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John Warner
08-29-2004, 10:44 PM
hey guys :) some of you might remember me from the old forum, but i doubt it.

i haven't spent much time looking over the forums recently, which is probably foolish of me.

anyway, a long time ago, i made a post to the effect that i was unable to go into trance.. ( i can't find it on the old forum anymore..:confused: ) at any rate, we got past the idea of what trance is, and all that. i've studied hypnosis quite a bit since then and am fairly confident with it, so im familiar with the facts pertaining to it..

my problem is that as of yet, i have failed to respond to a hypnotic suggestion. nlp techniques are difficult for me as well. i have gotten small (very small) results from some techniques, but even then it's hard to tell if it's working. i try to set anchors, and so far i've failed. i've gone all out and have tried setting them with states that are as powerful as i can think of (sexual arousal for example) and they just don't work..


anyway i'll keep practicing. the problem is, tho, that my education is kinda scattered, i've listend to a lot of stuff, from as simple as self-hypnosis courses (like Dick Sutphen's) to as complex as bandler's DHE.

i have a fealing that i've put the cart before the horse haha. it's difficult to evaluate if im headed in the proper direction.

i've been to a few hypnotysts, who have been unable to get me to experience a hypnotic phenomenon.. it's been suggested to me that i dont need somebody to bulldose me under, that i should spend more time in meditation, or looking through my life, trying to figgure out what's stopping me.

maybe i have controll issues.. who knows.. at any rate, this brings me to the seccond part of the post-- i've never smoked canibus before.. i guess i never liked the idea of losing control of myself.. when i was young the idea of hypnosis scared me very much as well. anyway. i've heard time and time again that weed might help put me in a state that can be utilized, so about a week ago i tried it for the first time.

i went into a pretty deep altered state, thats for sure. still, it's strange. i can accept suggestions in that state, like my eyes being glued shut, but as for the suggestion that i can't open them, i just don't accept it. i feal as though the state of being high is headed in the right direction, but weither it will help me go into a trance normaly or not i don't know.


im wondering if the exploration of trance with the use of canibus is something that you guys think is a good idea. i'm also wondering if someone could give me feedback on my general direction. i have a fealing that i should just go back to meditating and listening to a self-hypnosis session every day, but maybe theres a better way to do it.

at any rate, sory about the long thred. thanks for your time guys :)

p.s- i have the fealing that this thred has "impatient boy" writen all over it. i just wanted to add that although i do tend to be impation sometimes, i have no problem with the long, dedicated approach.

John Warner
08-29-2004, 10:53 PM
i wanted to add-

i guess a while ago i kinda decided that i wanted to become proficient in trance before focusing on self-mastery and all that jazz. to use the old phrase again, don't put the cart before the horse, right? i guess thats why i've been focusing on experiencing a hypnotic phenomenon

i'm interesting in all forms of personal development that hypnosis has to offer, and am quite facinated by the prospects of hypnosis.

it seems to me that the persuit of a hypnotic phenomenon might acctualy be the wrong direction to take right off the bat..

Jack
08-30-2004, 06:31 AM
Hello John,

I remember you from the old forum only because you have the same surname as Jack Warner, a 40s/50s English film&TV actor most famous for 'Dixon of Dock Green' a TV cop series. I liked Jack Warner so I have a predisposition to liking you and my own name is Jack which helps.

So I visualise you absolutely incorrectly, as an aging (actually now dead, but trime warps being what they are..) actor/policeman with an absolutely unshakeable set of ethics and morals.

Anchors are like that and you have millions. Just cut through the expectation od weird trance states and examine any memory you have and see how it makes you feel. Or if you notice any changes in your body or your thoughts. If you can't elicit any feelings, pictures, tastes, smells etc., for any memories then you are clinically dead, and should not be attempting to engage in discussion.:)

If what you are doing isn't working...you should know the next bit.

Try meditation, yoga or go to a good hypnotherapist or NLP person. Personally I have only ever had one failure to go into trance and that person was, unbeknown to me, deaf. Ah, the early years.

Just don't give up.

Jack

John Warner
08-30-2004, 09:33 AM
hah well i'm happy to know that my name brings such fond memories. those old-school hard-boiled cops are wonderfuly hilarious. i love em :)

of course, you're right, i suppose. the best course of action to take would be to find a practitioner and work with him. when i grad from school i'll do that right away, methinks.

as far as anchors, it's difficult for me to get into an emotional state, but it's true that i do feal SOMETHING.. i'm sure most people would tell me to 'work on my sub-modalities' so maybe thats what i'll do. anyway, i'll keep at it as always :) more meditation for me.

thanks Jack, I apprecieate it.

Merlin
08-30-2004, 08:57 PM
A drug induced state may leave you sugestible, but it has nothing to do with hypnosis.
It might even hamper you later. Do you want to condition yourself so that only drugs can get you there?

As for anchors, eliciting the various states is a skill.

John Warner
08-31-2004, 10:19 AM
Merlin, i think i agree.

also, i have a strange hunch that smoking may have given me anxiety. i've just recently gotten over an anxiety disorder and it came back over the last week (to a certain, coapable degree)

i was just wondering if it would help me to understand the state alot more so i could aim for something when i'm sober. either way, perhaps that path is a bad one.


on a lighter note, last night i had anxiety and was able to completely eradicate it (which is un-heard of for me) with an nlp technique that i kinda made up.

this is great news :) :) :)

Merlin
08-31-2004, 07:45 PM
> i had anxiety and was able to completely eradicate it

Way to go John!!!

John Warner
09-02-2004, 12:19 PM
oh! well..

thanks! :)