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figure
09-05-2007, 10:33 PM
Hi friends! I have much more to learn in NLP. I figure i'll tackle TRANCE-formations next maybe after I finish Frogs into Princes or before Structure of Magic and Erickson's Patterns I. I've been reading people's views on nlp and some love it and others hate it with not many in between. Some people do not like it by crediting their statements with these links:
http://skepdic.com/neurolin.html
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/mentserv.html
What do you guys think?
Poodle
09-06-2007, 12:15 AM
Don't pay any attention to the nay-sayers. NLP is a wonderful technology. Anyone that knows and understands NLP will say the same. It's when people do not understand they try to label something. Some people even believe hypnosis could be EVIL and Satan and his friends could enter the mind during trance. These are just very ill informed people. Hypnosis in the hands of a skilled hypnotist is less dangerous than a good night's sleep.
Now, figure, you are mixing two separate things here. Frogs is about NLP. Trance-Formation and Erickson are about hypnosis. Structure of Magic is a very difficult read - it was Richard's dissertation. One is to read Chapter 4 back to front. It was his way of having a little fun with the boring. Structure of Magic II is an easier read. Read Frogs at least twice and let it digest. Then move on. It's a fun book and I think you will enjoy it. Pood :)
Hmmm. One denunciation from a debunker (who has, along with others of his ilk, usurped the term "skeptic" to describe their actions) and another from a retired psychiatrist who would find his finances and finances of his peers threatened.
Both, it seems, have agendas and neither, it seems provides access to support their positions.
What they are presenting, then, are not facts, but personal belief. You, of course, are free to either follow their beliefs or do research into the facts. Just as a person's unconscious motivations will "win" in a battle with conscious desires, so, too, will personal beliefs "win" in a battle with scientific, objective facts. It's the same reason that people demand that their children NOT be taught evolution--scientific fact counters religious belief.
Choose your side!
Terry
09-06-2007, 12:39 PM
I am curious, you come to a board such as this, where people DO the job, and you want our views? WHY? Are you not capable of forming an opinion on your own? If this be so, I suggest you are indeed wasting your time studying any of the helping professions.
Read novels, nobody demands that you form an opinion about them except as to if you like them or not...
Poodle
09-06-2007, 04:13 PM
"figure" is in Romania where all of this is uncharted waters. It's a good thing that "figure" can come here to honest practitioners and therapists to get totally truthful answers. There is a lot of garbage on the net about NLP and hypnosis and when people really have not learned yet there is room for BIG MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
Keep coming back here "figure" so you will always know the real truth. Hopefully you will be able to get real "live" training and be able to tell the difference yourself. We are not a teaching forum but we sure tell the truth and debunk the lies. Be well, Pood :)
Terry
09-06-2007, 06:07 PM
Pood, are you suggesting that Romanians are not as smart as we? As for Romania being outside the circle of knowledge regarding hypnosis, read "Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain". If memory serves me, that is were the work started on teaching language quickly via the use of Hypnotic techniques.. I have a tape of it somewere, but it is years since I read the book... Anyway figure's technique is what trolls use to get an argument going, and believe me people are the same all over....
Potato
09-06-2007, 06:16 PM
From the second site:
"Its core postulates are: (a) people are most influenced by messages that reflect how they internally represent whatever they are doing; and (b) this representation is reflected by eye-gaze patterns, posture, tone of voice, and language patterns."
Um...no, they're not
figure
09-06-2007, 07:47 PM
I can understand how you interpreted it that way. Actually, I really enjoy learning nlp and have my own opinion that it has given me new ways to view the world and lots of ways to communicate and it wouldn't be surpirising that a lot more is to come. What better place to post for a professional refute?
There is a lot more to come, and there is no better place to post.
Next question?
Jack
Merlin
09-08-2007, 08:23 AM
What do you guys think?
Gals too?
you want our opinion too?
anyway, Those who understand NLP will like it (IMO).
Those who reject it are doing so out of ignorance.
figure
09-08-2007, 09:09 AM
Yes gals too. Thanks everyone for your response.
JonRhodesUK
09-13-2007, 02:12 AM
I'm no expert on NLP, but I hear many criticisms of it being a collection of other disciplines such as hypnosis, psychoanalysis, CBT ect. Whether this is true or not, NLP has opened many people's eyes to different forms of therapy, and that cannot be such a bad things!
Why is saying that NLP is a collection of other disciplines a criticism? If you're looking for a tasty, sweet, desert to a meal and someone offers you a banana split, is it a criticism to say it's a collection of ice cream, bananas, hot fudge, whipped cream, and a maraschino cherry? I don't think so.
Poodle
09-13-2007, 08:54 PM
May I kindly suggest that you really do not know anything about NLP. I have never read or heard that psychology, CBT, etc. were mathematically formulated. Have you? There are, however, 49 books, that were the foundation of NLP which are listed in the Bibliography of Structure of Magic, Vol. 1. After you have personally read and completely understood all 49 books, you will know the roots of NLP but still totally lack in understanding how NLP works and why.
Fair deal? Pood :rolleyes: