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welshguymikey
10-25-2004, 03:47 AM
i have come across muscle reading for teh first time, but cant find much information on it, does any one know of any websites on this topic or even what it is or how to do it
Merlin
10-25-2004, 08:35 AM
> does any one know of any websites on this topic
No
>or even what it is or how to do it
Yes
welshguymikey
10-25-2004, 08:49 AM
> does any one know of any websites on this topic
No
>or even what it is or how to do it
Yeslol, thankyou for your most informative reply merlin. i can see it is goint to be hard to get anything out of you without being specific so...
tell me specifically what muscle reading is and how to do it please
thankyou
Simple Guy
10-25-2004, 08:50 AM
You may be referring to applied kinesiology. If so, you can do a web search
on it. Its use as a medical diagnostic tool is outside of the scope of
practice of hypnotherapy.
welshguymikey
10-25-2004, 08:53 AM
You may be referring to applied kinesiology. If so, you can do a web search
on it. Its use as a medical diagnostic tool is outside of the scope of
practice of hypnotherapy.
i will take a look later, thanx
I always find it curious that people come up with comments that are obscure--"I just found out about such and such"--insteads of just saying what it is they're describing and expect people to give responses. I've seen people use abbreviations without describing them or make assumptions that a brief description, such as "muscle reading" is enough to let people fully understand what they're talking about.
Oh well...
In any event, I know of at least two thing which are referred to as "muscle reading." The first is used by magicians. It is also known as "Hellstromism" and "Contact Mind Reading." In the occult book by William Walker Atkinson on mind reading, he suggests starting out with this as it will lead to true mind reading. Even some of the books for magicians on Hellstromism hint at that possibilty, moving from direct contact between people, to contact through a solid object (such as a broomstick), to contact through a flexible object (such as a handkerchief), to simple eye contact.
Muscle reading, also known as kinesiological testing or kinesics (and should not be confused with kinesiology) is the technique of testing muscle strength and determining, supposedly, allergies based on weaknesses determined when substances are brought forth or even mentioned. This is expanded to deaing with types of psychological counseling.
If you mean the former, it is more appropriately dealt with on forums for magicians. If the latter, it is certainly appropriate here, although it should go into the other topics forum.
welshguymikey
10-25-2004, 08:59 AM
I always find it curious that people come up with comments that are obscure--"I just found out about such and such"--insteads of just saying what it is they're describing and expect people to give responses. I've seen people use abbreviations without describing them or make assumptions that a brief description, such as "muscle reading" is enough to let people fully understand what they're talking about.
Oh well...
In any event, I know of at least two thing which are referred to as "muscle reading." The first is used by magicians. It is also known as "Hellstromism" and "Contact Mind Reading." In the occult book by William Walker Atkinson on mind reading, he suggests starting out with this as it will lead to true mind reading. Even some of the books for magicians on Hellstromism hint at that possibilty, moving from direct contact between people, to contact through a solid object (such as a broomstick), to contact through a flexible object (such as a handkerchief), to simple eye contact.
Muscle reading, also known as kinesiological testing or kinesics (and should not be confused with kinesiology) is the technique of testing muscle strength and determining, supposedly, allergies based on weaknesses determined when substances are brought forth or even mentioned. This is expanded to deaing with types of psychological counseling.
If you mean the former, it is more appropriately dealt with on forums for magicians. If the latter, it is certainly appropriate here, although it should go into the other topics forum.
the reason i have not said what muscle reading is is because i dont really know what it is, it has somethign to do with Mentalism so i guees the latter in ur post is correct. thankyou
guest
09-02-2005, 06:06 AM
well i just watched criss angel mindfreak and he has interested me on many things my hellstromism has cought my eye like nothing other can anyone help me here?
Unregister
09-02-2005, 06:40 AM
get corinda's '13 steps to mentalism' for more info, though there is some legal website that tells you how to it(french i think) so keep searching.
The effect Criss Angel presented as Hellstromism has been used for a long time by many other magicians. One magician would have his paycheck hidden by a theater manager and then give the appearance of using Hellstromism to find it.
The truth is, Hellstromism is iffy at best, and no superior magician would chance their livelihood (or a car) on something where all aspects are not 100% under their control.
Hellstromism (also known as muscle reading or contact mind reading) does work. I have several small books on the subject, some of which are exclusive to the magic profession, do not have an ISBN, and are not available if you don't know where to find them. I have used it successfully--and for fun--on numerous occasions.
However magic tricks are the simulation of real (or imagined) skills for the entertainment of an audience. There are secret devices available (ranging in price from several hundred to several thousand dollars) that allow you to present the effect of Hellstromism without having to spend the time learning the skill or dealing with people who fight your instructions. Devices such as that--a closely guarded secret of the magical profession--are used by pros such as Angel.
Simple Guy
09-02-2005, 07:51 PM
Hi Don,
Do you know or believe that these devices are accurate and, if so, to
what degree?
Cassandra 8
09-03-2005, 03:02 AM
the reason i have not said what muscle reading is is because i dont really know what it is, it has somethign to do with Mentalism so i guees the latter in ur post is correct. thankyouCorinda's "Thirteen Steps To Mentalism" has a chapter on it.
no1important
11-11-2005, 11:17 AM
who else has ben successful in hellsromism?
I have a few rare books on the subject and have had limited success. The effect I like to do is have a person select a card from ten cards chosen at random in a deck. I fan them out and hold them in my left hand so the person can see the faces of the cards.
I hold my right hand 6"-1' about the cards, and have the person loosely hold the wrist of that hand. Then, I have them concentrate on the card they selected. After a few moment I drop my right hand quickly to the fan of cards. I get the chosen card about 70% of the time.
Pdrive
11-12-2005, 03:09 AM
Ive done that one as a party trick too - if you can combine the muscle reading with some other kind of legitimate mind reading/observing body-language technique, you can get within the 90-99% accuracy mark.
Pdrive, depending upon the effect (and a carefully selected subject), you can get up to that rate...However, if I'm doing any sort of trick that requires Hellstromism, I always have an "out." For this type of trick I use something called "K.E.N.T.," which, in spite of the wonderful ad for it, still requires a great deal of audacity and misdirection to perform (IMO).
As a side note, I have somewhere a book on mind reading (I believe it was by William Walker Atkinson or his AKA Swami Ramacharaka) that begins with a great introduction to Hellstromism (although not called that) and then moves slowly to non-contact (!) muscle reading with increasing distance. Curiously, it is a mostly-overlooked metaphysical book rather than a magic book.