Anchoring Confusion

[precious]

I was looking at a videotaped seminar by Tom Vizzini from Essential Skills Group, and he gave an example to his audience that once he was in a coffee shop and he anchored confusion on the waitress, and every time she came at his table he fired the anchor and the waitress forgot what she had to bring to that table. I find this technique very interesting, and I would like to know more.

The fact that intrigued me is that I've read that before you fire an anchor you have to apply the anchor at least a few times to make that anchor powerful enough to send you in that state. Now he anchored a state in a few moments, and just once, and he got the result and the desired state. Please someone explain me how he can anchor something so fast ?!

Another great example of inducing confusion, amnesia, or anything that can make you don't remember things is here in Darren Brown - Trains... Of thought (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bkleuxpvxY&feature=PlayList&p=7F11E435D9DB3D08&index=11), but here I don't know for sure if he uses anchoring because I've already noticed the STOP thinking embedded command. Maybe someone can tell us more.

Another video example of anchoring amnesia is Anchoring Amnesia by Kenrick Cleveland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opRLUwAJhJY&feature=PlayList&p=7F11E435D9DB3D08&index=12).

Now let's see, maybe someone can help me figure out how this can be done, and if you have successful experiences with this please feel free to write, because my eyes can't wait to read every word.

Thanks !

[Poodle]

One can elicit ANY state and anchor it in many different ways - VAKO/G and spatially too.

You want to know more. What a wonderful statement. Let me do a little Mind Reading for you -- I see a NLP training in your future. In the meantime, stay curious. It's a lovely state as it is the state just before learning.

Be well, Pood

[precious]

You want to know more. What a wonderful statement. Let me do a little Mind Reading for you -- I see a NLP training in your future. In the meantime, stay curious. It's a lovely state as it is the state just before learning.

Please make a more useful post. You don't help me with a post like this. I don't want fairy tales. I want practical advice that can open my mind, and make me understand.

[Poodle]

please read Forum rules before posting. We don't teach or train. If you had any NLP training, what I wrote would make perfect sense to you. NLP is not a parlor game nor a bag of tricks to be played with for kiddies.

[precious]

please read Forum rules before posting. We don't teach or train. If you had any NLP training, what I wrote would make perfect sense to you. NLP is not a parlor game nor a bag of tricks to be played with for kiddies.

This is not the first forum where I'm a member, and I know that a forum is a community where usually people talk with each others on a specific topic, and the communication is made by asking and answering questions. In general moderators and older members help the new ones. That's the heart of the community.

I just had a few things that I didn't found on this forum ( and I've read every topic from the NLP forum to avoid talking about something that was already discussed ) and I hope that someone that has more knowledge can help me.

I don't know why you take me so hard. I'm a new user just registered today.

[Poodle]

I am not being "hard" on you. We do not train or teach. I don't care if you have been on a zillion forums. Those are Dr. Matt's rules and here we abide by the rules. Had I wished to be rude to you I would have told you to go ask Tom Vizzinni. If you really want to learn how, Dr. Matt trains in NLP as do others of us here.

I answered your question properly. It reads as if you just don't have the knowledge at this time to understand the answer. Now, if you want to reveal all your NLP and hypnosis trainings, people may be more gracious.

I also told you to look at my signature line, but apparently you don't understand that either. If you had read the WHOLE forum, you would recognize it for what it is.

1. Rapport
2. Elicit the state of CONFUSION
3. Anchor it by using V,A,K,O/G or space
4. Fire the anchor & test the anchor

[precious]

We do not train or teach.

Then what is the role of a moderator ? I know that a moderator should take care of community, and of course help the members solve their problems.

Now, if you want to reveal all your NLP and hypnosis trainings, people may be more gracious.

No training, because is really hard to find things like this in my country. NLP materials are like diamonds, very scarce, so what I've found on the internet, books, video seminars, articles.

1. Rapport
2. Elicit the state of CONFUSION
3. Anchor it by using V,A,K,O/G or space
4. Fire the anchor & test the anchor

Finally after 3 posts I've found something useful.

