NLP "Coaching" over the Phone

[taotree]

I have some things I'd like to achieve and from my current limited understanding NLP would likely get over some self-limiting hangups that are slowing that.

I'm not quite ready to go through a long involved training program (how long/involved is it?) in order to "work" on myself (which I don't know if that's as effective as having a practitioner's help even if I did have the training) at this point and so have been thinking I would like to get someone to help.

From the limited reading I've done on this board, it seems typical in-person sessions are how NLP is done. Is that necessary? Is it possible to get effective help over the phone?

The reason for desiring such is time-savings and flexibility. For example, I had something occur this morning and I was aware of it, but did not know how to deal with it. Having someone that I could reach out to in a reasonable time frame would have been quite helpful.

Is it critical for NLP therapy to be done in person? Or perhaps, does it work to have in person sessions initially, and then dealing with other things over the phone over time?

[Poodle]

Self therapy usually is not advised even for the very skilled. A good NLP training is around two weeks. We have members here that do phone work in NLP and it is expensive but great. What is the value you put on yourself and even more what is the value that you put on your future. How are you so sure that you need NLP when maybe you need hypnotherapy or Time Line Work. Playing MD and diagnosing your own problems?

You could sit around for months playing with just submodalities before you happened upon the correct one and should that happen, then what?

Wishing you the best,
Pood

[taotree]

Self therapy usually is not advised even for the very skilled.

Thank you--I'll assume the same can be said for hypno/timeline/etc.

A good NLP training is around two weeks.Which becomes somewhat irrelevant given your previous answer, but thanks!

We have members here that do phone work in NLP and it is expensive but great.Expensive in what sense? More expensive than going to see a local practitioner in person? Is there a "premium" because it's on the phone? Is it any less effective than in-person?

How are you so sure that you need NLP when maybe you need hypnotherapy or Time Line Work. Playing MD and diagnosing your own problems?Sorry, you're right, I should have used more generic term there. Is there a single term used that kind of encompasses the various things? Perhaps just "therapy"?

You could sit around for months playing with just submodalities before you happened upon the correct one and should that happen, then what?Is this comment in regards to the self therapy question, or in regards to not including hypno/timeline/? in my question?

Thanks!

[Nigel H]

Hia

I wonder if it is actually 'Coaching' you are after, or more therapy.

The differential would relate to whether it is 'remedial' or not. i.e. Coaching would be hit from the angle of "I am good/OK/fine and want to do even better", whereas therapy (remedial work) would start from the thought of "I am broken/not working properly/unhappy and want to get rid of the problem(s)" ................ which can then perhaps go on to coaching.

Sometimes someone will start with coaching and then hit a brick-wall where they have stuff that needs dealing with from a remedial perspective to allow them to continue further with it, it all depends on the individual.

There are people who do either by phone - I am not one, so cannot offer a personal experience on it's effectiveness, I'm afraid. My feeling on it is that I would rather work with someone face to face in either area, although perhaps coaching is easier by phone, than therapy, at least in my humble view. Others who actually do it by phone will offer thoughts to the contrary I am sure!

A good NLP training will allow you to work through stuff along the way. This is by way of working with your fellow students to practise the exercises you are being taught, so you can actually use them on another and feel them being used on you.

Seeing a trained practitioner face to face, as opposed to doing it in a training environment, will allow you devoted time to deal very specifically and privately with your own issues (if it is 'therapy' that you require). Many feel fine doing this in the training environment also though.

I guess there is no 'hard-and-fast' answer - whatever works between you and the practitioner!

Clearly a training is the answer if you wish to actually learn the techniques in a way to use them with others and/or have understanding of the theory behind why methods do what they do. It is not necessary to understand how they work specifically, to have them work when seeing a practitioner though.

I hope this helps.

Nig

[Terry]

I have some things I'd like to achieve and from my current limited understanding NLP would likely get over some self-limiting hangups that are slowing that.

I'm not quite ready to go through a long involved training program (how long/involved is it?) in order to "work" on myself (which I don't know if that's as effective as having a practitioner's help even if I did have the training) at this point and so have been thinking I would like to get someone to help.

From the limited reading I've done on this board, it seems typical in-person sessions are how NLP is done. Is that necessary? Is it possible to get effective help over the phone?

The reason for desiring such is time-savings and flexibility. For example, I had something occur this morning and I was aware of it, but did not know how to deal with it. Having someone that I could reach out to in a reasonable time frame would have been quite helpful.

Is it critical for NLP therapy to be done in person? Or perhaps, does it work to have in person sessions initially, and then dealing with other things over the phone over time? What an interesting concept this offers. In other words.
"I have read a little bit about something, and think it might help, but I am not sure. Just in case it doesn;t work, I don;t want to go to any trouble either to learn more about it, or confirm my beliefs, I will just ask those who do know more". Seems fair....
NOW, "simply put, can I sit back and have someone phone me, do simple therapy to me, and have me cured without going to any further trouble myself?" "Oh yes, on second thought, since nobody has to see me, can we do this on the cheap?"
I am waiting on pins and needles to find out who will stick out their necks and offer such help..:)
Better yet, can anyone help this sad soul via internet? Admittedly, he has a very poor concept of himself, he agrees he is not worth much in the way of effort, even to the point of not wishing to leave his house to get help unless that house is on fire... That he is not worth much in the way of money either, but feels that he does have every right to dictate the terms of his treatment, which of course is quite true...
I perceive an interesting reply from someone, but that someone will not be me, I have decided that if I can't say something nice, I will say nothing at all....:cool: ...:D
I hope all will remember that both time saving and flexibility are important since such is stated, so please don;t waste time asking further questions, just do the therapy please, or do what I have chosen to do......

