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[ljrobison]

Is there any website that has a live chat type thing that has people in it most of the time?

I need someone to talk to about Hypnosis a lot and this board crawls like a snail haha.

[pmdigi]

This is the fastest one on the web.

[ljrobison]

Haha, I kind of thought so since its from Hypnosis.com

Anyways, Is it truely possible to put people in trances on your own, like without books/training ect? I just want to do this as a minor hobby at the moment with full consent of my friends.

For example, Ive been watching some peoples inductions on youtube like Tom Silver, Ormand McGill, and people like that show training sessions on inductions. Then I started looking up some induction scripts. If I use the right tone and follow their movements, is it possible for me to put someone in a trance?

After that, do I just give them some suggestions and their subconscious picks it up as true?

I believe I put one of my friends in a trance, I made him forget the number 7. I started doing some math, the first time the answer was 7 he got confused and said 6, then everytime after that he remembered 7. I don't know if I actually had some success or what happened.

Anyways, this is what I plan to do with one of my friends tonight.

Modified Dave Elman Induction ( I heard it was good for beginners.)
Do the Staircase Relaxation
Then some "stage" skits.

Can anyone answer these questions?
Thanks.

[ljrobison]

Also, let me clarify, I fully plan to get training. But at the moment I want to learn as much as I can. I will only hypnotise my closest friends with their full consent.

[SgtFrog]

Anyways, Is it truely possible to put people in trances on your own, like without books/training ect?

I'd recommend picking up a book to understand the language needed to become successful. but if you have a decent script, the right attitude and you have the person relaxed enough you should do fine.

If I use the right tone and follow their movements, is it possible for me to put someone in a trance?

follow their movements? sure if you like, personally I like to sit down and relax while I put someone into trance. as for tone, just use your own voice,. it makes no difference.

After that, do I just give them some suggestions and their subconscious picks it up as true?

Not really, once someone is hypnotised then their critical faculty (the bit that questions their actions) is bypassed so they wont pick it up as true, they'll just do it because you asked them to.

Modified Dave Elman Induction ( I heard it was good for beginners.)
Do the Staircase Relaxation
Then some "stage" skits.

good luck with that, let us know how it goes

[Poodle]

We seem to have the blind leading the blind in this thread.

You have already about screwed up big time with your friend's mind. Thankfully he was not in trance. NEVER DELETE ANYTHING WITHOUT RESTORING IT BEFORE THE TRANCE IS OVER. NEVER!! NEVER!!!! NEVER!!!

Stop playing with Elman. It takes people too deep too fast for your lack of knowledge. Elman taught Medical Doctors.

Stop playing with people's minds as you just may accidently induce trance. GET TRAINING BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH ANY LIVE HUMAN BEING. YOU ARE A DANGER AND I MEAN A BIG DANGER! Do you really want your friends ending up in an asylum because of your stupidity and you will have civil and criminal charges filed against you. I just had a small civil case and my attorney fees were about $24,000 as we settled out of court and it took a good three years out of my life and I did most of the legal work myself. Had we gone to trial it probably would have run about $50,000 easy. Let's add criminal charges on to that and you could be approaching $500,000 in attorney fees not counting expenses, court costs, expert witnesses, etc., etc., etc. Then the Judge renders the verdict for the Plantiff in the amount of $3,000,000 and you don't have money for training. How long will it take you to pay off $3.5+ million US Dollars? Even as professional hypnotherapists and teaching the subject matter, we have about $3 million liability insurance coverage. We separate our business and have it incorporated so we will not lose house and everything we own due to a possible law suit.

ARE YOU STARTING TO UNDERSTAND NOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS VERY, VERY DANGEROUS???

You can f*** with your own mind all you want but leave other people alone with or without permission. As Jack wrote "You scare the hell out of me." Pood :mad:

[ljrobison]

Sorry for not clarifying and making you type all that, but I do respect your post here. After I was done, I did put him in another trance and told him he would wake up, remembering everything, feeling relaxed and refreshed. He was completely fine after that. I do respect your post as I have said, it does really give me some insight. Im just really trying to learn as much as I can at this moment and this has heled me tremendously.

[Poodle]

That doesn't get it. I did not make myself clear which is my fault. When I say you put back everything I mean VERY SPECIFICALLY. Example: You removed #7. Before emersion, state: Number 7 is now back. (check to make sure). ALWAYS CHECK YOUR WORK!! Followed by: All suggestions are hereby removed except for any of on going therapeutic value. EVERYTHING IS VERY SPECIFICALLY STATED. Words are our tools. We use them wisely.

