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How do you recomend to apply a posthypnotic effect once the subject is hypnotised? Advice would be much apreciated. Thanks
Merlin
09-15-2007, 12:24 PM
Suggest it.
Terry
09-15-2007, 01:11 PM
Your posts suggest that having read about hypnosis, you want to try it? Nothing wrong with that except that when you ask us "how do you", you are asking us to train you, and that we can't do except on a face to face basis. Secondly, without training you are very dangerous to those you choose to practise on, usually friends and relatives.
Problem is, if we assist you in any way, we become enablers.... Now it is your right to stay... or change, but it is also our right to choose not to become enablers. I choose to say straight out, that I have no intention of being your enabler, and suggest you change....
Josh, your request is so general it would be difficult to know where to start. It's sort of like saying you know how to use a saw and asking how to make a bird house. What type of bird? For how many birds? Do you know where you are going to put it? Do you know how to finish wood with primer and paint?
My guess is that you have a specific question about one or more specific suggestions for a specific situation. C'mon! Let us in on what you really want instead of keeping it a secret! :)
We can't really advise without know exactly what you want.
Poodle
09-15-2007, 05:43 PM
Merlin gave you the perfect and accurate answer. That's it. Now you have to get them hypnotized. Word suggestions so they are not rejected by the inner-mind and you got it. This equals about US$15,000 to $20,000 and a few years of your life not counting books. You see, Jason, we have a problem and that problem is that we will never stop learning. Every client is a new learning experience as are reading certain books for the 10th time and newer books the first time and continuning studying. We study case histories in medicine, we study human beings and we just never quit. :)
Ok, well for instance, I would like to help someone with self esteem. Using triggers to initiate certain emotions that will help with meeting new people and coping bettering in difficult and/or awkward situations. As for reference, my main reading source at the moment is "The practice of hypnotism (second edition)" by Andre M. Weitzenhoffer. Thank you for your replies. Terry, I am going to be taking a course soon but for now this is what I have. Thanks again.
Terry
09-17-2007, 06:44 AM
Josh, being eager to help a friend, is both kind and commendable, but it just won't cut it if you don't have what it takes to help in such a manner as to succeed.
Reading a book, or even a hundred books will not give you skill, only knowledge, and that is insufficient to help someone cope with the problem you mention. Yes we could tell you how, but that would be foolish on our part, since we know nothing of this friend, and you might just as well buy them a tape, something with is also likely to be unsufficient for the job...
When you take a course of training, you will be just at the gate, and will still need much practise to become good.
I suppose I might put it this way, helping a friend cut his steak with your knife, which is just as blunt as his, would be of no help. You need a sharper knife for the job. Go get the sharpener.....Training that is........
Josh, one of the problems many people have when first coming to the study of hypnotherapy (and this may be just as much the responsibility of the writers/teachers, as it is of the students) is trying to understand the difference between a client-oriented technology and a process-oriented technology.
The practice of psychotherapy, as much as the practitioners may disagree, is deeply rooted in process. An important text for all psychotherapists is known as the DSM IV which not only gives keys to diagnosis, but also predicts the method and length of treatment that should be used! This is used by insurance companies for determining how much they will pay for.
Do you notice anything missing in this? What's missing is the uniqueness of the client. It assumes that all people are the same--like machines--and they all get the same treatment. When I take my car in for service, they diagnose it and determine how much the repair will cost, including the cost of parts and the length of time the repair will take, before they even start the work! The car is a machine. In Process-oriented therapies, the client it treated just like a machine.
In hypnotherapy, however, the focus is client-oriented. Good hypnotherapists tend to learn several methods of hypnotherapy so rather than having a book determine what kind of therapy and how long the therapy for a client should last, everything is focused on the client and his/her specific needs.
In practice, this means that you could get two clients who come in presenting the exact same behaviors they want to change. After an in-person interview with the clients, the trained and experienced hypnotherapist may determine that each needs different induction methods, different suggestions, and different ways of presenting the suggestions.
This is why hypnotherapy is more than something that can be learned in a weekend and more than something that can be learned from a book or two.
With this information, then, let's look at your request: "I would like to help someone with self esteem. Using triggers to initiate certain emotions that will help with meeting new people and coping bettering in difficult and/or awkward situations."
There are several issues here.
1) You are assuming that all people are the same--machines--and a single technique or set of techniques will help them. This is process-oriented rather than client oriented.
2) None of us have interviewed the client. We have absolutely no way of knowing what he or she is dealing with. It would be unethical to provide a mode of treatment that may not help the client at all.
3) The "presenting problem" is one of self-esteem, but the presenting problem is often not the actual problem. It may only be a symptom of the actual problem, and eliminating the presenting problem could result in the actual problem manifesting in different ways that could be even more problematic to the client. We have no way of knowing if you have done an appropriate in-depth interview with the client or if your focus on self-esteem is the appropriate one.
4) You say the person's problem is self-esteem, but that it manifests as difficulty in meeting new people and dealing with difficult situations (without saying what those situation might actually be--this is far too general, my friend). Self-esteem may be involved in these issues, but it may also simply be that the person does not have certain behavioral skills to deal with them and self-esteem problems are actually just a manifestation of lack of skills.
For example, your client may not know how to easily establish a friendly discussion with new people. The lack of these skills may result in feelings of lack of self-esteem. Working on emotions (as you suggest) and self-esteem is not going to give this person the knowledge of asking about a person's family, interests, work, studies, etc.
Josh, right now Terry is absolutely correct. It's wonderful that you have a strong desire to learn hypnosis and help people. I think those are the qualities any good hypnotherapist needs to have. But right now, even with your desire and your reading, you don't seem to understand the difference between process-orientation and client-orientation, you don't seem to understand the relationship between actual problems and presenting problems.
You're really at a great point in your life. You're highly motivated, interested, and desire to help. But the next step is not going into practice, the next step is getting training.
Good luck!
I understand that the actual process needs to be moulded around the individual person. Mabe i didnt make my original question direct enough. Once I have someone hypnotised, in what way can i suggest it. For instance, would it be very direct, such as "once you wake up you will feel more open and content with youself (obviously specific wording with more thought put into it) or are we talking using a story based application? I understand that there may be many ways of doing it. I was more interested in the meathods that are commonly used.
Poodle
09-17-2007, 09:53 AM
What is it? Not being in the "in" group, not having the "perfect" clothes, not having the "perfect car", not having the "perfect home, not having the "perfect" hair, not having the absolutely "perfect nose", body parts too little or too big, ad nauseum??
In languages where those words do not exist, all believe themselves to be the most beautiful in the whole world regardless of anything, as there is nothing in their language that says differently.
Could you perhaps be "thinking" of confidence by chance? Pood :rolleyes:
Merlin
09-17-2007, 09:56 AM
It's good to want to help someone :)
But working with the human mind is complex.
Using triggers to initiate certain emotions that will help with meeting new people and coping bettering in difficult and/or awkward situations.
Now, is this a lack of emotions/skills?
Which new skills/emotions are needed in this context?
Or
Is there already one or more emotions which are blocking an appropriate response?
Or
A current strategy or set of strategies which do not serve and need changing?
See, there are dozens of potential issues which could be at play.
Which one(s)?
Terry
09-17-2007, 08:37 PM
Josh, I gave you a very simple explanation, and Don repeated the same thing in different words to ensure complete understanding, yet still you ask the same question in different words. YES we did understand what you wanted, and NO we are unable to accomodate you.
Now I must ask you, are you unwilling to believe what we say, or are you deficient in language skills? If the later, you will find this a barrier to becoming a good practitioner since language is a large part of our practise..
OK Terry, 'good' is as good or better than 'competent'.;)
Jack