Fun with hypnosis

[Kev123]

I been wondering if we could use hypnosis for entertainment. Is it possible to go to a dream-like state, but your not sleeping, your just closing your eyes, and you could be able to go to another world, hab another life, all in the virtual reality of your mind.

You could close your eyes, then in a moment you go to another place, say, a theme park? Or you could go somewhere more fun with all your friends (in your mind though). It may sound pretty dumb, but fun.


You could stay in that state for however long, hours, days, months, years, minutes.

[Terry (existing)]

Kevin, you should read carefully before posting. As posted, the answer to your question is NO. Had you changed one word, the answer would have been YES. Now which word do you think I am reffering to?

[Kev123]

entertainment

[Merlin]

Try lucid dreaming.

[Terry (existing)]

entertainment Wrong son, the word is "we" you see, only persons properly trained should ever mess with the mind for any reason. Nothing wrong with entertainment, there is something wrong with playing with the mind, yours of someone elses.
When you are older, feel free to study and learn anything you want, but always know your own limitations or you can not only come to harm yourself, but also harm a friend, or someone you care about. NOT SMART....

[Kev123]

I had tried lucid dreaming, and i had a few lucid dreams but they are not really clear. I want it to be clear, and explore any place of the world you want, go to disneyland, or places you never been to, like space, or another planet. It sounds silly? Well it will come in handy when you're bored, lol.

[Terry (existing)]

I had tried lucid dreaming, and i had a few lucid dreams but they are not really clear. I want it to be clear, and explore any place of the world you want, go to disneyland, or places you never been to, like space, or another planet. It sounds silly? Well it will come in handy when you're bored, lol.Kevin, let me ask you, why would you be bored? Why would you want to sit around dreaming, lucid or otherwise, when you can learn all sorts of wonderful things if you put your mind to them?
Instead, you have chosen a subject you have no hope of conquering without the expenditure of mega bucks that you don;t have. I suggest you concentrate on books, books of adventure, books on history, books that tell you all about the world you live in. Put the computer away and get down to some serious reading, and you will find you are no longer bored...
Better yet, the dreams you have will be wonderful and clear because you have prepared you mind for them...Disneyland is a book away. Space is also a book or two away. Knights of old, fighting with swords, spears and bow and arrow are there for you to not just read about, but to dream about. When I was your age, I immersed myself in books, I read them, I dreamed about them, and now I have all those dreams in storage to tell my grandchildren and great grandchildren. What will you have to talk to yours about I wonder? That is, if you are lucky enough to have them come to see you. Mine love to come, and I love to have them, and watch their eyes as I tell them stories of days gone by, and adventures experienced in life or through books. There really is not difference to a child you know!

[MissPiggy]

I want.. to ... explore any place of the world you want, go to disneyland, or places you never been to

Yes, that's what I always wanted to do. Well, I did never dream about going to disneyland, but I always wanted to travel and explore as many places of the world as possible. But my desire was never to dream about it, my desire was always to really travel and go to different places. It's a cool thing to do and nowadays it's not even difficult. You just need to save some money and then you can travel to almost every place in this world. It may not be always as perfect as a dream, because sometimes when you travel you run into problems, but at the end these are the most funny stories to remember. And when you really travel and not just in your mind you meet so many different people from different cultures it's fun, interesting and you sometimes also learn something and change your kind of view. Just do it. There is no reason to be bored.

[Merlin]

The problem is not 'lucid dreaming', but rather your skill at it.

[Don]

...I want it to be clear, and explore any place of the world you want, go to disneyland, or places you never been to, like space, or another planet.

Forget lucid dreaming. Do a web search for "remote viewing." There are courses available that will teach this skill.

[Kev123]

Forget lucid dreaming. Do a web search for "remote viewing." There are courses available that will teach this skill.

i heard that of that, but isn't that only for pshyic people???
Remote Viewing, does that ability allow you to talk to people?

[Don]

Kev, respectfully, what part of "Do a web search for 'remote viewing'" didn't you understand? Find a site that focuses on that and they'll be able to answer your questions about it.

[Jack]

You could stay in that state for however long, hours, days, months, years, minutes.

