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pinktrance
10-10-2004, 05:45 AM
yea, hi everyone, i am in the midle of reading a book called "reliving past lives" by helen wambach, its so interesting, she has done 1000 studys on past life regresion and its all done quite scientifically, she was specifically looking for evidence that could be checked out against records etc.
in her findings she discovered that as she was leading clients into imagery etc, alot of them reported that they were getting ahead of what she was going to say (telepathy) i wondered if anyone on this board has experienced telepathy with their clients, she also said that she had to be careful of her thoughts and feelings as they would often be transfered to the client also. Another thing Helen experiments with is getting herself and others into a hypnotised state and then using a pen and paper, the results were messages suposedly from another dimention. (facinating) have any of you people experimented with such phenonomin (i think i better give up on the spelling of that one)
cheers for any replies
pinky:)
pinktrance,
Without revealing how I personally feel about past life regression, I must ask.
If Ms Wambauch did over 1000 scientific studies on past life regression, then I must assume reincarnation (past life) was proven to be valid.
If you know, how was this proving done?
skip
pinktrance
10-10-2004, 07:27 AM
well.......she regressed 1000 people and recorded the results using the same questions for each subject. She asked what date they were alive, what they were wearing, what food they ate and also asked about houses and terrain, major life changes etc. What she found was that there was an equal distribution between males and females through out, most people were just normal field workers, servants etc (not all cleopatra). when some subjects described what they were wearing what colour then skin was etc, it didnt always fit in with the geographic area they claimed to lived in but on further research she found out other wise from history books etc. I feel im not describing this very well, but she never really professed to beliving in past lives she just recorded her findings. Another thing that i found interesting in the book was her study of a five year old that didnt comunicate with anyone and when she did hypnosis on him he spoke in a dialect not normally associated with the age, but it turned out this five year old was not happy to be in his body, that he had been an intelligent independant man in his last life and just simply resented being in such a dependant state, after helen had worked with him for a few sessions he bacame a normal happy five year old. I think prior to this the five year old had been branded autistic which raised all sorts of questions and thought processes in my head. I dont know if im a beliver but i am interested in anything new that sparks thought.
cheers pinky:)
Pinky,
OK.
See to me doing a past life regression, presupposes past lives.
And I have my beliefs about it, but so far scientifically, it seems as if the jury is still out.
I have yet to hear of a study, that shows someone actually knowing difinitive knoweledge of a time and place and details that they would have no other way of knowing.
Absense of difinitive evidence doesnt mean there is no past life.
But I do think that by noe, if there were, with as much interest as there is in it, we would have more than just anecdotal evidence.
That said, past life regression, validity, when viewed as a metaphor, is irrelevent, in so far as truth is concerned. It provides a wonder full metaphor for change work, and if a client has the belief that something in their past life is causing them problems, why fight the belief, when you can enter into that model and effect the desired change from within it.
skip
Merlin
10-10-2004, 03:32 PM
Yes.
I've experienced the above.
Merlin
10-10-2004, 03:45 PM
Hi Skip,
There are many possible other sources for the information a person has from another person's past life.
As for >I have yet to hear of a study, that shows someone actually knowing difinitive knoweledge of a time and place and details that they would have no other way of knowing.
there have been some (the references don't come to mind) but posessing such information indicates posession of such information, but not necessarily a past life.
An interesting test is to ask about their money.
If they claim to be living in England (for instance) ask them about coins how many pennys= a shilling and such). Someone from a past life would obviously know. Those imagining wouldn't know.
That method reduces, but does not eliminate the possibility of past lives.
For instance, psychic connections (remote viewing or similar) could allow personal information, but likely not money.
OTOH a spiritual 'attachment' (not to be confused with posession) would likely know of the money, but still not be a past life/reincarnation situation).
pinktrance
10-10-2004, 04:10 PM
i am sorry skip but what you just said made no sense to me whatsoevermaybe im stupid or something but i cant understand what you are actually trying to say, i have a problem rembering the word articulate let alone spelling it, i dont want to come across as stupid here, im trying to be honest, i love this subject but i dont know all the long words, and i dont profess to have lived a million years ago, i just find stuff interesting and wonder what others views are.
cheers pinky (neck on line):o
student_of_hypnosis
10-10-2004, 05:38 PM
I find past life regression fastinating and am very glad you brought it up. It's one of the main reason I started reading these forums. I read in a book in my local library "Bio Amazements" which has a chapter on hypnosis and of that about a page on age regression and about a quater of that page on past life regression (the point is my knowledge is very limited). Still I was going to bring it up but I first wanted to do a bit more research on it see if I could find a bit more about it so I didn't just have a few paragraph of text to use but as you may imagine typing "past life" and such in a search engine just doesn't work well.
