From Glum to Joyous

[Senin]

Is it possible, through hypnosis (http://www.uncommonforum.com/glossary/hypnosis.html), to change a person's disposition? Let's say a person has glum, serious, unhappy personality (http://www.uncommonforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=28697#). Can it be changed to that of a personality that is happy, joyous and vivacious?

If so, how? Are there scripts for this?

[Docresults]

Is it possible, through hypnosis, to change a person's disposition? Yes Let's say a person has glum, serious, unhappy . Can it be changed to that of a personality that is happy, joyous and vivacious? Yes If so, how? Hypnosis Are there scripts for this? Yes Next question... To Your Best, Doc

[Merlin]

Yes.
But NLP would be a better tool.
Anchors work well for this.

But to be thorough, tests for other issues should be done, and TLT would be good too.

[Connie]

By the way, one can be serious AND happy! :) Those are not incongruent. As others have said here, yes, one can change one's outlook through NLP and hypnosis. It happens frequently, and is usually a wonderful thing.

[Senin]

Okay, what scirpts and where can I find them?

[Docresults]

Okay, what scirpts and where can I find them?

Senin, I don't know you well enough to give you that information and I'm not sure you can afford it. Over the years I've probably spent $2-300,000.00 learning and gathering the information to write scripts that work into my un/subconscious. Like my Grampa Vetter used to say, "Son, there's no use in giving you the tool if ya don't know how to use it and it makes even less sense for you to go out and buy the tools with no training. Just cause it has a handle on it don't make it a hammer and without training you won't know the difference." He said all that and he knew me. To Your Best, Doc Houston P.S. When you do get trained they should teach you what you are asking.

[Jack]

Okay, what scirpts and where can I find them?

Senin, you fall into the trap of believing that simply having scripts in some way equates with actual effective therapy.

It does not.

What a script may do is give you the building blocks on which to create a strategy for change, that's all. You have to use your brain and utilise those building blocks for whichever individual you are dealing with.

Even then, 90% of the scripts you will find are rubbish.

Merlin is right; you would be better looking at NLP for the changes you desire.

Jack

[Senin]

LOL! I have done NLP. My opinion of NLP is that for the most part (other than Swish, Core Trans, few others) it is pretty much crap.

That's okay, Doc, I'm not sure if I would even want you working with me.

So, if I am understanding this correctly, your advice is to go get training. Hmmmm, that could answer just about any question. Wonder what we discuss here. LOL!

[Merlin]

So, you really don't know about NLP, but you've decided it's mostly crap?

[Jack]

LOL! I have done NLP. My opinion of NLP is that for the most part (other than Swish, Core Trans, few others) it is pretty much crap.

Ah well, if it's crap then you are stuffed aren't you?

Best to get yourself a script written by an idiot and repeat it to yourself every night. That should work.

Jack

[Docresults]

LOL! I have done NLP. My opinion of NLP is that for the most part (other than Swish, Core Trans, few others) it is pretty much crap.

That's okay, Doc, I'm not sure if I would even want you working with me.

So, if I am understanding this correctly, your advice is to go get training. Hmmmm, that could answer just about any question. Wonder what we discuss here. LOL!

Senin,

I love your attitude. ---I don't know how to do something BUT I'll ask total strangers, whom I do not know and who have put in the time, effort and money to get what I want and I want them to give it to me for free and if they call me on it, I'll get snippy.---

Someone has the answer and you're are not sure you would want to learn from them. Sounds like a mind already made up about the way something should happen even though you've not had the experience. That's like a 4th grader telling the doctor, ---I'm not sure you can help me get this splinter out of my finger, even though you helped everyone else.---

And yes good training WOULD keep you from making very poor judgments like ---most of NLP is crap.--- And yes training and doing the drills are required for any skill. Walking, talking, driving, hypnosis, NLP etc. any skill requires some form of training.

If you had taken the time to read the archives you would not have to wonder what we discuss here, you'd know and you wouldn't be getting answers you don't like.

