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letzgetum
11-16-2007, 07:35 PM
Hello everyone,
I have been reading through these threads for a while, and you guys seem to really know your stuff. I was hoping I could get some help from you guys as I don't know any other people more capable of answering these questions. Hypnosis has always been an intrest of mine, I have hypnotized a few people and it was intriging to say the least. Recently, I came across some artilcles discussing Covert/black ops/conversational/NLP hypnosis. I really don't know what to call it but it seems to go by many names. I have been looking to obtain some free information regarding these pracitices to no avail. Would any of you be able to shed some light on what exactly this is, if it really works, and how I may be able to learn the techniques. Thank you for your time in reading this. I appoligize if this is the wrong place or if this has been discussed before, I have searched through and havent found information on this. Thank you in advance
Ken.
I'll give it a try.
You see, there was this guy named Erickson who had the realization that we're always going in and out of various trances. So by simply talking in special ways, and at the right time, he could help people change their behavior without a formal trance (you know, the "you are getting sleeeeepy" type of thing).
To do Ericksonian-style hypnosis is way more complicated than the traditional stuff, but it can be surprisingly powerful.
Well, along came some guys who took a bit here and a bit there of what Erickson did. They called it a secret weapon for seducing women before they even knew it. They also admit that it doesn't work with all women--it's a numbers game. So you try the techniques on a woman and if it doesn't work, you try them on a different woman until it has an effect on them. That's what the guys making lots of money off of this will tell you.
What they don't tell you is that the techniques aren't working on the woman, they're working on you. If they do their sales pitch right, they convince you that you'll have a "special ability." That gives you the self-confidence to approach women you wouldn't normally go after. The confident attitude, combined with the willingness to talk to lots of women, adds up to success. It's like a placebo. You think it's going to work so it works.
Terry
11-17-2007, 11:08 AM
Ken, Don has answered your question as far as a discussion of "black ops" is concerned, but there is much more to the Ericsonian system than this small use or misuse of something valuable to our art.
What you are asking about comes with time, practise, and developing skills, and there is no shortcut to successful accomplishment. I note that you ask only for free information, which to my way of thinking means that you have no burning desire to learn, and would be unwilling to spend the time required to develop that skill even if offered for free.. If I am wrong about this, you will need to change your attitude and pay for what you want, because nobody will spend the time required to help you for free. You will need to spend at least $3,000.00 in training, and many hours of practise to boot. Are you up to it?
If it is worth having it is worth paying for. If not, perhaps you really don;t need it?
letzgetum
11-17-2007, 04:40 PM
Ken, Don has answered your question as far as a discussion of "black ops" is concerned, but there is much more to the Ericsonian system than this small use or misuse of something valuable to our art.
What you are asking about comes with time, practise, and developing skills, and there is no shortcut to successful accomplishment. I note that you ask only for free information, which to my way of thinking means that you have no burning desire to learn, and would be unwilling to spend the time required to develop that skill even if offered for free.. If I am wrong about this, you will need to change your attitude and pay for what you want, because nobody will spend the time required to help you for free. You will need to spend at least $3,000.00 in training, and many hours of practise to boot. Are you up to it?
If it is worth having it is worth paying for. If not, perhaps you really don;t need it?
You are correct, I happen to agree that anything worth knowing takes time and effort to learn it. Perhaps I came off a bit like I was looking for a quick solution. I have purchased several books on the art of hyposis and have learned emence amounts of information from that literature. I didn't mean to imply that it would be something as simple as downloading a free ebook or something like that. I wanted to be able to read some free literature on it to make sure that this aspect of hypnosis is of interest for me before I spend all my time and money on it. I think of it as sort of a test drive before buying a car. Thank you to all who took the time to read the thread and answer and also thank you for your advice.
Ken
Terry
11-17-2007, 08:45 PM
Now I am puzzled! You say you are just looking for free advise before making a decission, yet here were such is available from skilled practitioners, you ask us to direct you somewere else? .....:eek:
Letz, what are you looking to know? Free literature give information. What information are you looking for?
Poodle
11-18-2007, 12:07 AM
Black Ops is anything but free! You get suckered in with a cheapie and then comes the news - want more? send me $$$$$$. To tell the actual unadulturated truth, I have a lot of his material and it's just plain junk! Can't even get historical facts right as in Dr. Esdaile removed warts -- duhhh! it was painless amputations with only hypnosis. Big difference, huh?
Maybe Don knows more about the P-U-A's than I do but I have studied one very carefully. He does know some good parts of NLP and quite frankly Dr. Richard Bandler, co-developer of NLP, is not thrilled that his magnificent work is being used as such.
There is stage hypnosis download (not free) on another Forum I belong to. If you are interested in stage hypnosis and perhaps reading the book, let me know. In the meantime, may I suggest reading 'Training Trances' by Julie Silverthorne and her husband. It's from a beginner's class on NLP and Ericksonian hypnotherapy. Also isn't expensive and available on Amazon.
After reading it at least twice, you will have a better position from which to decide.
Also depending upon where you live, "taster courses" may be available. These are fast paced, long days (3) of hypnosis training. You just may decide you totally LOVE our world. Stay well, Pood :)
letzgetum,
Who is the 'um' we are supposed to be getting?