The institutions are full of them. Some would prefer not to be there if they could just escape from the world between the ears and get to the one most other people seem to inhabit. Sadly, they are often unaware that there is any other world, so never get to think about finding it.

Jack

[jaynebeal]

so i guess this would be the wrong place then to talk about hypnosis enhancing a psychic talent or remote viewing skills already present then? what if you took some one with a few psychic experiences, regressed her to her earliest memory and then instiled a belief that she could talk telepathically to a chosen target. what if you also instiled a belief of every emotional attachment she ever had being applied to this target person with the trigger that every time she talked out loud, used the phone, etc, used any means of communication her telepathic ability would be amplified and she would eventually be able to talk mind to mind with the chosen target? what do you think would occur?

or failing that how do think that deep hypnosis might be used to that end?

jayne

[Jack]

This is the absolutely right place to talk about anything connected with hypnosis, Jayne. You can say what you like and believe what you like as long as it related to hypnosis, NLP etc.

But what you say will be subjected to scrutiny and possibly argued with or agreed with. You never can tell, so give it your best shot.:)

Jack

[jaynebeal]

i was thinking that if you took a volunteer and applied this psychic amplification script (many and varied) that she or he could be tested properly before and after to see what results were achieved. You could start with the basic playing or zener cards and note each change....after each script was put in. so you do one hundred runs on nothing, one hundred after one script etcetera to see what changes if any were made to the subjects abilities. I have read of modest success before in parapsycology trials but i think that it all depends on how far both hypnotherapist and subject were willing to go...script wise. talking ethically..the more you put in..as regards emotional leverage as it were to hit a target, the bigger an effect it may have on the subject's normal life outside of the experiment. so i guess you'd need some one who didn't mind being..er...modified..for want of a better word...whatever the fall out as it were. any comments or volunteer hypnotherapists welcome .l.o.l.

jayne

[Jack]

Experimentation is useful, but if you were to do what you suggest
could I suggest that you do it under research conditions?

I only say this because I know of many ad hoc tests that appear to
prove something, but which are shot down in flames as soon as
the scientific community gets hold of it.

Nowadays if you want to prove anything and make it stick it is
wise to provide zero loopholes.

Jack

[jaynebeal]

i would love to but would have to read up on research conditions so as not to be shot down in flames as you say...although saying that i've read many studies in which these conditions were applied and still the skeptics were not convinced. i read of one study presided over by two independent adjudicators and one came out with pro results, the other con...both presented with the same information. one was of course pro and the other a skeptic. it's unfortunate that i don't have the funds for a large scale research operation but i guess you can do it on a shoe string...what i need are volunteers really and a plan!..l.o.l. i guess a cheap way would be to just use playing cards and an electronic shuffler, with a few volunteers and a hypnotherapist....one that would obviously want to do it for the interest instead of cash...l.o.l. I know that it's possible...it's just a case of prooving it....beyond doubt..but as you say...doubt is a highly personal state of mind. as i wrote a while back...reality is only real to any one particular person viewing it at any one particular moment...so if i could dispense with all other possible causes of derision then i should like to get things underway.

another one......what about oobes? if you believe that they are real and can be induced hypnotically...i wonder what they would be able to tell us about the etheral state? i guess you'd start with remote viewing or maybe a finger leaving it's physical companion....any comment?

jayne

[Terry]

Jayne, my question to you would be, suppose such experiments had been done already, Experiments in telepathy, OOB travel, and remote viewing? How would that affect your desire to experiment? Fear of failure, or of what others might say in judgement will always be a barrier to research so long as you let it bother you. If you really want to do research, do it properly, and for your own interest, not for presentation to sceptics who will alway pick you apart because that is their function.
I have done it all successfully. I have also seen such tests fail miserably due to volunteers being bored to death... My guys had fun, my sons, my University students, six of whom volunteered to assist me, and even the young lady who transmitted solo without any pre arrangement, and got through to two of my four receivers from several Kilometers away. She wanted to know if it would work, so she tried it....
If what you do is done for love of knowledge, it will always be enjoyable. If not, don;t waste your time, it has been done before and nobody believes it except those who already did believe. It is not for you or for me the change the thinking of others to suit what we believe.