Personally I feel that it's real just because I find that would be more interesting the case I read about the person remember herself as a person named Birdie who lived in Ireland and the main reason they thought it may not be true was because she said american words such as "candy" (personally I'm one who thinks perhaps they in fact used the word "candy" in that small town at that time).
I have a few questions (student_of_hypnosis thing coming in here) I hope someone will be able to answer:
Has any one ever claimed to be a diffrent skin color after regression?
What is the average time people are regressed to (maeaning like do people generally go back 100 years or any semi-standered number such as that)?
Is any one ever well off in their regression (I'm yet to have heard any who is rich at all when regressed)?
Has any one ever claimed to be of the opposite gender after regressed?
Has any one ever been regressed back to two life times (meaning have they ever been regressed say back to a early 1800's english person then further regresswed to a 1500's German slave)?
and last but not least
Will an ordinary hypnothearpist be willing to regress you to a past life, record what information you gave and then give you the information for a decent price (could you give me a range of prices I could hope for)?
Merlin
10-10-2004, 07:34 PM
>What is the average time people are regressed to (maeaning like do people generally go back 100 years or any semi-standered number such as that)?
it can be any amount
>Is any one ever well off in their regression (I'm yet to have heard any who is rich at all when regressed)?
Occasionally
>Has any one ever claimed to be of the opposite gender after regressed?
Yes
>Has any one ever been regressed back to two life times (meaning have they ever been regressed say back to a early 1800's english person then further regresswed to a 1500's German slave)?
sometimes
>and last but not least
Will an ordinary hypnothearpist be willing to regress you to a past life, record what information you gave and then give you the information for a decent price (could you give me a range of prices I could hope for)?
Some will, some won't
Probably $50-500
Hello Pink,
PLR is a fascinating area for research simply because as Skip has said, 'the jury is still out'.
My own experiences of it for what they are worth is that sometimes clients will spontaneously regress to a past life, real or imagined, and find the answer to their problem. That's good enough for me. Belief doesn't come in to it.
Having personally experienced PLR several times I am still undecided whether these lives are real or not. The experience can be vivid, occupying all the senses, but I have to confess that in mine there was nothing that could not be ascribed to memory. Colleagues have said that some of their experiences have been totally new and unusual, and I accept that this is their belief.
Ultimately, PLR is a tool for therapy and however it works it can help clients resolve problems. Would be nice to know how it works though.
Jack
Whle it would be nice to know how it works, I think it is far more important to know how to work with it.
Most people don't know how internal combustion engines work, but have no problem using them to help mow lawns or drive to work. Most people don't know what a register in a CPU is, but have no problem using a computer.
Sometimes we just "black box" it. We don't know what goes on in the black box, but we know that if we do something and put it into the black box then a certain result will come out.
pinktrance
10-11-2004, 01:08 PM
so do you guys all use plr then in your practices? if so have you had any problems with people, ive read that when problems do occur it is often during regression, ie: people that had athsma in childhood could have an attack etc.
cheers for all the replys, great to hear everyones thoughts
pinky:)
pinktrance, although there are many ways to actually do PLR, there are two broad categories known as associated and dissociated (sometimes mistakenly called disassociated). In the associated form, the client experiences PLR by reliving it, including all of the experiences associated with it such as pain, asthma, etc. In the dissociated form of PLR, the client takes a 3rd person view of the experience. That is, the client observes rather than experiences the past life. As an observer, the client does not experience what happened, just observes. The client does not have the experiences. While this is completely safe, it may not have as cathartic an element as when associated.
pinktrance
10-12-2004, 01:14 AM
i see, thanks don :D
I want to know it all, Don. The how, why, when, what, where. I agree that most people don't know how the internal combustion engine works, but the chap who does won't be stuck on the motorway in the rain waiting for the breakdown truck.
Jack.