Now as I've said here :

The fact that intrigued me is that I've read that before you fire an anchor you have to apply the anchor at least a few times to make that anchor powerful enough to send you in that state. Now he anchored a state in a few moments, and just once, and he got the result and the desired state. Please someone explain me how he can anchor something so fast ?!

It is possible to just make a sign and have the person anchored from the first time ? Or you need to repeat that anchor a few times ?

[Poodle]

If the sign were the anchor (V), then yes.

Now, let me ask you a few questions. Exactly where do you live? Does your government not allow books into your country?

I am asking those questions for a very specific reason. We have a member, Simon, in Slovenia. Simon is very smart, in university and reads every book we have recommended on this Forum regarding NLP and hypnosis. He knows all about NLP and hypnosis. All he is lacking is the personal training and where he is now, he just may be helping the trainer train. It is very possible to get a lot of knowledge from books. Simon does not watch silly videos and Simon is not left wondering "how". Simon does not ask us "how". He may on occasion ask why something is this way instead of that way. Simon pays attention to what we write. One day I tried to fool Simon with a "book" answer. His comment was: That sounds very familiar. He had read that book too.

[precious]

Exactly where do you live? Does your government not allow books into your country?

Romania. Is not about the government, but until 1990 we where in a communist regime, and they didn't allow people to some kind of information, so NLP and a lot of stuff are new things for many people. I'm sure that 99% from Romania population don't know what NLP is.

[Poodle]

Edit posts to remove commercial links, insults, etc.

Remove any post or thread at will.

That is "our" way of solving problems on this Forum.

NOTE: This Forum is owned and paid for by Dr. Matt James of American Pacific University in Hawaii. Dr. Matt and staff teach NLP, hypnotherapy, Huna and maybe more. We do not have the bandwidth or time to be a "training" forum. It is more of a public service type forum, answering questions such as where can I find, what is, how do I know, etc.
All of us are here voluntarily. None of us receive money for answering questions.

[Poodle]

You are NOT our only member from Romania. It seems to me that right now the Romanians are more interested in hypnosis. I have met many at trainings.

That would be a great thing if 99% of the population does not know. What a fabulous opportunity for you to get your training and in turn train thousands of people in Romania. Not only would you make lots of money but you would be doing a wonderful thing for your country as a whole. NLP is really taking off like a space rocket in Japan and Sweden and Finland. Mexico cannot get enough. It's growing larger every day in South America. There is NLP in Africa. There is NLP in Kosovo. There's NLP in Germany. There is NLP in Poland, France, Pakistan, Italy, Spain.

To really go back to basics, NLP is to create more good feelings and make them better. That to me would be very desirable in Romania after "Mother Russia". NLP is FREEDOM. There is/was a NLP training in Prague this year. Save your money until you can travel to the closest trainer to you. Read the books now. It's coming and you just may wish to be in the first wave. Perhaps if you could gather 25 people that understand English and wanted a happier and better life a NLP Trainer could come to Romania. There are always options.

[Connie]

...he was in a coffee shop and he anchored confusion on the waitress, and every time she came at his table he fired the anchor and the waitress forgot what she had to bring to that table.

Sounds like a very inefficient meal, what with the waitress having to make all these repeated trips to the table!! What's he trying to do, prove bad service so he can get out of leaving a tip? :p I'd anchor something useful, like a desire for her to give me a free dessert!

[precious]

Sounds like a very inefficient meal, what with the waitress having to make all these repeated trips to the table!! What's he trying to do, prove bad service so he can get out of leaving a tip? :p I'd anchor something useful, like a desire for her to give me a free dessert!

Inefficient but fun for a while. BTW - You said that you'd rather anchor "a desire for her to give me a free dessert". How would you do that in a real life situation ? I want an example because at a NLP training is easier because all you have to do is to follow commands, but in real life you have to more subtle .

[Connie]

One of the cool things about NLP is that you end up being effective on a subconscious level, you might not even be able to dissect just what you did to obtain the result, or you may not have consciously done anything... It's a combo of things, what you've done to establish rapport, body language, tone of voice, facial expressions, gestures, words, and so on.