[taotree]

"I have read a little bit about something, and think it might help, but I am not sure. Just in case it doesn;t work, I don;t want to go to any trouble either to learn more about it, or confirm my beliefs, I will just ask those who do know more". Seems fair....

I have done some reading... a little book, a little on this forum. I'm convinced it will help, though it would be presumptuous for me to say "it will help". I said, "I think it will likely help me" simply out of respect for my lack of credentials to make any definitive statement.

NOW, "simply put, can I sit back and have someone phone me, do simple therapy to me, and have me cured without going to any further trouble myself?"

One generally will want to scope out an initiative before one jumps in. I read elsewhere on this forum that nlp/hypno/timeline are "brief" therapy--often having effect in 2-3 sessions.

I asked one targeted question here with the intention of covering other aspects of my questions here and other places as I work out a plan of attack.

What if those 2-3 sessions fix one thing, but I have 10 things I need fixed? Does that mean 20-30 sessions? Do all 30 of those sessions need done on in person? Are other issues dealt with in a single session because of the initial find-out work done in the first set of sessions? Because they might tag along onto them, perhaps follow up issues can be done in a phone call because the therapist is sufficiently familiar with the patient and the issue at hand?

If one runs into a minor roadblock that will set them back for a while, if they have a relationship with a therapist, could a phone call help get them back in line?

"Oh yes, on second thought, since nobody has to see me, can we do this on the cheap?"

Not sure where this came from. I didn't say anything about wanting it to be cheap. My question about "premium" was because it was termed "expensive". I don't know if that "expensive" was used in absolute or relative terms. Was he stating his phone services are especially more expensive than in-person therapy, or was he just warning me that therapy in general is expensive. So I asked for clarification. Better yet, can anyone help this sad soul via internet? Admittedly, he has a very poor concept of himself, he agrees he is not worth much in the way of effort, even to the point of not wishing to leave his house to get help unless that house is on fire...

Regardless of how "worth it" it is, one is generally considered justified in identifying the effort required so one can properly schedule things around it. Each in-person session will require at least an hour of driving time plus the session itself. That means juggling work and other things to fit that in, etc.

That he is not worth much in the way of money either,

What did I saw about money to get this response? I don't get it.

but feels that he does have every right to dictate the terms of his treatment, which of course is quite true...

"dictate"? I was not dictating, I was asking. I searched the forums and could find nothing about therapy over the phone--whether it was done or not. Perhaps my searching was insufficient, but it was enough that I thought I could post a quick question to identify if it was useful, discouraged, used in a hybrid approach, etc.

I hope all will remember that both time saving and flexibility are important since such is stated, so please don;t

I thought explaining my reasoning would be a good idea because there are other reasons to do it over the phone. For example, I know of someone who as far as I can tell does not have a practitioner in her town, but due to anxiety issues she is unable to leave her town. To me, you might have responded--yeah phone is available, but it's much better to do it in person so you should probably do that. But to her, you might say, yes, get some help on the phone. Or you might have said to her, some people will drive to your place, you should look for something like that.

Given your response... it seems that you would suggest that I posted the following question instead of what I did:

"Is therapy done over the phone?"

and left it at that without any explanation.

[Don]

I have done some reading... a little book, a little on this forum....
I asked one targeted question here with the intention of covering other aspects of my questions here and other places as I work out a plan of attack.

What if those 2-3 sessions fix one thing, but I have 10 things I need fixed? Does that mean 20-30 sessions? Do all 30 of those sessions need done on in person?


Unfortunately, reading a book or two and reading some stuff on the internet does not make one an expert. As they say, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

You're trying to plot out what you want to do, but you've left out the second most important person in this: the person or persons you're going to work with.

It's like this: imagine you have a broken arm. You read some books and do some on-line research, and design a method of approach.

Unfortunately, by the time you see a doctor to help you with your "method," the bone has set in the wrong position. All of your planning is useless as the doctor--a trained professional--gives you options (or more likely, tells you what to do).

This is the problem with trying to get full information and a diagnosis over the internet. It's impractical, not useful, and in many cases, completely unethical.

You say you want to deal with one issue, but that turns out not to be true. You actually have many issues. We have no way of knowing that over the internet, and therefore, you should basically discount the posts you've read. They're irrelevant.

If you had gone into the offices of a hypnotherapist or NLP practitioner, he or she would interview you before doing any work and find out about all of those other issues.

YOU think the issues are all different. My guess, however, is that many or all of them are related. Dealing with one without dealing with the others might be a waste of time, effort, and money.

