Chakras...to be or not to be?!

[The Length]

i was watching some bandler the other day and he was harping on about chakras; the seven of them plus the thousands above our heads.

now, im in my skepital phase about chakras and generaly any new age, long haired, youghurt mentality, but watching, its common to anchor to the points of the chakras.

coincidence or anything of substance there?

your thoughts on a postcard...

[Don]

The concept of the chakras has been around for at least 5,000 years.

That hardly seems "new age" to me...

[Poodle]

there are 88,000 chakras mentioned in the ancient texts (Sanskrit) and in Sanskrit chakra means "wheel". The level of consciousness of every living creature depends on the frequencies of prana (absolute energy). Animals have lower frequencies than human beings and advanced human beings have higher frequencies than those at the beginning of their development. It is said there are four energy bodies: ethereal body, emotional or astral body, mental body and spiritual or causative body. There are many different kinds of attunements depending on what one wishes to use the energy for. In Kundalini the chakras in my palms opened. It was quite an experience to feel the prana traveling down my arms to open the chakras. I believe it was in one of Wayne Dyer's books that there was a man in Brazil who had such strong energy that he actually lit up the whole house at night.

If you don't like long hair, don't come to the USA as everyone on all of our $ bills has long hair. How's that for a useful anchor. "What? You don't like long hair? Look at this $100 bill and then anchor yourself." Then pull out a $500 and then a $1,000. I seriously doubt yogurt is New Age either. :rolleyes:

PS - Connie is going to have fun with this one when she gets back.

[The Length]

The concept of the chakras has been around for at least 5,000 years.

That hardly seems "new age" to me...

lol. ok but you know what i mean by new age, yeah?

[The Length]

there are 88,000 chakras mentioned in the ancient texts (Sanskrit) and in Sanskrit chakra means "wheel". The level of consciousness of every living creature depends on the frequencies of prana (absolute energy). Animals have lower frequencies than human beings and advanced human beings have higher frequencies than those at the beginning of their development. It is said there are four energy bodies: ethereal body, emotional or astral body, mental body and spiritual or causative body. There are many different kinds of attunements depending on what one wishes to use the energy for. In Kundalini the chakras in my palms opened. It was quite an experience to feel the prana traveling down my arms to open the chakras. I believe it was in one of Wayne Dyer's books that there was a man in Brazil who had such strong energy that he actually lit up the whole house at night.

interesting.

for some reason i find it very hard to believe that someone lit up a whole house at night with his charkras! lol. maybe he should be connected to the national grid. =D


If you don't like long hair, don't come to the USA as everyone on all of our $ bills has long hair.

im not really a fasict wanker, honest, just a bit of banter :D reike, alternative medicines, new age beliefs etc generally appeal to a certain kind of person ;)

I seriously doubt yogurt is New Age either.

nar, just a term used to describe hippies, krusties etc. if someone is a yoghurty type or talking yoghurt ie they like to hug trees.[/quote]



PS - Connie is going to have fun with this one when she gets back.

yeah...searching thru the forum i see that people actually beleive in this!

lol.

ps...is connie single and living with cats?

sorry dobnt mean to knock people beliefs but :p

:cool:



OMG! i can only use 4 smilies!

lol. someone really did get over zealous on the admin panel when setting this forum up. i suppose that extra little bit of power must be good for the ego :biggrin:wink:

[Don]

reike, alternative medicines, new age beliefs etc generally appeal to a certain kind of person ;)

Yes. According to surveys I've seen they tend to be people with a higher education and who want to take responsibility for their actions, their health, etc.

[Docresults]

i was watching some bandler the other day and he was harping on about chakras; the seven of them plus the thousands above our heads.

now, im in my skepital phase about chakras and generaly any new age, long haired, youghurt mentality, but watching, its common to anchor to the points of the chakras.

coincidence or anything of substance there?

your thoughts on a postcard...

I find it interesting that in your skeptical phase you left out FM and dope smoking but you got in the long hair, new age and in later post hippy type.

Maps (beliefs and opinions) are interesting things. (Your other post in other threads makes me wonder what would happen if you were skeptical about your skepticism?)

Skeptical is good... to a point inside where the real you resides and then it is less than useful.

In Energy Medicine ( another one of them New Age things which is really older than old age) chakras and the beginning and ending of meridians anchor points for a lot of things.

There can be substance there if you know what you are doing.

To Your Best,
Doc Houston

" Your ability to shift and effectively focus your conscious awareness determines the ease with which you move through life." My Grampa Vetter

[The Length]

hasnt science debunked this myth tho? unfortunately reike etc lie more along the lines of suggestion :cool:

and why have i been spelling sceptism with a kicking k!?!? :eek: zomgwtfbbq!

