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gremlin9
04-27-2007, 12:59 PM
Hey
I have been studying odd hypnosis and trance methods(covert,instant andpost inductions)
But i came across a article that may or may not be true.
1.It told about how some people can be put in a waking trance by certain fixed patterns, or they can be influenced by certain patterns or arrangements of there surroundings.
2. certain methods of putting a video together where it will cause a person to go into a waking trance(the person who told me about this said this is how derren brown made the zombie video game work) i think its the fact it was repetitive moving through the hallways in the game, then flashes?
3. certain tones played over a loud speaker is seen to put certain people in a trance, but none of them had post hypnosis instructions
does anyone know how this stuff could or would work? methods?
i am very interested in these 3 topics.
thanks
Hi, Gremlin.
Well, first of all, assuming that such things are possible, I don't think anyone here would share them simply because they are ethical and work to help other people. The three things you've described seem to imply that you want to try to control people without their knowledge, and that would be seen as unethical.
Personally, I think you should write to the author of the article you "came across" and ask him or her for more information. Certainly the author would be able to help you with information and documentation, right?
The person who told you about the method supposedly used by DB--is he or she a professional mentalist like DB? If it works, why don't they put something like that together. In fact, if it works, don't you think that every large store that used video displays would include this method to get people to buy more stuff? Which stores are using it? And if not, why do you think they are not using it?
Hmmmm. What are these tones that put "certain people" into a trance? Man, having that knowledge would save me all the time I spend doing inductions with clients and would help people avoid having to study how to do inductions.
gremlin9
04-27-2007, 01:35 PM
yeah i am a bit ify on the if it works part, i was just wondering if that existed.
I see there is a vid called tranced that may be what i am looking for?!
Terry
04-27-2007, 01:59 PM
Don has said it as it should be said. This is a board for ethical practitioners, and those who wish to use mind therapies in an intelligent manner to improve their lives. What you seek is to be found on boards dedicated to something else, dreaming perhaps.....:eek:
Poodle
04-27-2007, 04:32 PM
Was that the name of the movie that never showed? Hmmm, confused as usual, Pood :confused:
Ask Derren and see if he will tell you.
Jack
Poodle
04-29-2007, 07:10 PM
Marshal Sylver (sp?) made the movie. As for DB -- I'm in the wrong country. Wish BBC America would bring some of your "good" programs.
Wonder if I should send my complaint to England or the FCC in the USA.
You can get his shows on DVD, Pood, I think. He is a clever
performer but insists that he is not an hypnotist and doesn't
use NLP.
Does the Pope...?
Jack
The Length
05-02-2007, 10:49 AM
In fact, if it works, don't you think that every large store that used video displays would include this method to get people to buy more stuff? Which stores are using it? And if not, why do you think they are not using it?
like you say it unethical and im pretty sure its illegal.
Hmmmm. What are these tones that put "certain people" into a trance? Man, having that knowledge would save me all the time I spend doing inductions with clients and would help people avoid having to study how to do inductions.
you read my post regarding binaural beats (http://www.hypnosisforum.com/showthread.php?t=2793) didnt you?
its not a stab in the dark to say the flashes were used in such a way (or frquency) to help produce the catatonic state used for the db zombie game, at the very least they were used as anchors.
light arrays, gobos and strobes all have an affect with induction.
like you say it unethical and im pretty sure its illegal.
Since when did stores not do something because it might be unethical? LOL!
What is the law against it?
you read my post regarding binaural beats (http://www.hypnosisforum.com/showthread.php?t=2793) didnt you?
And the effectiveness of it requires the use of headphones, no? This thread is not about using headphones.
its not a stab in the dark to say the flashes were used in such a way (or frquency) to help produce the catatonic state used for the db zombie game, at the very least they were used as anchors.
This is commonly known as a post hoc ergo prompter hoc argument. Put simply, you are saying X follows Y and concluding that Y caused X. This type of argument is also known as a logical fallacy because it assumes causation without proof. It's like saying, "When he was a baby he had mother's milk and now he uses heroin. Therefore, drinking mother's milk causes heroin addiction." In both cases, all that has been shown is that one comes before the other, not that one causes the other. In short, where's the scientific proof for this particular situation?
light arrays, gobos and strobes all have an affect with induction.