From the archives you'd already know that scripts are not very good or dependable as each interaction has its own dynamics and written scripts, unless they come from your unconscious competence (they wouldn't be written then), will not do you very much good. From the archives you'd know we don't give the type of information you are asking about for all sorts of reasons. From reading the archives you'd know that we have helped many people with similar questions to yours and you could see how they asked to get help from those who have an answer.

And yet, I can understand why you would wonder what we discuss here, as it seems you haven't looked to see what we discuss here. I've gotta try that... Walk into a strangers house, ask where they keep the combination to the safe and btw where is the safe and if they ask ----why should we tell you--- I'll get smart with them. Yeah, yeah that'll work.

To Your Best,
Dr. Houston Vetter

[Don]

Senin, I have to agree with the comments of Jack and Doc.

If a book of scripts could solve everyone's problems, don't you think that information would be available? I have a book that reveals the secret mantras of TM and the formulas of cookies sold in malls. So a magic book that by simply reading scripts would cure every problem on earth should be available everywhere. It's not. Why not?

The reason is because of you very first question. You wrote: "Is it possible, through hypnosis, to change a person's disposition? Let's say a person has glum, serious, unhappy. Can it be changed to that of a personality that is happy, joyous and vivacious?"

You see, you are not describing a problem at all, you are only describing symptoms. Ten people might have the exact same symptoms and each have different causes and different ways of relating to a hypnotist. As a result, even though the symptoms are the same, the method for using hypnosis to work with them could be different for each one!

So how does a hypnotist know which approach to use? Training. Experience. Networking and seeing what others are doing. That is the legitimate use of scripts--to get new ideas and new approaches and to trigger new ways of thinking. If someone is merely reading a script from a book or website, and not one that is specifically designed for a particular client, that hypnotist is either poorly trained, insecure, or inexperienced.

In your original post you gave a supposedly fictional person, mentioned only a few things they'd like to change, you were not specific, you did not let us interview the client in person, etc. Basically, your asking us to diagnose in absentia, and that is both unethical and illegal.

[Senin]

So, you really don't know about NLP, but you've decided it's mostly crap?


No. I said I do know NLP, and it is mostly crap.

[Senin]

Senin, I have to agree with the comments of Jack and Doc.

If a book of scripts could solve everyone's problems, don't you think that information would be available? I have a book that reveals the secret mantras of TM and the formulas of cookies sold in malls. So a magic book that by simply reading scripts would cure every problem on earth should be available everywhere. It's not. Why not?

The reason is because of you very first question. You wrote: "Is it possible, through hypnosis, to change a person's disposition? Let's say a person has glum, serious, unhappy. Can it be changed to that of a personality that is happy, joyous and vivacious?"

You see, you are not describing a problem at all, you are only describing symptoms. Ten people might have the exact same symptoms and each have different causes and different ways of relating to a hypnotist. As a result, even though the symptoms are the same, the method for using hypnosis to work with them could be different for each one!

So how does a hypnotist know which approach to use? Training. Experience. Networking and seeing what others are doing. That is the legitimate use of scripts--to get new ideas and new approaches and to trigger new ways of thinking. If someone is merely reading a script from a book or website, and not one that is specifically designed for a particular client, that hypnotist is either poorly trained, insecure, or inexperienced.

In your original post you gave a supposedly fictional person, mentioned only a few things they'd like to change, you were not specific, you did not let us interview the client in person, etc. Basically, your asking us to diagnose in absentia, and that is both unethical and illegal.

Actually one of the more logical responses. So, wouldn't it be fair if the inital respone would have been, "Yeah, but a simple script doesn't work. You would need work on the underlying problem and not the symtoms. It would take someone with training, experience, networking......"

Instead I get: "
Is it possible, through hypnosis, to change a person's disposition? Yes Let's say a person has glum, serious, unhappy . Can it be changed to that of a personality that is happy, joyous and vivacious? Yes If so, how? Hypnosis Are there scripts for this? Yes Next question... To Your Best, Doc" Ofcourse, this guy says there are scripts for this. But look at his post, how little useful information there is. Then he asks for more questions. He apparently is just playing games. Basically, I was asking for a direction rather than a therapy session. And definitely was not asking for snide condescending comments.