[Docresults]

hasnt science debunked this myth tho? unfortunately reike etc lie more along the lines of suggestion :cool:

and why have i been spelling sceptism with a kicking k!?!? :eek: zomgwtfbbq!

Which science? When? where? How many studies? Who conducted? What are their credentials? Where did they get their funding? (BTW it may be the same people who made Mary Jane illegal...)

Because spell check identifieds sceptism as a mis-spelling and skepticism as correct.

[The Length]

Which science? When? where? How many studies? Who conducted? What are their credentials? Where did they get their funding? (BTW it may be the same people who made Mary Jane illegal...)

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lol. those geeks that invented the internet, no not the swiss, those lab rats that decided against reike as a legitimate form of healing to be used by the national health, thusfore swiftly debunking it. along with all the other alternative forms of medicine along the way, i might add.


Because spell check identifieds sceptism as a mis-spelling and skepticism as correct.

i guess im used to mispelling it the english way ;)

must be time to log off if im picking up americanism alreay. lol :p

[Henrik]

Ahh, good ol' Science. Last time I asked she wasn't quite sure. About the myth thing.

You can try it (chakras) out for yourself. If you do, be careful.

As Doc said "There can be substance there if you know what you are doing.". If you don't know what you're doing there might still be substance there...

Learn about grounding.

Henrik

[The Length]

As Doc said "There can be substance there if you know what you are doing.". If you don't know what you're doing there might still be substance there...



haha. exactly, depends on what you percieve the affects maybe.


:spooky:

[Poodle]

So, what does work in your world besides Western Medicine? In NLP we believe there is no such thing as failure, only feedback; however, you are pushing the limits. You are, of course, entitled to your opinions but please make them INFORMED opinions. Why could it be that most NLP Trainers also teach ENERGY and HYPNOSIS.

[Poodle]

Please list all studies by national health on complimentary medicine and please list the skill level of the people involved and please reference all papers by name, date, number of participants, etc. Thank you. Pood :mad:

[The Length]

So, what does work in your world besides Western Medicine? In NLP we believe there is no such thing as failure, only feedback; however, you are pushing the limits. You are, of course, entitled to your opinions but please make them INFORMED opinions. Why could it be that most NLP Trainers also teach ENERGY and HYPNOSIS.

my opinion is informed poodle.

i know for a fact that if i go to the doctors they are not going to prescribe me a session reike. no doubt they would prescribe remidies that have been unbiasedly tried and test and have a greater sucess rate than 50/50. fact!

i have spent a long period of my life believing in this kind of non sense and have experienced both sides of the issue directly. seems odd that seemingly intelligent people, obviously - some more so than others, would unchallangly and possibably blindly, believe in such medicines. suppose stranger things have happened at sea tho!

but we a digressing. my query was: is it a coincidence that anchoring is commonly used at so called chakra points? do nlpers think that they are utilising the bodies frequencies in this way? or are they taking advantage or people assumations regarding chakras. ie that they think the patient might have some or little knowledge of chakras??

[The Length]

Please list all studies by national health on complimentary medicine and please list the skill level of the people involved and please reference all papers by name, date, number of participants, etc. Thank you. Pood :mad:

the fact that it is considered an alternative medicine is proof enough...you proof me wrong ;)

[Charlie]

i was watching some bandler the other day and he was harping on about chakras; the seven of them plus the thousands above our heads......now, im in my skepital .....your thoughts on a postcard...


Well, if Bandler says it's so, then it's so, and that's all there is to it.

;) :)


Charlie ( ........ who is currently listening to Bandler's "Meditation, Magick & Change" CDs http://www.hypnosisforum.com/images/icons/icon3.gif )

[The Length]

Well, if Bandler says it's so, then it's so, and that's all there is to it.

;) :)



cool. well thats that then. :D bandler is conciously and actively utilising the so called 'chakras'. wicked. end of..cheers charlie :p

[The Length]

cool. well thats that then. :D bandler is conciously and actively utilising the so called 'chakras'.

would everyone agree on that... i simple yes or no would suffice.

[Charlie]

would everyone agree on that... i simple yes or no would suffice.

I think it could be yes and/or no.

;)

[Henrik]

What about maybe?

[Charlie]

What about maybe?

Maybe maybe too.

:)

[The Length]

rah! breaking the rules. breaking the rules! :D

well i guess im going to have to say no then.

although the chest and stomach area are linked with emotional feeling, so i think theres a certain amount of amplification that could be gained from anchoring those points.

[Docresults]

rah! breaking the rules. breaking the rules! :D

well i guess im going to have to say no then.

although the chest and stomach area are linked with emotional feeling, so i think theres a certain amount of amplification that could be gained from anchoring those points.