For some people. For other's they're just annoying. Some light goggles have an effect on me and others don't. This is true of every person I've ever talked to.
The only exception to this that I've heard of is the Bryon Gysin Dream Machine, and that takes at least 15 minutes of leaning into it to have even a minor effect.
The Length
05-07-2007, 01:08 PM
Since when did stores not do something because it might be unethical? LOL!
What is the law against it?
in today consumer society how ethical a business has increasingy importance. granted some will more than others.
regarding the law about subliminal advertising/ messaging: a few back i was told directly from a trustes source at granada studies, here in the uk, that subliminal advertising was made illegal. he was referring to frames being added to commercials ir that old wifes tale of popcorn/ coke at the cinema.
having said that ive googled and googles and havent found anything concrete, so it seems to be a bit of a grey area.
And the effectiveness of it requires the use of headphones, no? This thread is not about using headphones.
yes, and the op suggested the use of tones. do you know what comes thru headphones, yes that right don, tones! and indepedant of its source ie headphones are not, brain wave syncronisation will still work if your located in the CLP of a stereo or even a omni audio out put such as surround sound 5.1 etc this technique called also be used in a theatre or cinema.
This is commonly known as a post hoc ergo prompter hoc argument. Put simply, you are saying X follows Y and concluding that Y caused X.
well that could be said for anything where x follows y. so that comment fails dramatically!
as for light being used to induce. a big flash of light can easily be used as a pattern interupt. in fact i had a similiar experience with the opposite stimuli, in the form of the fuse going and all the light turning off. at that point in time if i was giving a command or suggestion, it would have gone straight to the subconcious.
lastly re: zombie game. db uses flashing lights at particular points for a reason. whether to anchor or interupt, both, or whatever im not sure. he also used them on the photobooth trick to put the student into a catatonic state, which lasted up to 13 hours!
i would be interested to see any information regarding topography and induction. i suppose if i person is confused and disorientated...
in today consumer society how ethical a business has increasingy importance. granted some will more than others.
Really? Tell that to Wal-Mart. What matters is negative publicity. If they can dodge that they'll do anything. That's the nature of unregulated capitalism.
regarding the law about subliminal advertising/ messaging: a few back i was told directly from a trustes source at granada studies, here in the uk, that subliminal advertising was made illegal. he was referring to frames being added to commercials ir that old wifes tale of popcorn/ coke at the cinema.
having said that ive googled and googles and havent found anything concrete, so it seems to be a bit of a grey area.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no such law. There are cases where supposedly advertisers don't want it because they don't want viewers to "sleep" (their understanding) through an ad. However, I do not know if this is true.
In 1957 a man named James Vicary coined the term "subliminal advertising" and started a company based on a 6-week test in which he flashed "Drink Coca-Cola" and "Hungry? Eat popcorn" during a movie for 1/3000 of a second at five-second intervals. He claimed that as a result sales of popcorn and Coke in the theater increased 57.5 percent and 18.1 percent respectively. In 1958, Vicary conducted a television test in which he flashed the message "telephone now" hundreds of times during a Canadian Broadcasting Company program, and found no increase in telephone calls. In 1962, Vicary admitted that he fabricated his claim.There has never be a replication of his claimed results.
yes, and the op suggested the use of tones. do you know what comes thru headphones, yes that right don, tones! and indepedant of its source ie headphones are not, brain wave syncronisation will still work if your located in the CLP of a stereo or even a omni audio out put such as surround sound 5.1 etc this technique called also be used in a theatre or cinema.
Sorry, but I disagree. I have actually tested this on myself and with others over 20 years ago using carefully controlled tones. It works by creating what is called "superheterodyning" in the brain. If you use speakers it creates the effect in the air and is not effective.
well that could be said for anything where x follows y. so that comment fails dramatically!
Not at all. If Y follows X and it can be shown that Y caused X then there is no post hoc ergo prompter hoc argument. Respectfully, you have only shown a time relationships, not that one thing caused another.
as for light being used to induce. a big flash of light can easily be used as a pattern interupt. in fact i had a similiar experience with the opposite stimuli, in the form of the fuse going and all the light turning off. at that point in time if i was giving a command or suggestion, it would have gone straight to the subconcious.
