Whats Going Wrong?

[Chazz]

I'm very new to this (hypnosis) and have picked up most of my info from websites offering free chapters, and one exceptional site that displays the book without having to pay (I'm short on cash).
Anyway I'm just wondering how many people who you (proffesional and/or experienced hypnotists) hypnotize actually go in to a trance.
The reason I ask is that a large mi9nority (40%) of the people I try (unsuccseccfully) to hypnotize, after post - hypnotic suggestions are made, simply wake up and say something like
"By the way I could move my arm all along and I am not a poodle (I'm trying stage hypnosis at the moment, only in small groups) and I have pretending all this time"
Obviously to my great embarrassment.
So do you have any type of general techniques up your sleeve, or specific scripts, but mainly tips, i.e tone of voice, types of inductions and deepeners.

[TaffyE]

I'm very new to this (hypnosis) and have picked up most of my info from websites offering free chapters, and one exceptional site that displays the book without having to pay (I'm short on cash).

I just love people who mess around with things they know very little about epcially other people's minds, then want something for nothing. Get yourself a book on surgery, or medicine or car mechanics, and set yourself up as an expert.

Anyway I'm just wondering how many people who you (proffesional and/or experienced hypnotists) hypnotize actually go in to a trance.All of them, because we took the time and spent the money on being trained to do the job properly



The reason I ask is that a large mi9nority (40%) of the people I try (unsuccseccfully) to hypnotize, after post - hypnotic suggestions are made, simply wake up and say something like
"By the way I could move my arm all along and I am not a poodle (I'm trying stage hypnosis at the moment, only in small groups) and I have pretending all this time" Obviously to my great embarrassment.
And you are surprised because.....?

So do you have any type of general techniques up your sleeve, or specific scripts, but mainly tips, i.e tone of voice, types of inductions and deepeners.My tip of the day - take some training. If you are sort of cash, do what some of us did - SAVE.

[Terry (existing)]

Don't get your knickers in a knot Taff, nobody could be such an idiot, so it must be a scam.......

[TaffyE]

Don't get your knickers in a knot Taff, nobody could be such an idiot, so it must be a scam.......:) Knickers unknotted and smoothed out. I must have been in a bad mood!

[mariah]

My tip of the day - take some training. If you are sort of cash, do what some of us did - SAVE.

I saved, I went to a professional (appearently he was), it failed. It didn't help me a BIT. He couldn't even put me in a trance. I wasn't even that nervous. I have an average IQ. According to him I CAN be hypnotised. But all I know now is that I WASTED that money on a "professional", meaning they are not all "professionals" even as they say they are. I have personally never gone through anything as ridicilous as this.

[Don]

Maria, please not that TaffyE was not talking about having a session with a hypnotist. She was talking about saving money to attend trainings on how to hypnotize others.

My step-father died a few months ago. He spend over a year and went to FOUR doctors before he found one who could accurately diagnose and treat his ailment, but by then it was too late.

Not all clients and hypnotists work well together. It is up to a well-trained hypnotist to overcome this. If he or she is trained, this can be done in an hour or less.

If you can type out your posts, you have all the skills necessary to go into a trance. It sounds to me like your hypnotist didn't explain this well to you. Hypnotists do not "put people" into trances. They guide them into allowing themselves to go into trance.

Anyone who regularly posts here will find new posts rather than having to read entire threads. As a result, I've had the pleasure of reading a lot of posts by you. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to see them! I feel it is fair, however, to point out that your comments to others seem to be far more about yourself and your personal issues.

If you want to post about your personal issues, great! However, don't you think it's a bit unfair to be telling people what they can and cannot do because you choose to do or not do something? If someone is having trouble reading, do you tell them "I can't read so you'll never be able to learn?" I don't speak Hindi, but I would never tell someone they can't learn it.

[TaffyE]

Maria, please not that TaffyE was not talking about having a session with a hypnotist. She was talking about saving money to attend trainings on how to hypnotize others

Don, sorry to disappoint your image of me, but I am definitely a HE. :)

[Don]

Yikes! I deeply apologize. In my upbringing "Taffy" usually is a nickname for a female. I'll have to get out of that paradigm!
;)
Again, I apologize.