You don't even know enough about trance to know that Elman leads directly to deep trance (somnambulism). You certainly do not need to add anything on to it. Elman would not be good IMO for stage show hypnosis. It is used to relieve discomfort (pain) or to have surgery with just hypnosis or to change deep seated problems as in regression work.

Try reading HYPNOSIS A Comprehensive Guide (producing Deep Trance Phenomena) by Tad James. It will at least give you some truth and three different styles of hypnosis along with "Suggestibility Tests". Please content yourself with Suggestibility Tests until you have proper training or an enormous bank account.

I believe the owner of this Forum may have that particular book for sale. Pood

[ljrobison]

Thanks Poodle. I will look into everything you suggested. Also how about picking up the New Encyclopedia to Stage Hypnotism aswell? I am very interested in this subject. I probably won't evolve this into a career, just more like a hobby, just like my magic.

As for my friend, could I put him into another trance and restore the number 7 thing aswell?

I am very interested in looking for training, but I have no idea where to look, I live in a small town in Pennyslvania with a poplulation of 7,000. There are no hypnotists around here anywhere.

As for me restoring my friend/continue practicing, which trance should I use?

[Poodle]

You seem to be skilled at using the net. LOOK! Right now I can think of NY, NJ, Mass., Washington, DC. Look into National Guild of Hypnotists (ngh@ngh.net) and hopefully American Board of Hypnotherapy has referrals too. It's 888-823-4823. NGH is minimum of 100 hours. ABH is minimum of three days all the way to Doctorate. Either would help you a whole bunch! Even doing it for fun, you have to do it right. The world is crazy enough without you making more people nutzzzz.

Ask your friend to count the fingers on your hands 1-10. If 7 is missing, put it back. Personally, I don't believe he was in trance so you won't have any more trance work to do.

[ljrobison]

I can get a copy of Gerald Kein's hypnosis training course videos. Would those help at all? I heard they were recommended and I can actually afford them now.

[Potato]

That doesn't get it. I did not make myself clear which is my fault. When I say you put back everything I mean VERY SPECIFICALLY. Example: You removed #7. Before emersion, state: Number 7 is now back. (check to make sure). ALWAYS CHECK YOUR WORK!! Followed by: All suggestions are hereby removed except for any of on going therapeutic value. EVERYTHING IS VERY SPECIFICALLY STATED. Words are our tools. We use them wisely.


I would not, of course, presume to contradict you by my own authority, having little to no experience in your field; however, respectfully and with the full expectation of a forthcoming reasonable explanation, I must point out that Milton Erickson broke the rule presented above. Specifically, he gave hypnotic suggestions to a subject which resulted in the development of amnesia for a certain number, and then, neither restoring the number nor ensuring that he had been successful in doing so, sent the subject home, with the ultimate result being that the subject returned the next day with both sanity and mathematical knowledge intact; i.e., the amnesia wore off, probably overnight. His article describing this incident--and I am sure he did a better job than I--may be found here http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/5/1/59?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=erickson+m&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT, and the part of the story which concerns this thread, on the third page from the bottom.

Hoping I was allowed to post that link and looking forward to your de-obfuscation of what I missed,

-Potato

[Terry]

Here it is again, "I intend to take training later, but right now I can't afford it, so I want to learn as much as I can before training".
Now this board is attended by some of the finest and most skilled practitioners available, but it is also attended by the unknowing, the unseeing, and the idiot fringe. How is a new poster supposed to know to whom them should listen?
Fact is, each of us who are truly skilled and experienced have a code of conduct, which may or may not be ascribed to in all phases by a skilled member. However, each of us is at least agreed on the idea of "Do no harm", and because of that we will not help the unknowing to perpetuate their ignorance to the detriment of others.
If you choose to play hypnotist, do it in your own time, and don't call on us for help we are not available as willing accomplices to stupidity, and it is indeed the height of stupidity to play with the most powerfull posession of another, their mind...

[Poodle]

Milton did many, many things that others have yet to learn or may never learn. In cases of amnesia it seems to be if Milton wishes something to be remembered later or not as in client not remembering his session with Milton wherein the problem was totally cured and client came in the next week believing it to be his first encounter with Milton as found in "The Patterms of the Hypnotic Techniques of MHE, MD" by B&G, 1975.