I never denied that "a big flash of light" can be used as a pattern interrupt. However, you weren't talking about "a big flash of light." Rather, you were talking about "light arrays, gobos and strobes" affecting induction. I said that may be true for some people, but not all. A big flash of light might have an effect, but it might not help induction.
lastly re: zombie game. db uses flashing lights at particular points for a reason. whether to anchor or interupt, both, or whatever im not sure. he also used them on the photobooth trick to put the student into a catatonic state, which lasted up to 13 hours!
i would be interested to see any information regarding topography and induction. i suppose if i person is confused and disorientated...
Or, he could use them to disguise the real method he uses. For hundreds of years magicians have used a flash of smoke to misdirect and get people to focus away from where the real "work" was going on. Isn't it possible that DB is just continuing in this tradition?:D
Poodle
05-09-2007, 09:08 PM
but stores can be very wicked. The higher priced items that you really don't want are very handy and just a reach out gets them. Usually what one really wants is on the high shelf or rack and one needs to be 7' tall to get to it or else one can start crawling around on the dirty floor to find something else. The "new" marketing strategies in America.
Sorry, but I disagree. I have actually tested this on myself and with others over 20 years ago using carefully controlled tones. It works by creating what is called "superheterodyning" in the brain. If you use speakers it creates the effect in the air and is not effective.
......
Or, he could use them to disguise the real method he uses. For hundreds of years magicians have used a flash of smoke to misdirect and get people to focus away from where the real "work" was going on. Isn't it possible that DB is just continuing in this tradition?:D
Smith Marsh and Brown first 'discovered' the Frequency Following Response in the human brain in 1975, following on from the work of pioneers in the 1930s. It works quite well with headphones as you say, but not with speakers unless they are positioned to mimic headphones and are at a maximum distance of four inches.
And I agree that Derren Brown uses misdirection, and quite brilliantly, but discussing how is not for an open forum.
Jack
Hypno-sorcerer
07-15-2007, 06:46 AM
Hey
I have been studying odd hypnosis and trance methods(covert,instant andpost inductions)
But i came across a article that may or may not be true.
1.It told about how some people can be put in a waking trance by certain fixed patterns, or they can be influenced by certain patterns or arrangements of there surroundings.
2. certain methods of putting a video together where it will cause a person to go into a waking trance(the person who told me about this said this is how derren brown made the zombie video game work) i think its the fact it was repetitive moving through the hallways in the game, then flashes?
3. certain tones played over a loud speaker is seen to put certain people in a trance, but none of them had post hypnosis instructions
does anyone know how this stuff could or would work? methods?
i am very interested in these 3 topics.
thanks
I reckon advertisers do it all the time.
Merlin
12-10-2007, 11:00 AM
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Oh, fun.
Another troll post.
I notice a great deal of such posts from our new 'authority on all things'
It clutters the forum, but it's always good for a laugh.
Poodle
12-10-2007, 02:36 PM
I just found out on another website that DB does use hypnosis and NLP. It's non-commercial so I sent the link to Don to see if he thought it could be posted. It is really kewl as it has lots of practical knowledge and exercises which we still need to keep the noggin's working well. I am definitely planning on linking it to my website as everyone can always use practice IMHO.
I am going to watch a couple of the DB's they had posted to see if I can catch him. :eek:
Merlin
12-10-2007, 05:04 PM
You still haven't shown that the AMA was wrong about hypnosis.
DB is a showman. This should be a clue to all but the brain dead. There are elements of hypnosis, NLP, 'mentalism' and stage magic in his shows. Enjoy the show, deconstruct the show, but remember that it is just a show, not the Second Coming or evidence of Satan. DB uses trickery? Shock, horror..
As for the veracity of hypnosis, well, it's all untrue. Hypnosis does not work. Neither does NLP. It is true that I and numerous other hypnotherapists have been using both for many years with great success, but it is all a figment of our various imaginations and a product of self-delusion caused by alcohol and mind altering drugs (in my case whisky and caffeine).
I realise now that I have spent my life in the fog of illusion and will retrain tomorrow as a plumber.
Jack
Docresults
12-11-2007, 05:57 AM
These people aren't stupid or ignorant, they just don't know how hypnosis works.
And based on what you have written in this forum neither do you.