[mariah]

In my upbringing "Taffy" usually is a nickname for a female.


See, you are doing it as well! You are stating from your own beliefs and personal experiences. I mean, don't tell me you've read books about names and where "Taffy" ended up in the girl-section? But because you had to take a guess, you used your own personal experiences with that name and made it into a conclusion. You even bolded it. So please, let me state my opinions EVEN IF it was to come from my own head and my own personal beliefs and situations even. You know you could really "hypnotise" a person this way to make him/her believe everything coming from her/his own head was to be wrong. That's a great way of shutting down someone's self-esteem! I'm amazed! Why don't you put it up as a scripth on this exact forum?

[mariah]

"Maria, please not that TaffyE was not talking about having a session with a hypnotist. She was talking about saving money to attend trainings on how to hypnotize others."

Ookay, my mistake then. That's what happens when reading a different language.

"My step-father died a few months ago. He spend over a year and went to FOUR doctors before he found one who could accurately diagnose and treat his ailment, but by then it was too late."

I'm sorry to hear that.

"Not all clients and hypnotists work well together. It is up to a well-trained hypnotist to overcome this. If he or she is trained, this can be done in an hour or less."

Basically, I didn't have anyone to compare him with. So I was the one really inexperienced and I really would have no way of telling whether or not he was right for me. I liked him as a person, but him as a hypnotist could still really fail.

"If you can type out your posts, you have all the skills necessary to go into a trance. It sounds to me like your hypnotist didn't explain this well to you. Hypnotists do not "put people" into trances. They guide them into allowing themselves to go into trance."

So I'm guessing from what I've heard and read this far from everyone, that hypnotises really isn't that much about the hypnotist? I actually thought the hypnotist was the one to put you in a trance, and more then just to 'guide you' through it. I thought you could get yourself out of it, but not in it.

"Anyone who regularly posts here will find new posts rather than having to read entire threads. As a result, I've had the pleasure of reading a lot of posts by you. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to see them! I feel it is fair, however, to point out that your comments to others seem to be far more about yourself and your personal issues."

I don't read books, I don't study hypnotises, I haven't indeed even graduated high school yet. How do you expect me to NOT be typing in stuff about myself? I believe that by studying myself I can indeed help others as well with stating them what happened to me. If I didn't use myself as an example, I would be practically lying telling you about stuff I have not experienced myself. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. I can try to change, if it really bothers you all that much. Just tell me what to change?
If you want to post about your personal issues, great! However, don't you think it's a bit unfair to be telling people what they can and cannot do because you choose to do or not do something? If someone is having trouble reading, do you tell them "I can't read so you'll never be able to learn?" I don't speak Hindi, but I would never tell someone they can't learn it.[/QUOTE]
:eek:

[mariah]

Please note on your last sentence there that I am and was not at all doing this either. I am not telling people "IT WON'T WORK FOR YOU", I'm stating that in my opinion it COULD not. Don't take everything I say too seriously.

[Don]

Unfortunately, the nature of the web is that either we have to take what a person says seriously or take them as fools and say what they have posted is meaningless. I don't think you are a fool at all. We have no way of telling what words of yours should be taken seriously or not. So out of respect, and by default, unless you say something is a joke or indicate it with smile :) people will take you seriously.

You are correct in that you were inexperienced when you went to a hypnotist and had nothing to compare it with, but that is nothing to be held against you! Your hypnotist should recognize that as a new client you probably have misconceptions about what hypnosis is and what to expect. IMO he should have cleared this up with you before doing any actual hypnosis work. He should have explained that you are in total control at all times and perhaps even giving you a demonstration to prove to you that you are in control. From your description, the fault in the failure here is not yours, but his.

If something didn't work for you, by all means tell people! But let them make up their minds. From your posts it seems like you are assuming that because one experience wasn't positive for you, it won't be positive for others. I think if you just take the attitude of "let me share what happened to me" you'll be a great addition to this forum.