[Senin]

Senin,

I love your attitude. ---I don't know how to do something BUT I'll ask total strangers, whom I do not know and who have put in the time, effort and money to get what I want and I want them to give it to me for free and if they call me on it, I'll get snippy.---

Someone has the answer and you're are not sure you would want to learn from them. Sounds like a mind already made up about the way something should happen even though you've not had the experience. That's like a 4th grader telling the doctor, ---I'm not sure you can help me get this splinter out of my finger, even though you helped everyone else.---

And yes good training WOULD keep you from making very poor judgments like ---most of NLP is crap.--- And yes training and doing the drills are required for any skill. Walking, talking, driving, hypnosis, NLP etc. any skill requires some form of training.

If you had taken the time to read the archives you would not have to wonder what we discuss here, you'd know and you wouldn't be getting answers you don't like.

From the archives you'd already know that scripts are not very good or dependable as each interaction has its own dynamics and written scripts, unless they come from your unconscious competence (they wouldn't be written then), will not do you very much good. From the archives you'd know we don't give the type of information you are asking about for all sorts of reasons. From reading the archives you'd know that we have helped many people with similar questions to yours and you could see how they asked to get help from those who have an answer.

And yet, I can understand why you would wonder what we discuss here, as it seems you haven't looked to see what we discuss here. I've gotta try that... Walk into a strangers house, ask where they keep the combination to the safe and btw where is the safe and if they ask ----why should we tell you--- I'll get smart with them. Yeah, yeah that'll work.

To Your Best,
Dr. Houston Vetter

Yeah, I love your attitude too.

Hey, I had a problem with a plumbing issue and the people on the DIY forum were more than helpful. I had a bee sting and got useful information on the internet for helping that situation. But, according to you, I am a total stranger and should not have received this advice because others have put in time and effort to learn their craft. That's right. How dare I ask them these questions-- the "combination" to their "safe". Especially in their "house". Funny, on those other boards, nobody wrote "why should we tell you? You haven't put in your time or effort."

Pal, I think you need to lighten up a bit. Anybody who refers to themselves as Dr. on a message board takes themselves way too seriously.

[Don]

Senin, first, I don't have to defend Doc since he can do so himself. But the fact is, he did answer your questions, just not in the way you liked. :)

However, the interpretation of my answer is not exactly correct. You see, there are different types of hypnoTHERAPY. Sometimes a simple script will work. Sometimes you need to work on the underlying problem and sometimes you can simply ask the unconscious mind of the client to make the change without knowing the underlying problem. And sometimes you find the underlying problem only to discover there is another problem that is beneath the underlying problem!

This may sound very complex, but with training and experience it can become second nature. Go back over my posts, here. You'll see that people ask a question about making a change and some people reply with ways the change can be made for some people. In some cases I delve deeper and have discovered that the symptoms are only what we call "the presenting problem and not what really needs to be dealt with.

As you can see, this is complex. Hypnotherapy is not a magic wand where reading a script saves the world. It is a skill that is learned through training and practice. Unfortunately, we can't give either of those here. But we can point people in the right direction.

[Don]

Bee stings and plumbing are physical problems that require physical answers.

Hypnotherapy deals with the mind. It's non-physical. Therefore, your analogy really doesn't hold up.

[Docresults]

Anybody who refers to themselves as Dr. on a message board takes themselves way too seriously.[/quote]

According to whom, how would you know that and what script are you reading from? Going off your internal script why else might some refer to themselves as Dr. or with any label or name? Why would any undercover police officer show his badge? Why would a teacher identify themselves as a teacher? Is it really ---way to seriously--- or simply the most expedient?

The script you have going in your head hasn't come to those lines that say ---maybe I didn't find out how they do things here--- You're still comparing this list to where you've been before and even after realizing it is different haven't looked at the archives, nor taken much advice given and have continued to insult others.

Even though I specifically answered your first questions correctly, you got upset because I didn't answer your unanswered questions and when I answered the unanswered ones you got insulting. The fact that you wrote ---why didn't we answer your question a certain way instead of the way we did---without checking out the archives, is a good example of not really respecting anyone seriously or even lightly here.

