View Full Version : What do you think of these Sound and Light machines?
Connie
08-07-2007, 07:08 PM
My opinion is that it might be FUN and cool, but 100% unnecessary to enhance relaxation or induce trance or do anything useful. What do you think?
Terry
08-07-2007, 08:57 PM
My opinion is that it might be FUN and cool, but 100% unnecessary to enhance relaxation or induce trance or do anything useful. What do you think? They are about as usefull as a Chevreul Pendulum or a Rotating Hypnodisc, but much more expensive. You also need to be constantly aware of danger to some clients who suffer from vertigo or ephilepsy, since the flashing light is likely to bring on an attack. The hypnodisc can do the same.
If I needed more than what I carry with me at all times, I would consider myself to be a failure as a hypnotist. Yes, I know that some will consider that statement to be an afront, but it is how I see it, and that is what I stick with.
Connie
08-07-2007, 09:05 PM
If I needed more than what I carry with me at all times, I would consider myself to be a failure as a hypnotist.
We're simpatico, Terry. That's an extremely close approximation of what I just said to my hubby in the car. :) I said, you don't need anything, just me, and the client. Don't even need a chair, really---though that does add to comfort.
Poodle
08-07-2007, 09:13 PM
As a favorite teacher said: "If it plugs in, you probably don't need it in your practice." Pendulums can be enough to freak some clients out. That's another rather fun and rapid induction - Watch the Pendulum - if you happen to get bored a little with the "normals". Pood :eek:
I think some SLMs are brilliant! Most are rubbish. Nothing to do with hypnotherapy of course, but some will induce an altered state of awareness - call it hypnosis if you want - but then we can all do that without any paraphernalia in about 10 secs, can't we folks?
Sometimes I use a watch, Pood. I ask the client to look at the second hand and tell them that every second costs them money, 3-2-1, somnabulism:D
Jack
Poodle
08-08-2007, 10:43 AM
I LOVE that and it is sooo TRUE! :) Pood
pmdigi
08-08-2007, 12:51 PM
"I have devoted 35 years to developing tools to make the human brain more user friendly. I find the MindSpa to be of the most important new tools that can open the doorway to a better quality of life. I use the MindSpa on myself ........ I use the MindSpa on my clients. The results I get are astonishing. Better learning, sleeping, thinking ....... the list goes on and on. I intend to use this device to create opportunity, success, and freedom. Let the future be more wonderful!" Dr. Richard Bandler, Co-creator and Creative Genius of NLP
Poodle
08-08-2007, 05:59 PM
Dr. B. demonstrated this MindSpa at Trainer's Training on a lady. He did some catalyptic moves to her arms and then had her on the MindSpa. After it was over I asked her if she were indeed in "trance". She had no idea of what "trance" is and got really excited that I teach hypnotherapy as I am somewhat near her. The little machine has two speeds and she said she was on the "fast" speed. I found out NOTHING.
John LaValle said he used it and now can shave with his left hand. That's a lot of money to spend just to shave with the "other" hand. I'm pretty sure if one looks closely Dr. B. did not invent that little gizmo. They just sell it and for what purpose as of now I really cannot say.
In the quote he did not mention "trance", "hypnosis", "altered state of consciousness or awareness". Usually with me "seeing" is believing, but not in this case. It's just too darn expensive to take a guess and I have no idea why one needs the sunglasses to go with it. For what -- $30??
Still confused and wondering, Pood :confused:
Terry
08-08-2007, 09:57 PM
There will always be lazy people, looking for the easy and fast way instead of working for what they want. Consequently, there will also be people to cater to their needs. Such people are so good at conning others that they fool the scientists and other experts for a time also.
The final test of course, is "does it gives the results promised to a reasonable percentage of purchasers". The placebo effect will give some results always.
and I have no idea why one needs the sunglasses to go with it.
Because they look cool.
Oh, and because they cost $2 and sell for $30. Allegedly.
Jack
TaffyE
08-09-2007, 07:48 PM
I tried the light glasses once.
It gave me a hummdinger of a migrane :(
djiland
08-11-2007, 12:55 AM
Hello my neighbor Connie!
I agree that hypno toys can be FUN and Cool!!! And I agree that they are also not necessary. Words create therapeutic trance,.. all we need are words.
Steffan_Effenburg
08-11-2007, 08:03 AM
Dr. B. demonstrated this MindSpa at Trainer's Training on a lady. He did some catalyptic moves to her arms and then had her on the MindSpa. After it was over I asked her if she were indeed in "trance". She had no idea of what "trance" is and got really excited that I teach hypnotherapy as I am somewhat near her. The little machine has two speeds and she said she was on the "fast" speed. I found out NOTHING.
John LaValle said he used it and now can shave with his left hand. That's a lot of money to spend just to shave with the "other" hand. I'm pretty sure if one looks closely Dr. B. did not invent that little gizmo. They just sell it and for what purpose as of now I really cannot say.
In the quote he did not mention "trance", "hypnosis", "altered state of consciousness or awareness". Usually with me "seeing" is believing, but not in this case. It's just too darn expensive to take a guess and I have no idea why one needs the sunglasses to go with it. For what -- $30??
Still confused and wondering, Pood :confused:
I was thinking of buying one myself. Robert Anton Wilson used to speak highly of certain L/S machines as tools for consciousness change and I think I'm just gonna go ahead and try this one. It works out at about £170 I believe, not cheap but what the hell
Poodle
08-11-2007, 09:32 AM
170 Pounds would help get you into a good training or do you have a great desire to shave with the other hand for a change? I'm solidly in the Bandler camp but I sure don't swallow EVERYTHING hook, line and sinker.
