo this process on yourself by yourself. Sorry in advance if this is a stupid question. Any light shone on the matter would be grateful,
With regards,..

[Merlin]

Jim,

It is possible to be aware during unconscious installation.
It's also possible to self 'unconscious install'
Is that the question?

[skip]

Jim,

This is problematic.

Understand second, the following represents my understanding of unconscious installation, as I utilize it. The opinions expressed, are based on my experience, with thousands of clients/students, and may not be the same as everyone elses experiences. If someone has a differing experience, based on real life, experiential evidence, and not mere theory, I would be very interested in hearing about it.

Understand first, that a true unconscious installation, done well, means that the person has, and uses the 'new' skills, appropriately, without the realization that they are exhibiting new skills. Just as easily and unselfconsciously naturally, as you walk. The new behavior is so seamlessly a part of them, that to them, it feels as if they have been doing it this way, all their life. And they are, for the most part, unaware that they have learned it.

For the installation to be unconscious, it must, by definition, take place outside of conscious awareness, thereby bypassing the critical factor, which would tend to make comparasons with what it 'knows' is true, and or possible, both theoretically and for you personally.

ALSO and perhaps more important, the mind, when curious, (one element of the ideal learning state) is stretching itsself ,to reach an 'understanding'. The "Ah ha" moment, when we 'know' we have it. It is at this point, the mind stops learning, because it is satisfied it does indeed have it...

Unfortunately, in conscious learning, we often reach 'Ah ha' erroneously, or prematurely. If your mind can associate the new information, with something in your experience it will tend to do so, often a misapplication of the information, if done prematurly. And once the mind gets the "AH ha" experience, we have stopped learning, we have a difficult time starting again, even in the face of knowing consciously we didnt get it. How many times, in school, did you have the experience of thinking you had gotten it, when you didnt, and how difficult was it, to then get it right?

So, someone who is good at unconscious installation, is going to keeep your curiousity high, they will keeeeeeeeep your mind at its 'hungriest', right on that razor edge, just out of "Ah ha" reach, but grasping for it, until you exhibit honest unconscious responses, that indicate you do have the skills. Then they will give conscious 'satisfaction', or they may leave you hungry, depending on the purpose of the installation.

It is the fastest way to learn.

It is also a very "unsatisfying", to the conscious mind, way to learn, because your experience, is that of being constantly just on the verge of understanding, but not quite getting it. Frustrating to say the least. :)

If you can set it up yourself, so that you lose yourself in the process, and consciously forget the intended result, you can do this. So in that sense, Merlin is right, you can unconsciously install skills yourself, such that you get unconscious competence.

But one of the key elements of unconscious installation, is that the person doesnt know consciously, what they are learning at any given moment. They may have come to a workshop where they know they will leave with certain skills, but specifically what skill they are learning, at any given moment, or what element, and how it applies, is of necessity, unknown to them, because if it is known, they will tend to leap to the "Ah ha" prematurly, and slow themselves down, or even stop altogether.

A good metaphor for leading a training like this, is trying to keep a hungry pack of wolves, just out of reach of the food. And believe me some people dont react well, to being kept on the edge of satisfaction, say for a weekend, or a week, or so. :) See people really want that conscious understanding. They will fight and claw for it, which is exactly the situation you want, to keep that mind hungry, and devouring every scrap it can, in its attempt to 'get it'. The trainer's job, in this sense, is not just to set up the unconscious learning, but to keep each person balanced on that edge, so they stay in the optimum learning, hungry, state, without tipping over into frustration, and giving up. That's why they pay us the big bucks.

To do this for yourself, HOWEVER, would require you to have set up the learning process, at some point consciously, so there is no way you could not have some conscious understanding of what you were supposed to be learning, and at what step in the learning process you are, and as such, conscious interference raises its ugly head, and slows you down. Someone else can do this for you, but you cannot do it yourrself without having conscious involvement at some point.

The closes to this, you can do for yourself , is Deep Trance Identification, where you deliberately set out to model a skill, or skill set, while utilizing the resources available in deep trance, to aquire the skills 'directly unconsciously'. It still involves some intent and conscious deliberate action on your part, but it is good enough to substitute for someone else installing skills.

If you want to experience good unconscious installation of skills, without paying the really big bucks, to attend a training, like one of mine, I would suggest you buy the book, "The Adventures of Anybody" by Bandler, read it aloud onto tape, and then listen to the tapes, and enjoy the benifits of the unconscious installations. You can also get Bandlers "Personal Enhancement Series" , an eight tape set, if I recall correctly, mine is out on loan right now.

Bandler does not reveal what skills he is installing, in any of those, you have to "reverse engineer" them to discover what he is doing.

skip

[Brian Carr]

Skip,

Yes--nearly all you mention makes sense to me! It's very exciting, since it never occurred to me it might be a psychologically recognized phenomenon.

During the most stable period of my life, my mind was extremely active. Toward the end of that time, I experienced the feeling that I was somehow on the verge of achieving or understanding something extraordinary. I say "experienced the feeling" because that's precisely what it was--just some kind of emotional sensation that was almost visceral. Although I couldn't identify why I felt as I did, I rejected the idea I was losing my mind; my thinking was too clear to be insane.

But the feeling ultimately disappeared before I quite grasped it--I have no idea what it was. And it was around then that my life began a downward trend toward hell. I still have no notion of what happened.

But I'm getting too personal; thanks for reading! :o

Brian