I was at the hardware store, and I was buying some cleansers (hubby spilled coffee on the rug) and rubber gloves. The gloves had no price tag. The clerk liked me, a lot of smiling going on, but he seemed irritated by the idea that he'd have to run around and find the price code for me. I said: "I don't care if you want to give them to me free." Smiling. I think I gestured, too. That was a simple embedded command, which I wasn't even consciously aware of: YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM TO ME FREE. He did. :)

PS: I told him the price, which was something like 39-cents per glove, but he didn't know how to enter them into the register without the code...So it wasn't me trying to "get him," it was him being unwilling to do his job properly. :p

[Poodle]

Good work lady. The best I've found for stains is Spot Shot but if they have a smell too I use Resolve. One day I managed to spill a gallon of milk all over the kitchen floor - hot day - milk soured. Resolved worked on stain and odor. Thankfully! The carpet was quite new. Should be available at stores like WalMart and large chain grocery stores.

Isn't NLP just kewl?

[Poodle]

has PM'd for a "reading list" and specifically a book about anchors. Of course, Frogs is the anchor book and more. I was assuming which is not a good thing to do that precious had more NLP knowledge when the question was asked. Precious is now loaded down with "our" recommended literature which should keep him/her busy for some time as there is never a shortage of reading material on this place.

I explained anchors well enough to get precious started before books arrive. Hopefully with the right attitude which has been demonstrated and good reading material, precious should be on the NLP pathway soon.

We may have just created the first NLP Trainer in the country of Romania. :cool: Pood

[Shreddd]

The unconscious mind responds well to two types of inputs that I am aware of: intense emotion and repetition. If he intensely confused the waitress and anchored it maybe with an equally strange motion or touch - then it could have anchored it right away. Sounds like it was also enforced through repetition. That's hilarious...ah...next time I go out it to eat, it will be extremely hard to resist the temptation to completely screw up the waitress.

That's so funny the forum doesn't encourage teaching NLP here...pity. Just a little fan club, I guess.

[Don]

Whatever gave you the impression that we don't encourage teaching NLP? I would say that more of the professionals here strongly encourage it. On the other hand, they don't encourage incompetent amateurs who have read a book or two claiming that they are teaching NLP. That would be like someone who read a book on picking locks claiming to be a locksmith.

[skip]

Could be that we just dont encourage ****ing up waitresses.

What do you think these hard working people are, playthings for you to fut with?

skip

[Shreddd]

Don, here is a quote from that poodle guy.

please read Forum rules before posting. We don't teach or train. If you had any NLP training, what I wrote would make perfect sense to you. NLP is not a parlor game nor a bag of tricks to be played with for kiddies.

THAT'S what I meant. I thought NLP was free knowledge nowadays. I didn't realize that it had to be kept secret...which I will never agree with. In fact, I completely disagree that NLP can't be a parlor game. Fcking with a waitress sounds like fun, but most of you wouldn't understand the thrill of such things. It can be done in good taste. Girls at work are so bored and just want SOMETHING to happen - good or bad. And to provide that memorable experience could be a good thing under the right light.

[Don]

Hi, Shredd.

I see the problem. You asked about "teaching NLP," in your earlier post and now you have redefined that as simply wanting information.

As I wrote, we strongly support teaching NLP. However, we can't teach it here any more than we could teach carpentry, cooking, or dentistry. Information on all of these topics is widely available in books. There are hundreds of books on NLP. But merely reading something doesn't mean you are capable of using it. That requires training. Watching someone on TV prepare a meal doesn't mean you can do it if you don't have the skill to separate an egg or boil water. Reading about a Swish pattern doesn't make you able to do it. It would be unethical to claim we were doing something when it is impossible to do.

You think that "Fcking with a waitress sounds like fun, but most of you wouldn't understand the thrill of such things. It can be done in good taste." Hmm. I imagine there might be someone, somewhere, who thinks that kicking your butt from here to China and then smashing your skull in sounds like fun. No, I acknowledge that you might not understand the thrill of this, but it could be done in good taste. I'm totally against it and wouldn't advise it, but I'm sure there might be someone who is thinking it.