I really enjoy people who know very little about energy, energy in motion (emotions), how energy works, how emotions work, etc. coming to conclusions even after they are told otherwise.

It still amazes me how one's patterned thinking can filter what has been said by others and come to a bold-ed (even though not capitalized bold) conclusion and without any practical experience. It goes to show how, haughty because of fear, the ego part of our mind can be believing that right is might and if we believe it is so, it is.

(It actually is if we don't have any other conflicting beliefs and that is where the difficulty comes in.)


To Your Best,
Doc

[Docresults]

lol. those geeks that invented the internet, no not the swiss, those lab rats that decided against reike as a legitimate form of healing to be used by the national health, thusfore swiftly debunking it. along with all the other alternative forms of medicine along the way, i might add.



Which geeks that invented the internet, which studies, how many studies, etc?

It seems you have a very narrow understanding of what makes up health. Medicine ala mainstream chemical medicine, is only one of three components that make up health and it is the least important unless the other two aren't addressed and taken care of. i.e. you don't go to the sick to learn how to cure the sick...

...you go to the well and if it isn't deep enough you dig deeper. (Answers are always further in...Side who you gonna listen too those who are well or those who have more people die than live and are the leading cause of death ahead of heart disease and cancer?)

To Your Best,
Doc Houston

[Don]

lol. ok but you know what i mean by new age, yeah?

No. Do you mean the magazine that came out by that name decades ago?

[Don]

the fact that it is considered an alternative medicine is proof enough...you proof me wrong ;)

Hmmm. Considered alternative by the doctors of National Health looking to preserve their own jobs.

I believe they have come from the same people who brought you leeches and bloodletting to remove evil humors from the blood.

Oh, and BTW, NH approves of naturopathy (the Royals use it as their primary health system) but here in the States that's considered not only alternative, but it is considered fake by many in the AMA (equivalent to the NH).

Perhaps instead of being true believers showing servile allegiance to the high priests of any particular medical religion it would behoove us to actually act like scientists and investigate claims for ourselves.

[Terry]

Be kind guys, you are observing first hand a product of English general education when it is offered to someone who has no desire to absorb anything taxing. The attitude that doctors are "God" is normal, and holds true for anyone who actually absorbed the opportunities offered, and made something of themselves. Not only in England of course, but that is were I first noticed it in action.
Unfortunately in this case, those here who know what they are talking about are not held in such high regard because the poster thinks the subject is one they understand, and therefore it can't be that hard to comprehend... I found the posts amusing at first, but have that poster on "ignore" now as it began to bore me when I noted that all posts have a negative bias, and who needs it?
I am trying to be kind, so I will refrain from commenting...:D

[Poodle]

I really wonder about "The Length". Comes here to say we are all WRONG, tries to argue NLP when indeed there is no NLP training and the conclusion is: Western Medicine which is only over a couple of hundred years old is sooo almighty right. Maybe, just maybe, if The Length had to live in the USA where health care is VERY EXPENSIVE AND COMES OUT OF YOUR OWN POCKET, the thinking may change. Mom's first "night" in the hospital from 2am to 11am was $8,000. That was only hospital, no MD. He billed separately. She was in close to three weeks.

Big name medical schools in the USA are including "holistic" in their courses now. My new MD has special training in "holistic" medicine. Sounds good to me and I'm interested in knowing in what area or areas. The announcement was in the paper Sunday and my request for records to be transferred was Monday.

As I have written before NLP is mandatory in University for certain professions in England. Kewl!! Pood

[Charlie]

...... Mom's first "night" in the hospital from 2am to 11am was $8,000. That was only hospital, no MD. He billed separately. She was in close to three weeks.

Wow.

:eek:

[Terry]

Not only can ill health prove costly, it is at times not enough to have a doctor and access to drugs. I got a call from Ottawa a couple of days ago from a practitioner there asking me if I would help her brother here in Calgary since he has exhausted our medical services and is now left to die of cancer, but he is not ready to give up and is asking for help from alternative methods.
Many years ago, a specialist saw my daughter, a nurse, free of charge, calling it a courtesy for a fellow health practitioner. This is now my chance to recognize his kindness and pass it on as a courtesy to a fellow alternative health practitioner....You can't buy this kind of feeling....

[Connie]

PS - Connie is going to have fun with this one when she gets back.

No. :) I like to have a discourse when I believe the mind on the other end has an interest in listening and THINKING as well as spouting. The OP here doesn't meet that profile--the interest is not there and I even question the ability.

[The Length]

No. :) I like to have a discourse when I believe the mind on the other end has an interest in listening and THINKING as well as spouting. The OP here doesn't meet that profile--the interest is not there and I even question the ability.

well, that was a anti climax wasnt it boys and girls?!