As one of those creators of crap said---Instead of acting serious, seriously act---

[Connie]

One man's crap is another man's treasure...or some such expression! :) My first experience of NLP (formal experience), my teacher told the class a few stories, and when he was done, my lifelong spider phobia was a thing of the past!!! He wasn't even talking to me, or so it seemed!!! To me, that's treasure! That's artistry. That's brilliance. There are tools, and then there is the know-how to use the tools to their greatest effect. That comes from many things, including life experiences and innate smarts, and paying close attention to those that know. A few of the people here know a few things about NLP, I'd pay attention if I were you!!

[Senin]

Anybody who refers to themselves as Dr. on a message board takes themselves way too seriously.

According to whom, how would you know that and what script are you reading from? Going off your internal script why else might some refer to themselves as Dr. or with any label or name? Why would any undercover police officer show his badge? Why would a teacher identify themselves as a teacher? Is it really ---way to seriously--- or simply the most expedient?

The script you have going in your head hasn't come to those lines that say ---maybe I didn't find out how they do things here--- You're still comparing this list to where you've been before and even after realizing it is different haven't looked at the archives, nor taken much advice given and have continued to insult others.

Even though I specifically answered your first questions correctly, you got upset because I didn't answer your unanswered questions and when I answered the unanswered ones you got insulting. The fact that you wrote ---why didn't we answer your question a certain way instead of the way we did---without checking out the archives, is a good example of not really respecting anyone seriously or even lightly here.

As one of those creators of crap said---Instead of acting serious, seriously act---[/quote]

Okay, you can start refering to me as Officer Senin. Nah, maybe Teacher Senin. Now what is that word I am looking for? Ummmm, pompous, pretentious, ostentatious?

Lighten up, Larry, ya ain't all that.

Geez, they warned me on the other message board.

[Poodle]

I'm not even reading your posts. You judge without knowing facts. You tell someone who is a Dr. that he is not a Dr. How about a couple of doctorates - enuff for ya. NLP doesn't work? Okay. 1. You paid no attention in class, 2. you forgot to attend class or possibly 3. you had a bad instructor or 4 your instructor was beyond excellent and it has not filtered over to your conscious mind YET. NLP works better than about anything in the whole world. Why? It was taken from excellence. People that had extra-ordinary success with people like you or worse.

We don't use scripts in hypnosis. Period. Full STOP!

Go back to DIY plumbing and bee stings! Bye bye!! Pood :mad:

[Docresults]

Okay, you can start refering to me as Officer Senin. Nah, maybe Teacher Senin. Now what is that word I am looking for? Ummmm, pompous, pretentious, ostentatious?

Lighten up, Larry, ya ain't all that.

Geez, they warned me on the other message board.

OK, if you insist pompous, pretentious, ostentatious Senin.

Why anyone would want others to call them those names are beyond me, but since you want us to refer to you that way so be it...Those words do describe your original question, ya know...

The funny thing is you are all that (as is everyone) and being true to form you didn't pay attention on the other message board evidently. As Stan said to Ollie or Ollie said to Stan, ---It's another fine mess you've gotten us in.---

Some peoples buttons are so easy to push especially when they perceive offense; it brings out their big words dictionary .

Again, why not operate from the rules of netiquette for newsgroups instead of being pompous and pretentious and accusing others of being so? Maybe then you wouldn't perceive others as better than you, or as if you were being attacked and you could lighten up on yourself. Simply following normal netiquette would have kept you out of a position that you feel you need to defend.

To Your Best,
Dr. Larry (who ain't all that, but is all this)

P.S. Does it strike anyone else funny that a stranger comes on a board and ask for expert advice and when they receive expert advice that they don't like they complain about the expert? (Now that's funny, I don't care who ya are... that's funny.)

[Senin]

I'm not even reading your posts. :mad:

Pood, if ya don't read the posts, then what the heck are ya talking about?

[Senin]

OK, if you insist pompous, pretentious, ostentatious Senin.

Why anyone would want others to call them those names are beyond me, but since you want us to refer to you that way so be it...Those words do describe your original question, ya know...