Look, I'm not a psychotherapist, but your statement, "Fcking with a waitress sounds like fun, but most of you wouldn't understand the thrill of such things" implies a lack of growth into an adult mindset (what Jung called "individuation") where people understand that others have feelings, emotions, rights, etc. It implies that you are only concerned about yourself. It's typical if you're an infant, but not if you're an adult.

The attitude that you're expressing, "Fcking with a waitress sounds like fun, but most of you wouldn't understand the thrill of such things. It can be done in good taste," is an attitude that is typical of people who are criminals and sociopaths. It is the same attitude found among cold-blooded murderers and rapists.

I would suggest that you get into some form of therapy immediately before you harm someone thinking you are providing them with a "memorable experience" that "could be a good thing under the right light" and find yourself in prison for the rest of your life.

[Poodle]

I just totally love you to pieces. This is from "that poodle guy". :cool:

[Henrik]

I knew you could do it Poodle. Hypnotically change sex. Please teach me. I have always wondered how it is to be female. Just for a minute or two. Promise you change me back.

Henrik waiting eagerly.

[Shreddd]

You guys just love tearing me apart. It's okay. I think it's funny how much I am misunderstood. A psycho killer? Please...that's the funniest thing I have ever heard. I'm not the one being a prick.

[Connie]

Well said, Don.

[Don]

Sociopaths don't see themselves as being sociopathic. Rather, they think that everyone is against them. Such a feeling of paranoia is common among sociopaths.

Shredd, just take some of your posts with you when you go to a counselor or therapist. They speak volumes that your conscious doesn't understand.

[Shreddd]

Sociopaths don't see themselves as being sociopathic. Rather, they think that everyone is against them. Such a feeling of paranoia is common among sociopaths.

Shredd, just take some of your posts with you when you go to a counselor or therapist. They speak volumes that your conscious doesn't understand.
Actually, I don't even know what a sociopath is. They think everyone is out to get them? Not everyone - just the people hurling subtle insults at a guy that they haven't met yet. It's sort of a stuck up thing to do. Not saying that you don't have a reason to be stuck up...or that I hate stuck up people. I just think that your actions reflect your character and your feelings. I'm wondering if you see yourself as above me or if I genuinely pissed you off by offending one of your core beliefs?

[Shreddd]

Actually, I don't even know what a sociopath is. They think everyone is out to get them? Not everyone - just the people hurling subtle insults at a guy that they haven't met yet. It's sort of a stuck up thing to do. Not saying that you don't have a reason to be stuck up...or that I hate stuck up people. I just think that your actions reflect your character and your feelings. I'm wondering if you see yourself as above me or if I genuinely pissed you off by offending one of your core beliefs?
Actually it is just someone who is superficial, violates rights of others, and inconsistent. Haha, I love screwing with people. I can see where you got that. But a psycho killer? My motives, I agree are hidden. I like not being normal. That's funny, the article I read said that sociopaths have amazing wit and charm. Tee hee. Thought so.

[pmdigi]

some of sociopathy (psychopathy) is caused by brain damage and/or a malfunctioning brain, and some by lack of values.

[Connie]

A sociopath is someone who enjoys hurting other people, and sees nothing wrong with it. Does that describe you, Shreddd?

You say it's hard for you to conjure up a genuine interest in other people. That's a very telling and disturbing statement. Think about it! I echo what Don suggested. Find someone to help you.

[Poodle]

figure got that from DVD's or CD's from a supposed NLP trainer that says most everything in NLP doesn't work (anchors however do work). This person also believes BAD publicity is GOOD publicity. If my clients leave and tell everyone how BAD I am at my work and hypnosis and NLP don't work, who would be stupid enough to call me? :confused:

[Shreddd]

figure got that from DVD's or CD's from a supposed NLP trainer that says most everything in NLP doesn't work (anchors however do work). This person also believes BAD publicity is GOOD publicity. If my clients leave and tell everyone how BAD I am at my work and hypnosis and NLP don't work, who would be stupid enough to call me? :confused:
You figure a lot of stuff about me. Not all of it's true. Some of it's pretty offensive. But, I'll let you have your fun. What I thought was going to be a little comment on a woman's situation with a seducer turned into like an all out brawl.