I seriously doubt there is any other Certified Instructor of Hypnotherapy that would disagree with what I wrote. It was taught to me by a trainer with a PhD in Ericksonian hypnosis and three other instructors. I trust my trainers when all say the same and have learned from differing Instructors.

Thank you for the comment. It is well worth reflecting upon and be sure to have a wonderful weekend, Pood :)

[Potato]

Thank you, Poodle; my expectation was fulfilled. :) It seems that Milton Erickson is the only person whom I regard more highly every time I find out something new about him.

[sibirskikozak]

ljrobison,

Have you tried looking for online classes for hypnosis there are some that will send you instructional videos and let you learn the basics.

I have no money either but I got loans to pay 12 G's for an intensive one year program, why? Because it is worth it, messing a person up is not something I intend to do.

Hypnosis is so powerful that a judge, in CA, can restrict a person from being a witness in a case if has been hypnotized recently. Freud experimented with hypnosis and he failed, he did regression therapy and he F****** UP and thats why he discredited hypnosis.

There's a nice little book called Professional Hypnotism Manual by Dr. John Kappas that you should check out, it explains suggestibility, how to test for it and includes a number of little scripts that you can use on your friends.

INDUCING HYPNOSIS WITHOUT BEING QUALIFIED IS AGAINST THE LAW, ALSO USING HYPNOSIS FOR ANYTHING BUT VOCATIONAL AND AVOCATIONAL IMPROVEMENT IS ALSO AGAINST THE LAW.

IF A CLIENT/FRIEND PRESENTS A PROBLEM THAT HAS A MEDICAL CAUSE AND YOU HYPNOTIZE HIM/HER WITHOUT A REFERRAL FROM A PSYCHOLOGIST/DOCTOR/DENTIST YOU ARE BRAKING THE LAW!!! BECAUSE IF ANYTHING HAPPENS HYPNOSIS WILL BE VIEWED AS A PREVENTIVE MEASURE FROM GETTING MEDICAL HELP.

Now that we have that cleared, might I also recommend to steer away from Erickson, NLP, Time Line and any other advanced therapy/hypnosis techniques. They are very advanced and only certified hypnotist should attempt them because the techniques are intense and a mistake with them is a big one!!!!

Erickson only taught to psychologist, there was a reason for that.

Go to hypnosis.edu if you want information on long distance learning, and they have a few free streaming videos. There are also other sites so look around finds a school of thought that suits you and learn.

Remember advanced techniques are for already trained hypnotists, and your number one priority should be "DO NO HARM"

[Poodle]

You paid $12,000 for one year of training and you don't even know the history of hypnosis? Freud wanted to do hypnosis and even went to the Nancy School in France; however, he had used soo much cocaine that his gums shrunk so dentures would not fit so he could not speak well, not to mention his breath was very ill smelling. He returned home decidely to make up some type of therapy for the rich. I believe you can find a nice little history of hypnosis in "Hypnosis: A Comprehensive Guide" by Dr. Tad James. Be really careful in reading it though as it does include that Ericksonian though.

"Inducing hypnosis without being qualified is against the law". What law specifically and what exactly does qualified mean? Who qualifies anything in the realm of hypnosis?

Usually one learns NLP BEFORE hypnosis and any mistakes in NLP will just make whatever you are doing not work or totally piss of the client which in either event will have a non-beneficial outcome for both. NLP is NOT THERAPY.

Erickson died in 1980. The world has changed in 27 years. Anyone can practice Ericksonian hypnosis if they wish. It is more difficult for sure but IMO sooo much better. I happen to prefer it as do some other hypnotists on this Forum. A nice little book that combines Ericksonian with some NLP is "Training Trances" by Julie Silverthorne and husband.

I guess the only truth in your post is: Hypnosis for medical or psychological problems must have a written referral from a licensed practitioner of those healing arts.

Have I missed anything? Pood :rolleyes:

[Connie]

I'm hoping our readers here can tell the difference between cut and paste parroted/misunderstood hypnosis "information" and the pearls from people who are really in the profession.

[Terry]

Hope springs eternal Connie, but from the replies to some of the idiot suggestions I am sure that your hope is unfounded in some cases, particullarly those who jump in instantly without reading the posts of other members.