There is also a hypnotist in the USA that has some kind of a sound machine for maybe US$175 that produces trance. It was presented at a convention to a group of hypnotists which makes me believe there are hypnotists that cannot recognize trance. I sent a DVD of the presentation to Connie so you can ask her of her take on it as she is much more into woo-woo than I am. Pood ;)
Steffan, although I haven't talked much about it here, there is, in my experience, a machine that produces incredible results. If you are really intent on getting a machine like no other, you might look on the internet for imformation on the "Dream Machine" as invented by Brion Gysin. It can easily be made for under 100 pounds.
Be aware, however, that there are claims that Kurt Cobain killed himself after using it for an extended period. But if you're going to get something, you may as well get something that really has an effect.
Simon
08-11-2007, 11:40 AM
If you are interested you should check this link out:
http://www.netliberty.net/dreamachine-view.html#
It's suggested to watch the pulses at 10Hz with closed eyes.
The disclaimer is right here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7KbJ_UMi3Y
Simon, although both of those videos are called Dream Machines, neither is anything like Brion Gysin's device. Gysin's Dream Machine also works with the shape of the light and is designed to completely take over the user's environment, not merely flash at him or her.
Comparing simple flashing lights to a Gysin Dream Machine is like finding a potato that you think looks like Jesus and claiming you have witnessed the Second Coming.:D
Comparing simple flashing lights to a Gysin Dream Machine is like finding a potato that you think looks like Jesus and claiming you have witnessed the Second Coming.:D
I have found such a potato. Together we have founded Spudology, a new religion based around the ingestion of psychedelic quantities of starch and the worship of tubers and root vegetables. Mock ye not, we have your name and address, unbeliever!
Jack
Simon
08-12-2007, 04:12 AM
Thank you Jack, I bet that Don can not give a counter argument to that! :D
Your potato be naught but decaying produce when compared to the worship of the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster. Why, the FSM already has a church and a web site:
http://www.venganza.org/
There is even a book, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, available, pages of support from the academic community, and the site features a Flash movie with instructions on how to follow the FSM by becoming a Pastafarian.
The FSM created the world in one day, in the form of a mountain, trees, and a midget. The He took three more days to create the universe (it took that long because it's so big) and then rested for three days. Some "scientists" believe the world is much older than it is because, in His wisdom, he uses his Noodely Appendages to change the results of the "scientific" studies. The site even prooves that global warming is directly related to the number of pirates around. Imprison a pirate and save the world, we Pastafarians say!
Mock ye not the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
Your false gods will be extinguished, dissolved into the unclean durum wheat slime from which they are constituted when the Archspud Trinity emerges from their billion year slumber under the towering pillars of Stonehenge. Why do you think all standing stones bear such a close resemblance to a french fry, eh? No trace of pasta there, oh ye of little faith!
The time is approaching. All those kaffir who do not believe will suffer the unbearable torments of a deep fryer for eternity, but those who are smeared with beef lard according to the rituals on the day of the Coming will be spared and entitled to free membership of Harry Ramsden's Fish and Chip Restaurant, Blackpool, for life.
Mark my words and hasten ye to the place of atonement: Your nearest Fish and Chip Shop. Or failing that fall down upon your face when the sun is darkened by the Golden Hordes of the Apocachip and cast forth the unclean spaghetti usurper upon the mercy of his crispness, the Mighty Archspud!
Jack
(A Chip off The Old Block)
Poodle
08-12-2007, 06:31 PM
When Soren was writing about a tomato, you mentioned FSM and I did not believe you. I guess I'll have to go with the FSM as I really don't care for taters. I prefer rice. Pood
If your "tuber god" is so great, where's his website.
Huh? Huh?
Huh?
Connie
08-12-2007, 11:14 PM
Google is our friend:
http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/potatogod/index.html
PotatoGod website.
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/5775/potatosi5.jpg
If your "tuber god" is so great, where's his website.
Huh? Huh?
Huh?
Damn! He or They forgot that. But notice how quickly He or They has or have responded. (He sends his thanks to Connie).
But, my faith is diminishing.
However, I still believe in Sweevo, the God of Cut Timber who although not posessing a website (and therefore no reality) is mentioned in several Discworld novels, and could if asked, squash any slimy pasta based deity you care to mention with a flick of a Brazilian mahogany two by four, if it were not politically incorrect to use rainforest timber instead of sustainable and registered forestry products.
And come to think of it Faith is only a minor mental aberration so I can maintain my belief in the Archspud who saith: 'Eat of my body, but make sure thou hast the vinegar and salt with which to anoint my brow, and the statins with which to dissolve my bounty of cholesterol', with only a few minor adjustments in my conception of logic and reason and admittedly a total repudiation of Plato.
So, stick to your condensed wheat powder (as you surely will), there is only or are only one or two, or maybe eight, truths, and Cut Timber and Tubers are but three. Spaghetti is a Lie.
Jack
Connie
08-13-2007, 08:18 AM
Here's what I worship:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/627/hersheyxq7.jpg
And here's what devotees wear to their prayer meetings:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2219/hersheykissr15563bc1.jpg
No Connie, that is what I wear to devotee meetings!
skip
Merlin
08-13-2007, 09:19 AM
Skip,
You'd look so precious in such an outfit!
Terry
08-13-2007, 09:27 AM
Believe it or not, I wear night attire, and this I will swear to...:D
Here is the symbol of your worship, Connie.
http://www.chocolate-history.co.uk/aztec-chocolate.htm
The Aztec God of Chocolatl. Note he is not wearing your oufit but is instead stuck to his seat whilst reaching for a cup of chocolatl forever just out of reach. Alternatively, he may be reaching for a bunch of french fries.
Jack