"You are correct, I happen to agree that anything worth knowing takes time and effort to learn it."
This is a good argument for spending energy and effort on worth while things.
But are you sure this belief wouldnt cause you to reject something worth while that just happened to fall into your lap?
Covert hypnosis isnt covert.
Not really.
It is done right out there in the open in front of God and everyone else who happens to be in ear shot.
It is only covert in the sense that people dont notice consciously what you are doing. It sort of flies under the radar, so to speak.
Like advertising does. It appeals to you on levels they are deliberately accessing but that you dont realize are being accessed. And they do it right out in front of you.
So actually what you are loking for doesn't exist, in the sense you are asking about.
Go learn ANY Ericksonian hypnosis techniques, binds, lost performatives, reframes, etc; and you will have what you are looking for. "Hypnotic Patterns of Milton Erickson I & II" will teach you far more than you could ever utilize.
Dont waste your time on "Covert Hypnosis" crap, it is generally watered down Ericksonian hypnosis that costs far more than the two difinitive books put together.
There is a reason you cant find it for free. People want your money for something that is actually something else that you can get for free, or very little cost.
cheers,
skip
letzgetum
11-18-2007, 07:48 PM
Hey everyone,
Thanks for your great advice, sorry if I wasnt specific enough in my requests. I wasn't quite sure how to word myself on this topic, sorry again. Originally I was looking for free information such as ebooks because everyone I have seen costs 95 dollars and I want to make sure its not BS before putting that into it. Looking at your responces it appears that what I was looking at was not the real thing, just pieces put together with a new label on it and sold for more money. I knew you guys would be able to steer me right, thank you all very much.
Yep. That's basically it. It may help you own self-image and self-assuredness, and that tends to be more attractive to many women.
BTW, there was a show on MTV where an "expert" taught a bunch of people some of the supposed techniques. Most of the people couldn't do what I through were very simple things, such as get a woman to stop rather than talk to them while they were walking.
Most of the people couldn't do what I through were very simple things, such as get a woman to stop rather than talk to them while they were walking.
Simple technique for this. Just say 'Your hair/clothes/ makeup look/s peculiar/odd/grotesque' and hand out a mirror. Guaranteed to stop any woman dead in her tracks. Then deepen the trance before the woman realises you are being untruthful and injures you.:D
Jack
Anyone who is interested in the SS business needs to read "The Game" by Niel Strausse.
Neil was a writer who hooked up with and became a ledgend in the SS community.
His book talks about the good and bad of the SS 'game', and definately reveals what a miserable mess the SS crowd is despite being able to seduce beautiful women.
And that includes the so call 'jedi master' who is on MTV, who is one of the 'stars' in the book.
skip
Merlin
11-19-2007, 12:41 PM
Pink ops
FOTCL
<Falling off the chair laughing> for those less net savy
Merlin
11-19-2007, 12:43 PM
There is a 'black ops' hypnosis beyond what has been discussed.
But I can't tell if you were asking about it or not?
Have you read my FAQ?
Poodle
11-19-2007, 12:53 PM
Just a picture of the "original" is enough to make me want to toss my cookies. I KNOW there is nothing he could do to change my mind about that! :D
letzgetum
11-20-2007, 05:22 PM
There is a 'black ops' hypnosis beyond what has been discussed.
But I can't tell if you were asking about it or not?
Have you read my FAQ?
The black ops that I was talking about was http://www.coverthypnosis.net/ that kind of stuff. In my limited knowledge I would concider it social engineering. The reason I asked if there was free info was because I would like to make sure a book like this isnt a crock before I buy it. This is the article I came across that got me interested http://hypnosiscontrol.com/covert-hypnosis-revealed-in-action-a-simple-card-trick/ That is the kind of stuff I am interested in. Again, thank you all so much for your time.
letzgetum
11-20-2007, 05:26 PM
Yes, I did read the FAQ, very informative, thank you for the recomendation.
And in regards to who is the "Um" we are getting, this is an old name that I use for most things, it was orginally created for scam baiting which basically, messing with the Nigerian scam emails so they don't scam anyone else.
SS is easy. Wave money, get woman, leave money, go to GU clinic.
Or...wave money, get woman, get beaten up and robbed by boyfriend, go to hospital.
Or..wave money, get woman, pretend woman is interested in you, spend money on woman, lose money, lose woman, get more money and do same thing all over again before realising that you can write a book and run courses about SS and get enough money to fuel your fantasy for ever, or at least until you are old and wrinkled and alone.
Then see a good hypnotherapist to change the trance you have been in to a more useful one.
Jack
Merlin
11-21-2007, 10:10 AM
Thanks for the response.
There are many similar websites.
Hypnosis, Voodoo, etc.
While different names are used, reading their programs/newsletters soon reveals it's from the same person.
Mostly they are gimmicks to sell stuff and offer very little.
I offer a recommended booklist (http://s91495364.onlinehome.us/Hypnosisforum/Booklists/Myhrrhleine%27s.htm), as does Skip (http://s91495364.onlinehome.us/Hypnosisforum/Booklists/Skip%27s.htm).
The books can be had from the library (for free) and offer far more.
Better still is to start with a hypnosis training.
Far more can be learned there.