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Unregistered
09-14-2004, 09:08 AM
Is suggestion effective during sleep? thx
Merlin
09-14-2004, 07:29 PM
No.
If it were, you'd go on a shopping spree everytime you fell asleep with the telly or radio on.
Unregistered
09-14-2004, 10:23 PM
what about as your falling asleep?
As you fall into sleep your brain descends into various altered states and you are suggestible in those states since the critical analysis normally present is absent from your(un)consciousness. So, taking Merlin's point about TV, I would contend that a person can be influenced by TV whilst dropping into sleep, but there is no conclusive evidence that whilst in the delta, or deep sleep state any information can be taken on board.
Jack
ensentium
09-16-2004, 08:30 AM
Is suggestion effective during sleep? thxIt's effective but not as effective as somnambulism. There are various techniques such as: you talk very very quietly and softly to a sleeping person getting gradually louder very smoothly until they kind of move or mumble something giving a response and at that point, with that volume and gentle voice tone they are suggestible.
Gerald Kein used this technique with his kids regularly.
Essentium, is there any documentation showing the effectiveness of such sleep learning? My understanding is that it gained brief popularity in the 1960s, but there was no evidence that it worked. Do you know of any studies on it and where I could find copies of those studies? Thanks!
ensentium
09-16-2004, 07:59 PM
http://www.sleeplearning.com (http://www.sleeplearning.com/) Has some studies listed. I haven't done a lot of research on it mainly because I don't see why, if done properly, it wouldn't work. Especially when so many people have written about success with it. Ie. Gerald Kein, Aldous Huxley
Although I believe the theory behind the technique I gave is that the person rises out of delta into theta AFTER going into delta so it's not really "sleep learning" in that the person is in delta, out cold, while learning the entire time.
"This stimulus processing in sleep can produce 'microarousals', or partial awakenings"
hi don, i remember in the sixties there was a pillow you could buy with speakers in it, the theory being that you could pop in a cassette and just go to sleep, and in the morning the contents of the tape were embedded... i considered this as a method for learning french... but my wife pointed out that my english was in bad enough shape so perhaps i should concentrate on that :)
today my c.d.s are all for helping you into sleep then delliver my message and allow them to drift even deeper into a natural sleep...i am having great results with my sleep'n'slim course;) doug
Unregistered
09-17-2004, 07:54 PM
did you make your own cds or purchase them? Do you play them all night? How much weight have you lost? thx
i havent lost any weight, and no i didnt buy the c'd's i sell them.. there are three c.d.s in the set and so far my pilot prog. has lost 28lbs. and no she wasnt blobby to start with... i wrote the scripts for the c.d.s and my partner [who has a charming english accent ] recorded them :) ... what the mind can concieve ;) doug...