Wendi.com Weight Loss Teleseminars

[Connie]

This week. Free. "...will knock the fat right off of your body." I'm interested!! :)

[Terry]

This week. Free. "...will knock the fat right off of your body." I'm interested!! :) Remember asking about the use of proper wording a couple of days ago? Well check out Wendi's wording in her program "the Zen of thin". You hear the voice saying, "feel the muscles melting", I know because after reading your post I checked it out. Now that suggestion is very dangerous apart from being stupid, since nobody in their right mind would attempt to destroy muscle rather than fat. Proper weight loss methods whatever they are based on, attempt to develop muscle to burn off calories, and the calories to be burned are in the form of excess fat. If you look like this "O" would you really feel better if you changed and looked like this "I". Surely a shapely figure, with well toned muscles is to be preffered?

[Poodle]

You think that's bad. She was trying to do NLP Parts Therapy on a CD (Zen of Thin) which is just totally impossible. She had a horrible abreaction from one person I know of and then she was passing out free coupon sessions with "a hypnotherapist". It did not say "a hypnotherapist on my registry". You well could have had people calling you for a free session and you would not have known anything about it. That product was (is) quite expensive and I have no intentions of doing Wendi's clean up work.

Any work product from her that I have incorporated I have paid dearly to use.

[Connie]

Words are power, and to be chosen extremely carefully--no argument from me there, Terry! I'm really shocked to hear that she'd let that slip in there in one of her products. No, I don't want to melt my muscles...what have I been busting my butt for, going to the gym almost every day for then?? I LOVE my muscles. :)

[Docresults]

Connie,

Here are some powerful words to consider...

Everything is vibrational. "I'm letting it in or I'm not. And I'm using lots of things as my excuse to let it in, or as my excuse not to let it in." But it's all vibrational. Otherwise, we should be able to take 100 people, give them all identical exposure to experience, and get identical results. And you can't do that. You'd get 100 different results, and you'd get several big differences in results. It's all about vibrational relativity.

To Your Best,
Doc

[Connie]

Connie,

Here are some powerful words to consider...

Everything is vibrational. "I'm letting it in or I'm not. And I'm using lots of things as my excuse to let it in, or as my excuse not to let it in." But it's all vibrational. Otherwise, we should be able to take 100 people, give them all identical exposure to experience, and get identical results. And you can't do that. You'd get 100 different results, and you'd get several big differences in results. It's all about vibrational relativity.

To Your Best,
Doc

I'm glad you're here, Doc. :) I like to let your words "vibrate" in my head and elsewhere, only I call it "percolate." :D

[Henrik]

Hi, another thing about muscles is that more muscles increase the basal energy expenditure. Which is a good thing when trying to lose fat. Also muscles are more dense than fat, so muscles are heavier than fat.

You want to lose the fat, not the muscles. Muscles are a great thing. More muscles to us!

Henrik

[Connie]

Of course I don't know what Terry heard precisely, but I know Wendi likes that word "melting." She has used it a lot in the teleseminars I've listened to...your eyelids are melting down into your cheeks, and so on. I'm wondering if that bit about muscles melting was part of an induction. Melting meaning relaxing. Wendi is a smart cookie! I don't believe she'd knowingly tell anyone to deteriorate their muscles as part of a weight loss suggestion.

[Terry]

I quoted exactly what I heard. on her web page, and said exactly that since I have never listened to her tapes, and have no idea if what she said on her site is carried over to the tapes. Wendi is a very canny business person, and I give her full marks for that, however, if one has a pet saying which is constantly repeated, it is readily available at inoportune times as well as were it fits the conversation. I know she reads us often, so I post as both a warning to others, and a heads up to her. She may accept it or not, but such an error could result in a costly law suit for any one of us, so I point it out as a "use it or lose it" comment. Wendi, being "big business", is a ready target of course....

[Connie]

I'm going to send her an email, and tell her of your concerns. I was looking at her site just now, and it's a voice-over that happens when you put your cursor over the words: "Wendi's Message." I don't think it's linked per se to anything to do with weight loss. It's one in a series of phrases: breathe, deeper now, let go, and so on.

It's an important observation, Terry, that it could be misunderstood and harmful and litigated (by the sue-happy). I'll let her know!

[Poodle]

If all this supposedly "free" is a ploy to up the marketing again to #1. I will definitely say she is the marketing guru of the hypnosis world.

Terry - I'll listen to the Zen of Thin eventually and let you know the wording.

Connie - I don't know if you can still see where Wendi was called to task by this Forum for using in appropriate "techniques" on CD's. She does not back down easily even in the face of NLP Trainers.

I found it amusing that she advised hypnotherapists to dress appropriately while at her age she is going around with cleavage all over the place and reading glasses on. Is that "do as I say and not as I do?" Maybe I am old or maybe it's a California thing I don't know about yet.

[Connie]

I didn't notice her "cleavage." :eek: :D Perhaps she was suggesting suitable professional attire for times when meeting clients and practicing hypnotherapy--I think for these teleseminars she dresses for fun and comfort. I know I did!

[Docresults]

When I meet Wendi I liked her clevage and her other assets. Even when they were or weren't showing.

To Your Best,
Doc

[Terry]

When I meet Wendi I liked her clevage and her other assets. Even when they were or weren't showing.