The funny thing is you are all that (as is everyone) and being true to form you didn't pay attention on the other message board evidently. As Stan said to Ollie or Ollie said to Stan, ---It's another fine mess you've gotten us in.---

Some peoples buttons are so easy to push especially when they perceive offense; it brings out their big words dictionary .

Again, why not operate from the rules of netiquette for newsgroups instead of being pompous and pretentious and accusing others of being so? Maybe then you wouldn't perceive others as better than you, or as if you were being attacked and you could lighten up on yourself. Simply following normal netiquette would have kept you out of a position that you feel you need to defend.

To Your Best,
Dr. Larry (who ain't all that, but is all this)

P.S. Does it strike anyone else funny that a stranger comes on a board and ask for expert advice and when they receive expert advice that they don't like they complain about the expert? (Now that's funny, I don't care who ya are... that's funny.)

Nah, Dr. (oh, by the way, doctor of what?)

Netiquette and politeness would have been nice. But you started out pompous and, of course, pretentious. See, that is the distinction. No, not that something is physical and something else is mental (duh). But that some posts are courteous and some are just snide. Now, just who started this spiral?

Oh, and, how are sales going on all those Tony Robbins-like rib-off websites?

[Jack]

You came on this forum looking for a simple answer to a complex issue.

Some people said that scripts would do it. I did not, because they will not.
Your mind is a little more complex than a series of plumbing joints.

Some of us suggested NLP as a method by which you could achieve your outcome, but you called it crap and dismissed it without any apparent knowledge of NLP. Now, you seem determined to use hypnosis as a means to achieve your ends, but you want a quick fix in the form of of a script.

Then, because you could not get the quick fix you wanted, you threw your dummy out of the pram. Do you not see how you did this?

For the final time:the script you are looking for does not exist. If you wish to go from glum to joyous then you will have to be helped. But you do not really want help, do you? What you still want is the quick fix that you have been told does not exist. You see, pomposity, pretension and condescension exist only in the mind of the recipient and you have in my mind not been subjected to any of them. People have tried to help you to find a way to achieve your aims, but you insist that only one way - the quick fix via the generic script - is for you, and then abuse those who do not meet your irrational desire.

You can go from glum to joyous, but I fear you are stuck with glum until you learn that not everything is as mechanical as you seem to think it is.

Jack

[Docresults]

Nah, Dr. (oh, by the way, doctor of what?)

Netiquette and politeness would have been nice. But you started out pompous and, of course, pretentious. See, that is the distinction. No, not that something is physical and something else is mental (duh). But that some posts are courteous and some are just snide. Now, just who started this spiral?

Oh, and, how are sales going on all those Tony Robbins-like rib-off websites?

Again, ALL your answers to ALL these questions are in the achieves of this list.

[Senin]

You came on this forum looking for a simple answer to a complex issue.


Some of us suggested NLP as a method by which you could achieve your outcome, but you called it crap and dismissed it without any apparent knowledge of NLP. Now, you seem determined to use hypnosis as a means to achieve your ends, but you want a quick fix in the form of of a script.


Jack


No, Jack. You have not seen me here harping on the fact that I want a quick fix. I merely stated at one pointed, how would this be achieved through hypnosis-- are there scripts available? Others have been continuing to press that I demanded a quick fix. All I have really wanted was a little common courtesy. My initial post merely was asking for a direction.

And I keep hearing "with no apparent knowledge of NLP". That is not true. I have knowledge of NLP. I just don't think it is worth much (except of course if you "believe" in it. Of course if you "believe" in anything it will work. Voodoo, est, Avatar).

And to the statement, seach the archives........ be realistic. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of posts on this forum. Nobody is gonna read through them all.

[Docresults]

No, Jack. You have not seen me here harping on the fact that I want a quick fix. I merely stated at one pointed, how would this be achieved through hypnosis-- are there scripts available? Others have been continuing to press that I demanded a quick fix. All I have really wanted was a little common courtesy. My initial post merely was asking for a direction.

And I keep hearing "with no apparent knowledge of NLP". That is not true. I have knowledge of NLP. I just don't think it is worth much (except of course if you "believe" in it. Of course if you "believe" in anything it will work. Voodoo, est, Avatar).