Yep. Hypnotists are guides. But the thing is, for a guide to, uh, guide someone, that guide has to know where you want to go. It sounds to me like the hypnotist you went to didn't know where you wanted to go and didn't explain how he was going to guide you.

IMO, hypnotherapy is a cooperative technique. A client and hypnotist work together to bring about the changes the client desires. That you didn't understand this when you went to the hypnotist is not your fault...it was the hypnotist's responsibility.

[TaffyE]

Yikes! I deeply apologize. In my upbringing "Taffy" usually is a nickname for a female. I'll have to get out of that paradigm!
;)
Again, I apologize.
Thasok Don. :)

Just as Scotsmen are called Jock, and Irishmen are called Paddy - Welshmen are called Taff or Taffy.

There, we learn something new every day don't we. :D

[Shlomo_NLP]

Hi Chazz

Any person can be hypnotized, but there is also an issue of agreement. Without their wilingness to cooperate, it would be very hard for you to hypnotize them. Hypnosis is not some kind of Mind Control tactic to manipulate others. You simply cannot snap your fingers at someone and have him quack like a duck :-)

I'm a Hypnotherapist. I learned in a dedicated Hypnotherapy college in L.A, and it was a long qualification program and yes, also expensive. about 10$K to be exact. 2 years of practicing with classmates and under supervision, exploring almost every corner of the profession along with NLP and other methods - there is no replacement to live training. Books are for knowledge, not for skill.

If you're looking for free materials on Hypnosis and NLP go to my online magazine. We just started an online Hypnosis for Beginners course (free of charge of course).

However, if you're looking into owning those skills truly, go and find a live training. If it's that important to you, pay for it. You can always arrange easy payments with the training's master.

Good luck to you and Happy Holidays to everyone

Shlomo

[rcs]

Thank you finally some one who has posted a sensible post.
I too, a qualified therapist have under gone a Hypnosis course. However, there are cheaper, more affordable courses. Even over a two year period, 10$k is alot of money for anybody starting off. :o
However, research first and research some more, before reaching deep into your pockets. Good price, good master trainer giving you a rewarding good qualification at the end.

:mad: TAFFY...refers to... the river Taff in Cardiff South Wales, UK. Welsh people got the knick name Taffy from the river that runs through the area.

We must remember that therapists are here to help people in this world who cant help themselves (no, im not religious!). I believe that a few of you on this thread have gone off the 'Beaten Track.' If some one is not a therapist, but still posting on this site, then surely they do have a strong interest, to bother to post in the first place. People have some respect for each other and share knowledge (within reason...). Getting worked up over triva such as Taffy (boy/girl) or people trying to get freebies, is not worth getting stressed about...

My compliments of the season.
Rich.

[Don]

TAFFY...refers to... the river Taff in Cardiff South Wales, UK. Welsh people got the knick name Taffy from the river that runs through the area.
Rich.

Then shouldn't they call people who live within the sound of Big Ben in London "Big Bennies" instead of ****ney?"

;)

[Don]

LOL!
Seems they have a word censor in place!

The first four letters that are asterisked out refer to rooster.

[Terry (existing)]

Well well, you learn something new every day don't you?. I always thought that the name came for the ****ney "Toffee nose" because the welsh accent is so melodious, while their own is very harsh. Not that I care much, the welsh love to sing as do I, so I consider them my friends (G).......Anyone know the area just south of Shrewsbury, abutting Craven Arms? that is the area my father came from......

[Terry (existing)]

As for the final sentence in your last post Rich, i think I will take exception to it as I so often do.....(G).....