And some of my "sociopath" traits came out over time when I realized that I get power when I talk to people at their level, people in general are way more uptight than me - making their reactions priceless to me, emotions are more intense in contrast, and faking a good attitude in a bad day is probably the most rewarding thing in life. I never had any of those traits 3 years ago because I never explored the boundaries of such things. I wouldn't call it a personality disorder...but it definitely is a personality.

[Poodle]

what's this delusion on grandeur - I certainly did not make the post to you or about you unless you are that unsavory supposed NLP trainer which I doubt.

[Merlin]

Hi, Shredd.

I see the problem. You asked about "teaching NLP," in your earlier post and now you have redefined that as simply wanting information.

As I wrote, we strongly support teaching NLP. However, we can't teach it here any more than we could teach carpentry, cooking, or dentistry. Information on all of these topics is widely available in books. There are hundreds of books on NLP. But merely reading something doesn't mean you are capable of using it. That requires training. Watching someone on TV prepare a meal doesn't mean you can do it if you don't have the skill to separate an egg or boil water. Reading about a Swish pattern doesn't make you able to do it. It would be unethical to claim we were doing something when it is impossible to do.

You think that "Fcking with a waitress sounds like fun, but most of you wouldn't understand the thrill of such things. It can be done in good taste." Hmm. I imagine there might be someone, somewhere, who thinks that kicking your butt from here to China and then smashing your skull in sounds like fun. No, I acknowledge that you might not understand the thrill of this, but it could be done in good taste. I'm totally against it and wouldn't advise it, but I'm sure there might be someone who is thinking it.

Look, I'm not a psychotherapist, but your statement, "Fcking with a waitress sounds like fun, but most of you wouldn't understand the thrill of such things" implies a lack of growth into an adult mindset (what Jung called "individuation") where people understand that others have feelings, emotions, rights, etc. It implies that you are only concerned about yourself. It's typical if you're an infant, but not if you're an adult.

The attitude that you're expressing, "Fcking with a waitress sounds like fun, but most of you wouldn't understand the thrill of such things. It can be done in good taste," is an attitude that is typical of people who are criminals and sociopaths. It is the same attitude found among cold-blooded murderers and rapists.

I would suggest that you get into some form of therapy immediately before you harm someone thinking you are providing them with a "memorable experience" that "could be a good thing under the right light" and find yourself in prison for the rest of your life.

Now Don,
lighten up.
I admit I like to do it too.
Imagine shredd for a moment.
I could manipulate him into eating dog sh!t.
Imagine the sh!t eating grin on his face as I manipulat him. what fun! I'm giggling just thinking of it.
So, lighten up a bit.
Just imagine his face as I bring him out of trance in the middle of a big bite and he realises what he's doing.
Manipulation of others can be so fun!

[Merlin]

Oh please,
You must at least meet aunt flo.
Minimum for a good experience :D

[figure]

figure got that from DVD's or CD's from a supposed NLP trainer that says most everything in NLP doesn't work (anchors however do work). This person also believes BAD publicity is GOOD publicity. If my clients leave and tell everyone how BAD I am at my work and hypnosis and NLP don't work, who would be stupid enough to call me? :confused:

Maybe being a little paranoid but are you talking about me? I didn't follow this thread.

[Poodle]

Are you an unsavory NLP Trainer? If not, then the post was not about you. You just started it.

[Terry]

My gut feeling goes with Merlin on this one. If he is as you suggest, he is too far gone for your message to reach him, but I think as does Merlin, that he is just a nasty minded little boy, who gets his jollies thinking and imagining himself messing with others. Not that he is capable of doing it, but in his mind he is already accomplished without the trouble of learning. Thank God he hasn't got what it takes to really do it.