And to the statement, seach the archives........ be realistic. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of posts on this forum. Nobody is gonna read through them all.

I found that Senin has been responding in this same fashion since 2005. I would have figured he would have learned by now.

Yeah but Senin is right no one is gonna read through all the archives they would simply put in the parameters they want to search as demonstrated below...

Whether or not Senin is demanding a quick fix or answers he perceives as common courtesy (which he has not display) it seems then and now he IS DEMANDING...

Senin Senin Junior Member

Join Date: Dec 2005

Quote: Originally Posted by Jack
Google it Senin and you will find many examples. Then again, only google it if you want all your details recording and storing. I digress, but using a metasearch engine such as Ixquick or Mamma will keep your enquiries mostly private and not on some massive database supplied to whoever can pay for it. Jack

Yes, I have websearched it before asking here. I thought a hypnosis message board would have a bit more forthcoming information (instead of "yes" and "check google").
It seems a very ligitimate question.

Senin

Jack
Forum Team Member

Ah well, I tried to help.

Yes, hypnotherapy can help you to learn a foreign language. However you seem to be a lazy person who wants to be spoon fed, so no, hypnotherapy cannot help you learn a foreign language.

Senin Junior Member

I merely asked if it could be done (then elaboration would be nice), I didn't ask for search engines.

And you seem to be a very judgmental person. Perhaps hypnosis could work on that.

[Simon]

Senin you are making an assumption that there is a linear way of solving problems in hypnotherapy. That there is one route for every problem.
Do you know what homeopathy is? It's an alternative medicine and the "cures" that they provide are specific for each problem. If one needs cure for XY, they give them a medicine called QZ.
Now hypnotherapy is nothing like homeopathy... It's more like driving from one city to another... You have to adjust your route every time. Sometimes you will be able to take the fastest and the shortest path, and the other times you'll have to go waaayyyy around and it will take a bit more time.
See the members of this board can give you exact route, but guess what... there is high possibility that you will have to adjust your route... and that is where mastery comes into place.

And don't forget, hypnotherapy uses the words as a tool but there are many more tools in the toolbox.

[Senin]

It always amazes me that some people in the forums write, I shouldn't have to answer you, you should look it up in the archives. Yet, they post anyway...

Of course, I gave up chasing birdies when I was 3 years olds.

And, had realized the silliness of Bandler over a decade ago...

[Docresults]

It always amazes me that some people in the forums write, I shouldn't have to answer you, you should look it up in the archives. Yet, they post anyway...

Of course, I gave up chasing birdies when I was 3 years olds.

And, had realized the silliness of Bandler over a decade ago...

OK, here comes the cho, cho train...

That must be why anywhere I've ever seen a post by you it was either asking an ill-formed question or getting angry that the response you got wasn't satisfactory for you.

I'm still looking for a post from you that helped someone or answered any-one's question or showed respect or courtesy and not the behavior of someone demanding that others cater to them. And yet a check of the archives here and else where show this has been your pattern.

[Senin]

Gee, "Doc" (and of what, from where, we may never know), I would love to search the archives all day and read all about ya, but............ you just don't seem that interesting.

But where I have searched, I have discovered either dead links or pseudo-NLP Robbins-esque rip-off programs. I guess they aren't selling, that is why you can spend so much time at the computer posting--------- one and a half post a day for the past seven months. Wow!

[Simon]

one and a half post a day for the past seven months.

Docresults is providing help to hundreds or maybe even thousands of people who read his words.
This is free help, so yeah I agree... let's mock people who do this.

And you might not even realize it, but you are a sad man. Asking for help and then attacking the people who try to help you.. Think about it.

[Poodle]

As an old dawg, Stan said it to Ollie. Pood ;)

[Senin]

Docresults is providing help to hundreds or maybe even thousands of people who read his words.
This is free help, so yeah I agree... let's mock people who do this.

And you might not even realize it, but you are a sad man. Asking for help and then attacking the people who try to help you.. Think about it.

You are experiencing your reality, which may not be the truth.