Well, I did take a good look at your messages and commented upon one in particular. I did not suggest that you had insulted anyone or that you were or are a troll. But if you think that is what I said then that is your belief and you might examine it at your leisure.
A LOT of people - tens of millions of people - sincerely believe that Derren Brown can instantly hypnotize complete strangers on the street, read their thoughts just by studying their faces and plant thoughts into their heads.
A lot of people used to believe that the earth was flat and you could sail right off the edge. I am sure you can think of modern examples.
You object that I have doubts about hypnosis but you don't believe that Derren Brown can perform the feats of psychological manipulation that he claims he can?
Object? Not at all. I merely state that it only demands the ability to read in order to prove or disprove the veracity of hypnosis to your own satisfaction. If you cannot be bothered to do that, that is your concern.
Why don't you accept that he is genuine? He is a well-educated student of psychology after all.
There you go again, putting words into my mouth. DB is genuine. A genuine showman, mentalist, hypnotist and NLP practitioner. I was not aware that he had a degree in psychology. I will ask him next time I see him.
Take a look on You Tube for Derren Brown hypnosis and mind-control videos and you will see dozens of comments left by people who are amazed at his hypnotic powers. These people aren't stupid or ignorant, they just don't know how hypnosis works.
When you have lived as long as I have you will realise that people can be amazed by practically anything. Their amazement is no guarantee that what they are amazed by has any value, only that they are too ignorant or gullible to investigate further.
And you know, sometimes they don't want to know because it adds to the excitement of pure belief untroubled by logic. Every dictator in history has relied on this bovine ability in some human beings to not see the wood for the trees.
But I don't really believe that you believe what you are saying since you seem very keen on explaining how you believe all the tricks are done.
Jack
Poodle
12-11-2007, 09:59 AM
SD, you don't have to go to YouTube. Go to the link I posted for practicing NLP. You may learn something or not. Your choice actually.
Secondly, Mayo Clinic (one of the best in the USA) released a study from 1966 to 2004 on the efficacy of hypnosis in the medical community. Shame, shame, shame! Stupid medical doctors using what does NOT work on their patients.
Merlin
12-11-2007, 11:08 AM
Are we discussing hypnosis, or Derrin Brown?
Merlin
12-11-2007, 11:17 AM
Not to mention the Mayo brothers were using hypnosis for anesthesia.
Shame on them for their successes!
Poodle
12-11-2007, 11:40 AM
Cay you raise your arm consciously - using your conscious mind (that 7% of your mind that is linear in thinking and analytical).
If you can, please explain the process from beginning to end for me. Thank you.
Poodle
12-11-2007, 11:59 AM
Right now Mr. Brown as on the Practice NLP website I posted as Derrin using hypnosis, NLP and it is all explained so that even a novice with no understanding of anything can understand it. Of course, as you know it's a lot more fun to do it in person.
If SD does not behave, you have my complete permission to turn him into a frog assuming, of course, your magic wand has got it's sparkler repaired. :eek:
Merlin
12-11-2007, 12:06 PM
Now pood,
there's only about 150 muscles to cordinate.
Oops. I got #78 when I meant muscle #23.
coordinate :)
Poodle
12-11-2007, 01:00 PM
That's right. Actually I "think" from tip to shoulder is 156 or most probably 159.
SD wants arm levitation. I just want SD to CONSCIOUSLY lift his/her arm. Obvious to see I messed up on 14 or was it 17? :confused: Oh SUGAR!! tee hee
Poodle
12-11-2007, 01:43 PM
an answer from SD as to the temporarily missing objects that are right in front of his/her eyes like perhaps keys, a pen or pencil, a book
an answer on HOW we see the colour RED when our eyes are incapable of seeing RED
Come on -- explain it all to me in scientific terms please as I do have a BS degree among other things in life.
Perhaps when you have finished, Dr. Vetter's statement: "You already are" will make sense.
Thanking you in advance and imagining how much I'm going to love your responses,
Mrs. Pood
Im not as nice as you are pood.
I want to see him ride his bicycle consciously.
Id pay to see that.
skip
Henrik
12-11-2007, 02:05 PM
I want to see him ride his bicycle consciously.
Nah.. why not try shaving consciously? Bloody Tuesday.
