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pmdigi
09-03-2007, 12:26 PM
If someone yells "Fire" in a theatre - would you say that is a fast induction which excludes relaxation?
Simon
09-03-2007, 12:38 PM
As I see it, it's definitely a form of instant induction, knowing that it bypasses the CF.
In my opinion instant inductions never include relaxation by themselves, but it is however usually utilized after the induction.
If someone yells "Fire" in a theatre - would you say that is a fast induction which excludes relaxation?
No. It is simply someone shouting 'Fire'. The conscious processes the word, compares it to a range of meanings and decides on an action. That action may be to run for the doors, or it may be to stand around looking confused or to seek out the source of the supposed fire. There is no conscious bypass since it is logically correct to perform a conscious avoiding action when faced with a possible threat to survival.
Jack
Simon
09-04-2007, 03:13 AM
Jack can you elaborate on why it doesn't count as an instant induction?
My perspective is that the only difference the hypnotist would do is to use the induced state and lead the person from there.
With the "Fire!" shouted the mind is altered, but the state is not utilized.
Or am I wrong?
Because it is not an induction, Simon. It is a word used in a particular situation and evaluated on a conscious level. The conscious is not bypassed since it is involved in the decision on a logical level whether to take an action, or not.
If I shout 'Great White Shark!' in an indoor swimming pool, swimmers will process that and decide if the likelihood of a shark in the pool is high or low, on a conscious level. A few people of low intelligence may vacate the pool, and a few more who are ultra cautious or over imaginative may also head for the side, but most will not. However, if I pre-hypnotised every swimmer to believe that my shouting 'Shark!' really meant that there was a shark in the pool or even a dangerous man eating cabbage, then the majority would rush for the sides.
Of course, a few souls would ignore my suggestions entirely since they were not hypnotised.
When 'Fire' or 'Shark' or 'Banana' is shouted then the effect upon individuals will be different. But the shouting of these words merely creates a word to be processed, not to bypass the CF. After all, that is why it is called the critical faculty - it is critical of input.
However, you may not be wrong, a few people may enter a state approximating an hypnotic one when a particular word is shouted simply because the trances they have experienced throughout their lives are linked to that word.
Jack
Terry
09-04-2007, 08:27 AM
Jack is of course correct, but forgot one thing. To shout "fire" in a theatre or public place of any sort, is a criminal offence, punishable by a jail sentence, so don;t do it.....:D
It wouldn't be a fast induction, but for some it might be a fast exit.
Me, most likely I would be the confused one looking to see the fire:)
Connie
09-04-2007, 10:31 AM
I would "read" the voice to get my meaning from the word. The volume, the timbre, the pitch, the passion, and unfortunately, probably also the sex and age of the voice...if it appeared to be a male adolescent voice, I'd also be the one looking around first.
I would expect the firing squad members to pull their respective triggers and hear the resulting rifle reports.
Connie
09-04-2007, 12:56 PM
..and hear the resulting rifle reports.
You wouldn't see anything additionally because you're the one wearing the blind fold? :eek:
Potato
09-05-2007, 07:43 PM
Connie: "...if it appeared to be a male adolescent voice, I'd also be the one looking around first."
Hey!
Connie
09-06-2007, 12:15 AM
Hey!
Hey!, backatcha! :) I said "unfortunately." I don't want to think that way, age and sex profiling who's likely to pull a stunt like a fake fire alarm. But, I'm admitting that's in my mind; if I heard fire, I'd want to know who is saying it as part of the validity evaluation.
Potato
09-06-2007, 06:08 PM
But, I'm admitting that's in my mind; if I heard fire, I'd want to know who is saying it as part of the validity evaluation.
Yeah, I know, me too :D and I am a male adolescent
Yeah, I know, me too :D and I am a male adolescent
I used to be one too. But the only words I responded to then were 'girls', 'drink' and 'football'.
Sadly, now I am older I only respond to the middle one.:)
Jack
Connie
09-07-2007, 03:51 AM
Hey, Jack. I'm sure you still "respond" to girls. ;)
Apart from the one I married, Connie, and the occasional poignant reminder when I see a familiar face from the past, alas no. I do respond consistently to honest souls, beauty, innocence and a good single malt whisky, however.:D
Jack
Merlin
09-08-2007, 08:13 AM
I would say no.
It is totally uncontrolled.
*some* people will be hypnotised.
Many won't.
There will be little rapport and even less suggestability.
Merlin
09-08-2007, 08:15 AM
No. It is simply someone shouting 'Fire'. The conscious processes the word, compares it to a range of meanings and decides on an action. That action may be to run for the doors, or it may be to stand around looking confused or to seek out the source of the supposed fire. There is no conscious bypass since it is logically correct to perform a conscious avoiding action when faced with a possible threat to survival.
Jack
Good answer :)