Pink,
Some years ago I had a client with asthma and my treatment was achieving absolutely no benefit for him. I'd thrown most of the bag at the problem with zero effect. In desperation I did PLR and we wandered about through several past lives, all of which were banal and inconsequential form the point of view of the asthma.
But we finally came upon the 'life' that was relevant. My client was on a tall masted ship in the hold with many other people of all ages. It was around the 1840s but there was no accurate gauge of exactly when. The weather was rough and there was the smell of puke and faeces in the darkness below decks. (there were many more details but I will omit them for brevity).
My client was being violently sick as were many others but 'she' wanted to get up on deck to get the fresh air, even though the hatches were closed. This was a desperate need because she couldn't breathe and she began to climb some stairs leading to the hatch. The stairs were wet with human produce and she slipped and fell several feet back into the hold, as she fell she caught a child and the child fell after her and onto her chest. Now she could not breathe at all ( she had cracked ribs I think) and the other people in the hold were too occupied with their own problems to worry about her. She was screaming. Some time later she died with her chest 'afire', unable to breathe.
As my client regressed he was there, first person and reacted accordingly.
When he came out he remembered all of it, and almost had an asthma attack, but didn't. He came to see me two weeks later and had not had an asthma attack for that time. He still had his ventolin, but it was unused. Check up at 3 and 6 months, and still no attack. He remembered vividly being a woman and found it quite amusing but couldn't consciously remember dying.
Now, you can make of that what you will. The important thing was that a resolution was achieved by him internally, which ultimately is what all therapy is about. That was, however, just one instance, with one individual, so should not be taken as the Holy Grail.
Jack
pinktrance
10-12-2004, 03:56 AM
thats amazing jack, whether past lives are real or imagined, if the subconscious found a way to sort it, through making up a story like that, and it got rid of it thats truly amazing!
pinktrance et al,
You said the key.
It really doesnt matter if PLR is 'real', true or not, unless you are searching for some cosmic significance.
It is a metaphor, that can be used to address some issues that might not be reached at any other way. If the person believes in PLR, then work from within that framework. If not, then dont.
Dont ever forget, the change that occurrs, does so in the here and now, irregardless of where the individuals imagination is.
I want to know it all, Don. The how, why, when, what, where. I agree that most people don't know how the internal combustion engine works, but the chap who does won't be stuck on the motorway in the rain waiting for the breakdown truck.
Jack.
That depends upon whether the problem is a blown fuse or a blown valve! Sometimes just knowing doesn't help. You also need to have the tools to fix the problem and the knowledge of the steps necessary to make the change.
Wait a moment...is this auto repair or hypnotherapy? Seems that in some ways they are metaphorically the same.
:D
Merlin
10-12-2004, 07:39 PM
Hello Pink one,
Did I ever say pink is my favorite colour?
I've noticed all the answers are therapy oriented, though I couldn't tell that was what you seek.
PLR is common for recreational hypnosis. People love to find out about their past lives. Some hypnotists make a career out of recreational PLRs.
When it comes to healing, some hypnotists do it every time.
Other hypnotists just suggest regression to the source of the problem.
Sometimes it's a PLR. But they don't suggest PLR, it just happens.
There are hypnotists who do not believe in PLR and never do it.
They seem to be successful in there work regardless.
Some people (cultures) don't seem to have past lives (I wonder why)?
I just use whatever the client's mind brings up.
If a PLR 'fixes' their issues, great! If not, great!
Psychic phenomina can happen during hypnosis, but I usually don't discuss such things unless it's in the 'other' thread group.
pinktrance
10-13-2004, 01:41 AM
thanks for the reply merlin, im not interested in one particular area, im interested in ALL of it, my brain wont turn off, i wake up in the morning wondering if reiki would work better on clients in a hypnotic state, i ponder over lunch wether hypnosis is the key to unlock and reach people with autisum, i cant stop, thinking im obsessed!!!!!!! need to get on with my work though, course finishes soon and im leaping ahead, should be studying stress management, smoking cessation etc!
pink is my favorite colour too, in fact ive got long magenta pink hair!:o
cheers pinky
With respect, Don, in my virtual universe where a Ferrari never (he laughed loudly) goes wrong I would of course be carrying every component of the vehicle ready to immediately fit it with the knowledge I had. What, when, how, where.
Of course, if it was reality and my car was a Skoda I would not bother opening the garage door!
Jack;)