But you think you know what you're doing. Respectfully, what you've shown in this post is that you're all wrong. You're coming from a traditional Western medicine paradigm where every part of the body is isolated, they can be treated independent of the others, and there is a single treatment for each problem. Sorry, my friend, but the mind doesn't work that way.


I thought explaining my reasoning would be a good idea because there are other reasons to do it over the phone. For example, I know of someone who as far as I can tell does not have a practitioner in her town, but due to anxiety issues she is unable to leave her town. To me, you might have responded--yeah phone is available, but it's much better to do it in person so you should probably do that. But to her, you might say, yes, get some help on the phone. Or you might have said to her, some people will drive to your place, you should look for something like that.

Or perhaps you only have a superficial understanding of the the hypnotherapeutic/NLP framework and a practitioner may have required her to break through her self-imposed limitations to come to his or her offices in order to supercharge the work?

In answer to your question: some NLP can be done over the phone, especially if you have already been to a practitioner. However, the issues you have described with multiple issues, self-prescriptions, making assumptions about the abilities of others, etc., etc., are at best guesses on your part based upon a superficial study.

My suggestion: contact a person locally and see what they have to say. Don't diagnose or prescribe for yourself or others until you have thorough training. Reading a couple of books and some websites just doesn't make the grade.

[taotree]

In answer to your question: some NLP can be done over the phone, especially if you have already been to a practitioner.

This is all the answer I was looking for in my question. All the other stuff just read way way more into my question than I intended. Sorry about the confusion.

[Poodle]

There are NLPers with more skills that do just coaching work. We don't think or believe you are "broken" at all. You have all the resources you need. They just happen to not be in your conscious awareness at this time. Usually coaches also have taken "coaching courses" as well.

Do you really feel broken? If so, NLP can work wonders. NLP really isn't therapy as you are taught how to "run your own brain". We have just studied it at length and spent 10's of thousands of dollars on it. NLP is generally more expensive than hypnotherapy BUT it's cheaper in the long run as it's much faster

You can PM me if you wish for names of people I would recommend for phone work.

Be well,
Pood

[Simple Guy]

Poodle,

"Do you really feel broken? If so, NLP can work wonders. NLP really isn't therapy as you are taught how to "run your own brain". We have just studied it at length and spent 10's of thousands of dollars on it. NLP is generally more expensive than hypnotherapy BUT it's cheaper in the long run as it's much faster"

I don't share your view that NLP is "much faster" than hypnosis nor
do I have the view that hypnotherapy is "much faster" than NLP.
Either of the two, when applied in a high level way integrates so much and
so seemlessly (with the other) that it is often not practical nor possible
to make clear distinctions between them.

[Terry]

Hypnosis, NLP, TLT, et al, are all methods of fast therapy taken from the same root system but developed separately. To make comparisons is foolish in that doing so is a limiting belief.
Anyone want to suggest that learning Triganometry is all that is required in order to use Mathmatics to the maximum effect? Dumb suggestion isn;t it, yet saying that one root method is better than another, without qualifying as to whom it is being used on, is just as dumb in my opinion....

[Henrik]

Hypnosis, NLP, TLT, et al, are all methods of fast therapy taken from the same root system but developed separately. To make comparisons is foolish in that doing so is a limiting belief.


Oh, I agree a lot with this view. Lately I have been doing some work with Doc (thank you Doc), and he helped me with some of his stuff. Last night I read a few paragraphs in a 'Time Lines'-book that I like. At the same time I remembered something Terry told me once. And today I must say I feel I have taken a little big leap again. I like it a looot.

I have said this before, but I really don't care what things are called. Well, when having a conversation it is useful, but other than that I think if it works... call it whatever you like. There are gold nuggets in all of these methods/technologies.


Anyone want to suggest that learning Triganometry is all that is required in order to use Mathmatics to the maximum effect?


What the heck is Triganometry :D.


Dumb suggestion isn;t it, yet saying that one root method is better than another, without qualifying as to whom it is being used on, is just as dumb in my opinion....


You know Terry, I have learned a few things from you. Thank you.

Henrik

[Merlin]

It is better to be done in person.
I read in the newspaper about a person who wanted cosmetic surgery 'coaching' over the phone, rather than in office visits.
sure, it could be done.
Advisable? not by me.

[Terry]

What the heck is Triganometry :D.

Henrik Trig: that part of mathmatics that deals with angled, Sines, Cosines, Tangents etc, and is used for such things as navigation, or building tunnels from both sides of a mountain and meeting in the middle in a perfect manner. Facinating to me, but something I found difficult to absorb until I read a "teach yourself" book on the subject....
Point I was trying to make is that it is only one part of mathmatics, and though usefull in itself, will not do everything that is covered by the use of maths...

[Poodle]

WHY? We do age regression and body sculpting so what's the need for cosmetic surgery? Besides, they hurt people and we don't. :) Pood

[Henrik]

And I who thought it is called trigonometry... :p Trigonometry is an interesting topic, both Euclidian and non-Euclidian. And yes, only knowing trigonometry is not enough to be a good mathematician