What on earth do you mean, "therapists are here to help others with problems," or words to that effect?
I had no idea I had spent hundreds of hours in research, and thousands of dollars, just to wind up on a board such as this giving that advice for free but without any right to have fun myself, or even on occassion to chastise someone who is too lazy to do any research for themselves, but expects me to use my own hard gained knowledge to do it all for them?
Now I do note that you are careful to state that you are not religious, so I assume you consider that what you ask of us is the "Christian thing to do" so to speak, but I suggest your rethink if you will.....If I do it all, and they do nothing, what I do is of no value is it? I do know that when I worked for free to gain experience many years ago, nobody considered what I did to have any value, yet when I began to charge I was suddenly a bloody expert who was worth every penny... Strange, I was as successful when I didn't charge if those who used my services stuck it out to the end, which they often didn't......Today, I am worth what I charge on those rare occassions I choose to operate as a therapist, which is what those I once taught charge, $250.00 per hour. Now in all likelyhood, I could charge twice that much and get away with it because I am that good, yet in your opinion, I should be offering such services free of charge, and at the same time being carefull not to have any fun in the process because that might upset the uninformed!!!!!!
NOW, I am willing to bet that that is NOT what you meant to say or infer is it? Yet if you reread your post, that is exactly how you came across, and on a board you have only just joined today no less. Better rethink and start over again, and meantime, have a Holly Jolly Christmas, which is what I wish all who are not religious....(EG)

[TaffyE]

Well well, you learn something new every day don't you?. I always thought that the name came for the ****ney "Toffee nose" because the welsh accent is so melodious, while their own is very harsh. Not that I care much, the welsh love to sing as do I, so I consider them my friends (G).......Anyone know the area just south of Shrewsbury, abutting Craven Arms? that is the area my father came from......
Yes, Terry. I lived in and around Shrewsbury for around 8-9 years. Beautiful country. Long Mynd, Bridgenorth, Wenlock and Wenlock Edge, Much Wenlock etc. :)

My understanding of the term ****ney was the "name" given to people born within the sound of the bells of Bow church (now demolished I believe).

[rcs]

Getting worked up over triva such as Taffy (boy/girl) or people trying to get freebies, is not worth getting stressed about...


Rich.
Terry may i just defend myself. You statement was because of my last sentence? Very well, I shall explain...
I did not post to be harsh or to tread on other peoples toes. :mad:
And quite frankly Im amazed how you would get upset from my post. Unless you did not read it properly.

Yes it was my first post as a member, but not my first post or visit to this forum.
May I say, we all have options in life. People do and say things almost everyday out of term. But are they really worth wasting time over? (...not worth getting stressed about...)
I sincerly hope that you dont, wont and havent just studied your ass off to give away freebies. My point was, as therapists, humans, we should aid where we can for those who may deserve it, or for those 'you' see fit.
My observation was that people are wasting time when their time could be well spent on matters that deserve it. Not going, (and to quote myself again...) off the beaten track.
I do apoligise, if you take this posting 'yet again' the wrong way. But Im being sincere when I say, I am very passive and dont quite understand the need for people getting worked up over postings that clearly dont need a reply.
Why get yourself worked up? And if you do get worked up yet again, then I suggest you dont waste your prescious time on the likes of me.

Apoligies...:( and very disheartened
Richard.

Oh and I hope you did have a good xmas/new year!

[Terry (existing)]

Sorry for the late reply Richard, but better late than never I suppose.....You seem to be under the impression that I am angry when I reply to some posts, and though that may well be true in some instances, they are rare. Most posters I give a tongue lashing to are being lazy, or rude, both conditions which allow for a reply in kind, but usually done with amusement. You should understand that I hold anyone who can type a message to this board, to be capable of thought and action. The fact that they are lazy is their loss not mine, and the fact they are rude is a problem for them not me. I just pull the chain and have fun at their expense. There are times of course were I misunderstand a post, but in most cases I bring out the real person behind that first one, while others reply in such a manner as to persuade me I was wrong about them, in which case I have no problem offering an apology, since I know that to err is human, and to forgive devine. I must therefor trust that you decide if you were in error, and be human, or if not that you will be devine and forgive this poor human sinner.. (G)

[rcs]

Terry, I have apoligised. Also I have no need to forgive you, lol. I clearly understand your humour. I have a wicked sense of humour, but because of it Ive learnt to tone it down when typing/writing over the years... (a black and white flash back!)
It was a misunderstanding on probably both parts. Needles to say such trivia should be taken with a pinch of salt.
I thank you for your reply.
Greater matters are afoot!

Take care,
Richard.

[Terry (existing)]

Thank goodness there is not need to prepare for rapiers, or pistols at dawn, I am getting too old for that (EG).