[Jack]

What you say is true in some cases. Much of it depends upon whose ideas are being challenged and what they would lose if the challenge were successful. That is why you have to have watertight methodology and a great deal of perisistence.

There will always be people who, no matter how much evidence you have will still choose to disbelieve you. There will always be people who behave either from self-interest or because they are irrational by nature. It is not worth trying to convince those people, although we all fall into the trap of trying to do so.

As for reality, well, the best reality to go for is the one which is inhabited by the largest number of people.:)

Oobes are real to those who experience them. They also seem to be intensely personal, so it is difficult to see how one person's experience could be related to another's. In deep trance I have experienced being apparently out of my body many times, but have never learned anything about the existence of other planes or entities. Others may have different experiences.

The important thing to remember is to first prove to yourself that what you are postulating is true or untrue, then proceed from there.

But do keep up the enthusiasm!

Jack

[Don]

I think Jack makes some very good points.

I would point out that the early history of modern hypnosis was quite filled with technical and popular literature on using hypnosis to enhance psychic abilities.

Occasionally, a newer work on this subject will appear. Unfortunately, they are quite rare. I did recently obtain a book called Hypnosis Key to Psychic Powers by Simeon Edmunds published in 1968. It's a small book and, except as a historical note, I wouldn't recommend it as it doesn't say anything of value.

I would suggest looking at later books on Spiritualism (pre 1920) and later books on psychic sciences (probably about 1900-1935)

I think there are few recent books on the subject as most researchers into hypnosis are looking at it from a scientific/objective view while earlier researchers were far more open to a mystical/subjective view.

Good luck!

[Poodle]

Wouldn't Time Line Therapy almost be called an OOBE? How can I be me physically standing on my time line while at the same time floating above the time line with no knowledge of the me standing on the time line. How can my creative mind change me from me to a cherub angel with no suggestion from the practitioner. We have incredible imaginations when we access that powerful part of our minds. Sometimes I have great desires that I need to paint (art) or play (music) and when I am in that creative SC state it just flows with no conscious effort from me at all and I have no idea of how much time may have passed.

[Terry]

That is why I differentiate between OOB "Experience", and OOB "Travel". The former can be ascribed to use of imagination. The later must prove that some part of us, "the mind" actually left the body and traveled to some distant place, then returned with information that could not have been gained by any other means than psychic...
In order to prove it, care must be taken to remove all other possibilities such as telepathy for example... Hence the need to plan properly and consider every other possibility before proceeding.
You might also call this remote viewing since there is no difference in this case except that some would say remote viewing demands that one can hear what is said by someone who is distant at the time. I have never tried that one, but see no reason why it would be any different to reading something.
The work I did in this area was done for pure fun, and with no desire to prove to anyone but myself if such senses existed. I am happy to now accept that they do indeed. I have two sons who were excellent telepaths with each other, and six adult strangers, who were at the time in University, and who are convinced that telepathy is a fact because they proved it for themselves, with a 72.5% success rate in a prolonged test that was done in such a way as not to allow any one person, myself included to know everything that would be presented for sending, and a wild card in an individual who chose to send information at the last minute, which two of my four receivers got it as well as the other information sent. I offer this information for interest, and not as proof for anyone to accept if they choose not to.

[jaynebeal]

hello there. i was intrigued by your success in this area and have many questions if you don't mind. firstly i have read of the maimonides dream telepathy experiments and they had a hit ball park on a scale of one to ten with anything below 5 as a very near miss and so on. did you have a sliding scale of hits or were they exact? was it images that you transmitted or actual words? i say this because as you say most volunteers get very bored of just hitting numerical targets and the hits seem to trail off as the subject loses interest. i also wonder what frequency telepathy would run on as of course it has to to be transmited in the first place...any thoughts on this?

warmly
Jayne

[Merlin]

>so i guess this would be the wrong place then to talk about hypnosis enhancing a psychic talent or remote viewing skills already present then?

It's been talked about before.

Good questions...
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