Sauce_Devil
12-11-2007, 03:53 PM
Cay you raise your arm consciously - using your conscious mind (that 7% of your mind that is linear in thinking and analytical).
If you can, please explain the process from beginning to end for me. Thank you.
Why? I can't see any useful reason to prove that I can raise my arm. :confused:
Can you make your arm rise up into the air all by itself? Have you ever successfully achieved it yourself? If not, is it because you are not hypnotizable enough or is it because it doesn't work?
It's the kind of thing that everyone wants to see and experience, not just for therapy but also for plain old entertainment!
I don't know if you watched it, but in the episode of Louis Theroux's Weird Weekend's that I posted a link to there is a scene where Louis attends a hypnosis training day and is given a suggestibility test; he is asked to put his arms out straight in front of his body, turn one hand palm-up and the other in the "thumb up" position and to imagine that the palm-up hand is holding a stack of encyclopedias while the helium balloons are tied to the thumb of the other hand. Do you see the magic-trick? It puts more strain on your arm muscles to hold your arm out "palm-up" than to hold it in the neutral "thumb-up" position.
How many times do tricks like this get used by people professing to be genuine hypnotists? I'm familiar with several other such tricks and I know that they are used by some unscrupulous hypnotists and also by hypnotherapists to deceive the subject or patient that they are experiencing the affect of hypnotic suggestion.
Can you blame me for being dubious with all this trickery going on?
pmdigi
12-11-2007, 04:11 PM
just shows people that they have imaginations - you don't need to read any more books - you need to take the best most qualified in person hands-on hypnosis/nlp training you can find.:cool:
Terry
12-11-2007, 04:56 PM
"Sauce", you tell us you have read a book, perhaps several for all I know, but confess that you have never "to your knowledge" been hynotised and are still looking for someone to do it to you or for you????? Did I get that right? If so, you are NOT in a position based on your own words to make the comments you do with any authority. This in my opinion makes you a troll, though I use the word without intending offence. I just see you as making a rather silly attempt to gain free information by annoyance. To me that is being a troll as is anyone commenting in an authoritative manner when in fact they know little or nothing.
I suggest you pay the piper and experience hypnosis if it is important to you, and if not stop wasting our time will silly obnoxious comments as if you knew what you were talking about. After all, you DID confess didn;t you?
Incidentally, in my experience over many years, I have had the joy of being challenged by doubters, and via a large bet, have taken their money with delight. not because I enjoy seeing people squirm, but because I have no time for those who challenge my skills while lacking their own.....
Poodle
12-11-2007, 05:43 PM
Now go be a good little boy or girl and answer my questions scientifically. Exercise what's between your ears a little bit just to prove everything scientifically.
Make your arm levitate? Child's play. How about full body catalepsy with your head in one chair and your feet in another and nothing in between. Much more interesting. Don't cha think? May take me 5 minutes max
I'm waiting and I have the patience of Jobe
... After reading about the subject until I was cross-eyed, fed-up and confused...
And yet after reading all of those books you can't name or review any of them. To quote the character of Mr. Spock, "Fascinating."
When I give workshops which involve hypnotizing participants, I often ask for people who have been told they can't be hypnotized of believe they can't be hypnotized.
They end up going the deepest and do so the fastest of everyone.
Docresults
12-12-2007, 06:12 AM
No I don't. After reading about the subject until I was cross-eyed, fed-up and confused I still don't know and you won't tell me except to say "go read a hundred more books". I've put in a fair amount of effort into trying to understand hypnosis but it has been very unrewarding.
Whomever you are,
I haven't followed ALL the twist and turns of your mind in all the different threads you have posted in and yet I don't remember anyone telling you to 'go read a hundred more books'. I think you were given pointers on who to look for and questions asked of you to produce some evidence of your knowledge of what you speak so as better communication and advice could be forthcoming and as of yet you haven't given up knowing that you don't know and are wearing it as a badge of honor and that it entitles you to speak rudely, abusively and ignore any of the useful advice you have been given up to this point. You then change the parameters of what you say you want (results wise) and them blame strangers for not giving you what you want in the way you want it.
I see no problem with that keep up the good work if you enjoy how it has been working for you. BTW, how's that been working for ya?
