In a footnote in 'whispering in the wind'

[MrDigital]

Grinder /Bostic 'We are aware that with discipline training and/or the use of hypnotic patterning it is possible to influence portions of ones physiology at levels well before First Access (FA). Development of this topic is well beyond the scope of this book.'

I mean how influential can we be before FA?

How could you defend against that kind of influence (that being a little ambiguous at the mo i realize..

My lack of understanding of this statement sent a chill through my system...

MrD

[Terry]

Not having read the book, all I see is a bunch of words which could mean anything until put together with other words also used. I preffer not to hassard a guess....

[Poodle]

Not wanting to go look it up, what is first access. First access to what? Could this be referring to "organ language" or could it be on some of our more interesting topics that our lovely Merlin has brought up....possibilities GALORE! Now that really does make my spine tingle.

[MrDigital]

It could be possibly something to do with the unconscious being able to operate/process much faster than the conscious...

I have indirect (at the moment ) contact with John and Carmen so watch this space...

[Poodle]

We ALL know that for a FACT!

[MrDigital]

So if our we ALL know the unconscious mind can be influenced before First access i.e prior to any neurological transfers then can we have the HOW ?

Regards

MrD

[MrDigital]

transforms not transfers :(

[Poodle]

Could he possibly be referring to "organ language"?

Could be WHY I have been unable to finish any of his books.

[Docresults]

So if our we ALL know the unconscious mind can be influenced before First access i.e prior to any neurological transfers then can we have the HOW ?

Regards

MrD

How do we know anything? (Depends on the model one chooses to use.)

And how do we ALL know the unconscious mind can be influenced before FA?

Someone puts it forth and it may be true and for me influence is not the concern, but connection with one's Inner Being (or the amount of congruency of totality -mind, body, spirit) as the arbiter of decision of success or defeat in one's life.

I suspect the more congruent one is the less influence-able one is from external forces. Not that data/information is not taken in but that data/information is less important than where one is and where one wants to be. The data/information would be calibrated to those two points and the date used to move one closer to one's outcome.

Consider...
The more one is in alignment with themselves (congruent, etc.) the less worry there needs to be about influence from outside. Or to use other models when one perceives themselves as everything, everything happens within the individual and therefore it is all within one's control and not, all at the same time.

To Your Best,
Doc

[MrDigital]

Page 133 section 6 Titled: A sharpened alertness for unusual events.

After reading this I think I may be on the right tracks. This section gives explanation as to a client/student he is working with who suffers with a visual impairment (myopia - lack of distance vision). He uses hypnotic regression and takes her back to her childhood using classic Ericsonian patterning. He gets her to open her eyes at that point and she is struggling to see clearly and becoming slightly distressed - he realises she is wearing contact lenses. Next, he brings her back has her take the lenses out then takes her back to the previous trance.

However, intuitively he asks Maribeth to read some book titles at the other side of his room and she cant make them out. Then proceeds to take her back - open her eyes (in regressed state) and read the book titles - she does easily.. Brings her back and aske her to fill in a form with really small writing on it which she fills in without her lenses.

So based on an intuition regarding the contact lenses, his outcome is to influence portions of her physiology before (FA) for UC learning. After that he re-enforces his intuity by handing her a sheet with small writing on and again the antecedent stimulus is to elicit a learned response from Maribeth.

Maybe :o

[Poodle]

I would really be glad to know if there were any follow up on this matter. If you look at another thread I mentioned that Bandler has done it but says it is not permanent while a person that has trained with Tad James says he has done it and it did. I would love to know if Dr. G. has kept up with this person for any permanent findings. Thanks! Pood