To Your Best,Doc And that makes you absolutely normal Doc she is a very well presented package, and uses that fact well. I also respect her professionalism, and business acumen, but my comments were not aimed at being rude or insulting, rather at a vaux pas I observed in her presentation. We all make such, and if I had done it, I would welcome someone pointing it out before harm could result. I hope Wendi feels the same..
Sadly, I must confess I missed the cleavage, I suppose that means I am getting to old to notice, though I shall persist in believing it is due to what I have at home :D

[Connie]

One of the first teleseminars of hers I sat in on, there was a "name guy" in the chatroom. I forget his name, which shows you how impressed I am by such things. Anyway, he had a video feed of himself as well...and...he was sitting in there and broadcasting with no shirt on!!! I thought that was somewhat peculiar. :eek: We couldn't see lower than the waist, so the rest I guess is up to the imagination. :eek:

When I saw Wayne Dyer in Vegas awhile back, he presented the lecture up on stage barefoot!

[Poodle]

Connie got her on "muscles melting". Later on trying to do trance work she said: "Let your mind MELT DOWN." The SC mind takes what is fed in as it is fed in without the conscious mind to analyze -- Hmmm, I wonder what she means by "melt". I do NOT want a MIND MELT DOWN in or out of trance. She means the word "RELAX" but MELTING is NOT RELAXING. She tried to cover herself unsuccessfully IMO.

To me, a mind melt down would mean a trip to the psychiatric hospital as I would have LOST it. Words are our tools and they HAVE TO BE USED WITH CARE. Enough of that!! Pood :mad:

[Poodle]

[quote=Docresults;48941]When I meet Wendi I liked her clevage and her other assets. Even when they were or weren't showing.

What would you have done if she said: "Oh my God". You would have been happier still as you have stated you love it when women say that to you. LOL!! Anne

[Connie]

I liked her answer, and I hope she's right. She said it is her belief that the subconscious mind does not take everything we say 100% literally, that it's smarter than that. I hope so. She said if people took her "melting" literally, we'd be hearing about thousands of people existing as puddles. I'm glad you (we) brought it to her attention, though. She indicated that she may change the voice over button to a muscle-strength one.

By the way, it was not my intention to "get her." I tried to word it in a nice way, so she'd understand the potential danger.

PS: Suddenly I want a tuna-melt for lunch. :)

[Henrik]

Words are our tools and they HAVE TO BE USED WITH CARE.

Isn't this why this forum on a general note have "moderate" faith in self hypnosis CDs, because even the supposedly most innocent word can be the "wrong" word in a given context for a single person. I know a time when the word RELAX would have caused just irritation and a "What do you mean 'relax' you id*ot" reaction from me.

Wonder what a melted mind looks like. Like a jelly-train after 10 six years old gone amok? Wonder what color? Green and red is popular I believe.

Henrik

[Connie]

One of my favorite hypnofriends includes induction relaxation imagery along the lines of "wax melting off a candle." You get your melting feeling, but it's not YOU that's melting. :)

[Henrik]

She indicated that she may change the voice over button to a muscle-strength one.

That is (probably) a good idea. Anyone interested in losing fat should educate themselves a bit on muscles and resistance (weight) training. Weight training is excellent for burning fat, even AFTER going home from the gym. One could study what is called EPOC (excess postexercise oxygen consumption) perhaps...

On a "technical" level less muscles = more fat.

Henrik

[Connie]

I'm melllllllting....

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/wizardofzwitchmelt5.JPG

[Henrik]

I'm melllllllting....

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/wizardofzwitchmelt5.JPG

Just don't melt your mind Connie. I'll miss you too much :).

[Poodle]

I know you do not live in the USA, but you have probably seen the old Star Trek TV programs from the '60's -- Captain Kirk and Spock? Well, Spock was 1/2 Vulcan (a planet of extreme intelligence) and he could do what they called a Vulcan Mind Meld which meant he could take what was in the other mind and also put it in his mind. I really don't really want my mind "melded" or "melted". Used to be a common expression in the USA for a person to have a mental melt down which required a trip to the closest psychiatric hospital for a long, long time.

I have no idea what happened in the remainder of the little "seminar" as I hung up. I'm probably persona non grata around there. Usually the word "relax" irritates me. I do not practice relax-o-therapy.

[Connie]

I have no idea what happened in the remainder of the little "seminar" as I hung up.

She complimented your professionalism and said these were important issues.

[Poodle]

HUH????? Surely you jest. Missed tonite's as NGH had one of my fav's on -- Jerry Kein and apparently I am not the only one as the place was full. Maybe with a little help from us that "melting" may disappear. I like the idea of the candle wax melting tho.

[Henrik]

I know you do not live in the USA, but you have probably seen the old Star Trek TV programs from the '60's -- Captain Kirk and Spock?

Hi, Poodle :)

Regarding Captain Kirk and Spock I always was more of a fan of Fermat, Gauss, Laplace. And hockey. Science Fiction was too much fiction for my likings.

I live in the land of the mountains and the fjords and the lemmings. Here is a little clip http://nettv.aftenposten.no/player/player.php?id=4923&category_id=4 :)

[Poodle]

BEAUTIFUL! Thank you for sharing. You should have joined in our "lemming" post. I know exactly where you are now. May I compliment you on your excellent command of the English language. :)

[Poodle]

takes in ALL information
simultaneous
intuitive
cybernetic
knows "why"
feeling
sleeping, dreaming
involuntary movements
storehouse of all memories (attends to and records information)
knows the solution
automatic
nonverbal
not analytical
unlimited
experiential learnings

Anyone have more they would like to add?