SD, I'm confused. In another thread you said you weren't interested in hypnotherapy, just stage hypnosis. Here you're saying you've been to a hypnotherapist three times? I don't understand why you did that if all you wanted was to experience hypnosis. Something here just doesn't add up.
However, in spite of your numerous contradictions, let me explain: If you can type messages on a computer, you can be hypnotized. Period. Full stop. However, that doesn't mean every hypnotist (or every person who claims to be a hypnotist) can hypnotize everyone.
There's a saying that has become popular over the past few years: insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting a different result. However, after going to a hypnotherapist and getting no results (including, it would seem, not being hypnotized at all), you went back to this person expecting something different. Not only that, but you did this twice! SD, that says more about you than it does about the hypnotist.
Here's another statement: if you have issues strong enough that you went to a hypnotists to get assistance in changing behavior, and it didn't work, get a second opinion.
Most professional hypnotists I know aren't going to waste 45 minutes to an hour running either of the tests you named. They're too busy helping people change to worry about susceptibility tests. That's something college researchers do to validate their government grants. "Look! We developed a test!"
Your bet is meaningless because you don't describe what "successfully hypnotize me" means. Further, as even the most elementary student of hypnosis can tell you (and it would seem you didn't know after reading all of those book you claim to have read yet can't name), if a person simply doesn't want to be hypnotized, they won't be hypnotized.
Not many people figure out that they are being strung along straight away, it took me three sessions. The hypnotherapist was a very nice lady who I think was quite genuine but misguided in her belief that she could hypnotize me. Like me, I suspect most of her customers left her with a smile and a thank you and never a complaint; most people don't complain, especially if they aren't 100% sure they've been taken for a ride.
Of course, you have no evidence for that, do you? It would seem that based on one observation, that of yourself which is subjective, not objective, and therefore highly questionable, you are willing to defame both a practitioner and "most" of her "customers."
How incredibly insulting you are!
On the other hand, you still haven't stated why you went to a hypnotherapist. I suspect that has a lot to do with your problems. In another thread you say you're only interested in stage hypnosis, not hypnotherapy. You make so many contradictory statements here that I'm inclined to doubt everything you have posted. However, if you've got lots of money and just want to play around, heck, just send your money to me and save everyone some time.
Although you claim to have read so many books, it's clear that you haven't learned the first rule of hypnosis: nobody can hypnotize you. You hypnotize yourself. All a hypnotist does is guide you in this process.
I mean, how long does it take to learn how to be hypnotized? One session? Two? Twenty? You rely on the hypnotist for that judgement.
For a person of average intelligence, it should only take a session including going through the process several times. Hmmm. What does that say about you?
Why not? If I've paid for the session why shouldn't I get what I ask for?
You paid to have tests made? Why? Why not just do the process. You continue to make no sense. What you're saying is you don't want anyone to give you a million dollars, you just want to find out whether or not you can have someone give you a million dollars.
The first thing on anyone's mind when they first submit to being hypnotized is "is hypnosis real?" and so a test to show them that yes, it really does work just like you see on TV would be invaluable in gaining their confidence.
I've hypnotized thousands of people and never had any of them ask if hypnosis is real. You've fallen into a typical debunker fallacy: "if I believe something it must be true for everyone." This is also known as generalizing the specific with no evidence to support such an action.
And in answer to your question, no, it does not work like you see on TV any more than Angel is a vampire or DNA tests come back in seconds as they do on all the CSI-type shows.
If a hypnotist/hypnotherapist can't make my arm rise into the air by itself then I say no, it's not real.
Again, you've made a logical fallacy, assuming that what is valid for you is valid for everyone with no evidence to support that claim. I say that for you it isn't real. I also say, as I did several days ago, who the hell are you and why should I care what you think?
It is clear from your posts that either you are hiding something (i.e., some sort of agenda), confused, lying, or living in a reality where logic is irrelevant.
By "successful" I mean to show me something seemingly impossible; my arm rising into the air by itself, forgetting my own name, a visual hallucination, catalepsy; any of these would be conclusive.
Again, you show that in spite of reading all those books you claim to have read, you know nothing about hypnosis. There is nothing that happens due to a hypnotic trance that doesn't happen in everyday life. I don't help people achieve anything impossible. Rather, I help them extend what their notion of possible is so they can achieve it.
Most of the books I read were from the library, I probably read every one they had on the shelf over a period of some years.
It would seem that you don't remember anything from any of them since all of your comments show no understanding of hypnosis other than what can be seen on TV shows or a quick trip to wikipedia.
Here's a simple question for you: WHY should anyone spend their time proving that hypnosis exists for you? As I have repeatedly asked, Who the hell are you?
In the words of D. Adams, So long, and thanks for all the fish. :eek:
Terry
12-12-2007, 04:54 PM
When someone whom I know to be intelligent, and therefor hypnotisable suggests to me that they are not simply because, bla bla bla, I always accept the challenge to prove them in error. I have never failed and never will for reasons which are obvious to me, but which I will not comment on on an open board.....
You my friend have a choice as far as I am concerned, and believe me I do indeed know that of which I speak, either you are an incompetent idiot, which I doubt, or you are a lier, which may be true, or the person to whom you went was not competent, and since I don;t know her or anything about her, that is possible.
Only a person who is unable due to mental problems to concentrate sufficiently is NOT Hypnotisable, everyone else IS. Take it or leave it, I have no interest in discussing a problem I don;t believe in, and since it is unlikely that you wish to expend the money to come to Calgary to prove the point, you can either take my word for it, or not, makes no difference to me I assure you.
In forty years I have met them all, and never met anyone I was unable to hypnotise, simply because very few mental incompetents exist in normal society.... Come to think of it, a member of my Society works at a mental institute just outside this city, and is using hypnosis in the mental ward with some success, though of course not so successfully as those of us who work with the competent. Question is..."Are you as Smart as a Mental Institutional Inmate"?
Note, I put that part in because of a local program on TV entitled, "are you as smart as a fifth grader". Believe it or not, many adults are not, and I have not intention of competing...:)
In forty years I have met them all, and never met anyone I was unable to hypnotise, simply because very few mental incompetents exist in normal society....
Not worked with many politicians, I see.:D
Jack
I put that part in because of a local program on TV entitled, "are you as smart as a fifth grader". Believe it or not, many adults are not, and I have not intention of competing...:)
I would suggest that there are several TV shows (and examples in other media) that make this same claim. However, such shows do not test whether a person is smart, but simply whether they have the same knowledge base as a 5th grader.
That show does not present complex practical decision making and then compares the results of the decisions.
If being smart were only based on the amount of information a person has, then a ten-year-old computer with a copy of the Encyclopedia Britannica and the World Book Almanac on its hard drive would be "smarter" than any human who has ever lived and who will ever live. I wouldn't want to put such a machine in charge of making any decisions for me.
Henrik
12-13-2007, 05:47 AM
Note, I put that part in because of a local program on TV entitled, "are you as smart as a fifth grader". Believe it or not, many adults are not, and I have not intention of competing...:)
Since you brought that show up I just couldn't resist...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juOQhTuzDQ0
Terry
12-13-2007, 11:36 AM
I would suggest that there are several TV shows (and examples in other media) that make this same claim. However, such shows do not test whether a person is smart, but simply whether they have the same knowledge base as a 5th grader.
That show does not present complex practical decision making and then compares the results of the decisions.
If being smart were only based on the amount of information a person has, then a ten-year-old computer with a copy of the Encyclopedia Britannica and the World Book Almanac on its hard drive would be "smarter" than any human who has ever lived and who will ever live. I wouldn't want to put such a machine in charge of making any decisions for me. And I didn't comment on the intelligence of the producers either, though they are clever enough to make money from such a program....:D
Poodle
12-13-2007, 12:13 PM
if one answered: At the rate it's going, it will be. Then names change so what is taught in history? History is: period. Full stop.
Would I be disqualified?
I happen to enjoy "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader" as it seems to me too many people in this country don't bother to engage brain and think (a certain amount of knowledge is necessary for the "thinking" process to be productive.) I believe where I live education is only mandatory through 7th or 8th grades and the drop out rate in 9-12 is 25%. Not good IMO.
I have read numerous times that Australia is in Asia according to reporters of The New York Times.
Please read Skip's comments on the educational system in the USA. I believe it's something to the effect that a third grader actually knows less than when began school. :eek: