The Dangers Of Hypnotherapy

[Changy]

I've just found an intersting website claming that hypnosis is dangerous and was resposible for a man devepoping scitzophrenia and a woman being shocked to death literally. The website has an intersting theory in that once a person is in a very deep trance they can be made to do anything. Now a lot of this stuff is a bit far fetched but for some people on this forum to say it is 100% safe and no problems have resulted from it is also far fetched.

Website:
http://www.dangers-of-hypnosis.co.uk/death_and_psychosis.html

I have found when looking at hypnosis;
Anti hypnosis people (like people on the website I have stated) = A
Pro hypnosis people (like Terry, Don, Poodle and others) = B
The truth = C

A----------C----------B

[Connie]

Now, Changy, why would you post a defamatory, muckraking website like that here?

[Poodle]

Let's get a few rules out for you. We cannot make a client do anything the client does not wish to do. The client is ALWAYS in charge of the session. The only thing dangerous about hypnosis is the fact that it is not dangerous enough in the hands of a skilled practitioner. Most of what we do is in the pre-talk. We have your mind set on making the desired change. In trance we can tell nursery rhymes and it will still work. Some people are of the belief that to fix a problem, we have to give you the problem AGAIN. This IMO is totally wrong. You already have it so why should we compound it?

Please read the post I made where I asked for suggestions from other members on hypnosis definition. It says a lot! Please stop being a spanner in the works.

[Changy]

Let's get a few rules out for you. We cannot make a client do anything the client does not wish to do. The client is ALWAYS in charge of the session. The only thing dangerous about hypnosis is the fact that it is not dangerous enough in the hands of a skilled practitioner. Most of what we do is in the pre-talk. We have your mind set on making the desired change. In trance we can tell nursery rhymes and it will still work. Some people are of the belief that to fix a problem, we have to give you the problem AGAIN. This IMO is totally wrong. You already have it so why should we compound it?

Please read the post I made where I asked for suggestions from other members on hypnosis definition. It says a lot! Please stop being a spanner in the works.

I'm not saying that you are wrong but by saying that hypnosis is 100% safe is wrong because you can cause other problems like make even worse behaviour patterns or give clients an even greater desire to smoke. This website is also very wrong but I find the part about the deep level of trance interesting.

[Poodle]

Do you have a reading problem? We cannot make a person smoke unless that person wishes to smoke. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with level of trance. Trance is trance. Period the end. The only times the DEEP levels are needed are for relief of discomfort or having surgery with only hypnosis. Stop reading garbage. You know what happens - GIGO! I happen to teach hypnotherapy. Do you think I may know something about it? Now be a good person and read the thread I suggested.

[Terry (existing)]

Changy, why not make up you own mind instead of being persuaded by others? Are you indeed so weak minded that you can't come to a conclusion without getting input from others of whom you have no knowledge? You don;t know us any more than you know the other guys, so all you are doing is posting backwards and forwards without conclusion. Now personally I don't care what others choose to believe, I accept it as their right to reach a conclusion on their own without intervention from me, and I include you in that.
Where you got the idea that hypnosis is 100% safe I have no idea, certainly not from this board. We constantly recommend posters to find skilled help, and not use some weekend warrior who puts up a shingle but knows little, and has no experience. Why do we do that do you think? Why do you think we tell posters to stop playing hypnotist, and get proper training? Hypnosis can be highly dangerous if misused, and if you have been led to believe differently, someone is in error, or you have misread....

[Connie]

He can read (and choose to believe) all the garbage he wants. There's just no valid reason, IMO, to share the trashy tabloidy malevolent misconceptions about hypnosis here.

[Poodle]

Changy posted this past week (I think) that Changy would like to go to a CERTIFIED HYPNOTIST WITH EXPERIENCE. It would now seem that Changy may have a little fear about the process. I did not click on the link as I do not wish to read garbage.

[Nigel H]

Hypnotherapy is purely a tool and I would suggest not dangerous in it's own right. It will likely depend on the skill of the therapist as to how they ..... wait for it ........ USE that tool.

The idea is that responsible professionals are trained to use the tools ecologically and give suggestions in the correct way after consultation with the client to establish the desired outcome(s).

Someone comes to you with a problem - you do not install it yourself - they have the problem already. Therapy is designed to bring out the issues and resolve them.

A pillow is not dangerous in it's own right - they can be a lot of fun to have a fight with !! But hold it over someone's face and all that can change - it is the USE, not the tool that makes the difference, in my view.

Nig

[Jack]

In the hands of a surgeon a scalpel can be a life saver. In the hands
of a two year old it is dangerous both to the two year old and anyone
who happens to be around.

We have answered this question from you many times now, Changy,
tell me, what is the real problem you have?

Jack

[Poodle]

I read the stupid link. It's about stage hypnosis. People can be "tricked" into believing something in stage hypnosis. It's quite obvious the first hypnotist was totally lacking in skill if the reporting is correct and that's a really big IF.

Now as to McKenna - fantastic hypnotist and NLP'er whether he be doing stage hypnosis, regular hypnosis or NLP. I would mind read that some may be jealous of his great success.

Any stage hypnotist that does NOT remove suggestions at the end of the show is a complete IDIOT.

Is the matter settled NOW?

[Connie]

That's just the one page, Poodle. There's a whole website there, that goes on and on...slamming hypnotherapy, etc. Calling itself "the truth." It does in fact remind me of the more ill-natured tabloid magazines you see in the supermarket.

[Poodle]

One page was more than sufficient to show it for what it is. And you are correct about the tabloid -- gee, I saw that Saddam Hussein is really alive after he was hung (hanged?) in a tabloid at the grocery store. If so, that makes him the third person in all the history of mankind on this earth. Sheesh!

[Connie]

I usually see the headlines about the human-alien hybrid babies.... :rolleyes:

[Poodle]

Please see Changy's thread a little down from this one on 2/13/07. I guess Changy is a little afraid of hypnosis although we say it is wonderful. Changy needs to make up his/her mind and either do it for forget it. We have other things to do on this Forum than to push Changy into hypnosis. Also please note Changy, if you are afraid of hypnosis in anyway, it will be difficult for you to get the changes you so desire. You can believe us, who are professionals or you can believe garbage. Your choice - not ours.

[Poodle]

Let me ask you a little question. Have you ever not been able to see car keys, a pen or some other object while you were looking straight at it? That is deep trance phenomena - a negative hallucination that we do all on our own. Was it dangerous? Did it harm you in any way?

[Changy]

I'm sorry if I have offended anyone in this thread but I have heard so many differening views on if it is safe or not that I do not know what to believe anymore.

[Stoic]

Changy, wouldn't you like to be able to decide which view from all the different vuiews you've heard of is valid? or is not that important? Decide how important it is to you, and many of the pro's here can give you the steps to figure out your OWN personal answer.
To me it looks like, your Stucky right now. But really deep down inside you wana be Changy right?
So you have something to gain from the validity of the different views, how important is it?

[Terry (existing)]

I'm sorry if I have offended anyone in this thread but I have heard so many differening views on if it is safe or not that I do not know what to believe anymore.Changy, you are indeed well named. Why are you apologising to us I wonder? Is it because you are like the Chamelion, and change views according to the company you are in? If so, surely it is us who should feel sorry for you, since it would seem you have no mind of your own. Or is it because you have had the temerity to question us as to the truth of our statements? In the later case, then indeed you should apologise, since you have insulted our integrity, and that is something we value.
Fact is, we are strangers to you, and you should question our truths, but on the other hand, you should also do the research needed to assure yourself of who is right, and without that research you waste both our time and yours. Mine is valuable to me, is yours?
Rather than apologise, follow sensible steps to knowledge, "read, absorb, understand". Until you have done that, do not post any more, since the homework to date is not complete. If all steps are not possible, you are out of luck, we can do no more.

[skip]

Changy,

You cant get anyone to do something they dont want to, under hypnosis.

BUT

Lots of people arent too smart about what they want, or are willing, to do.

Example, "Hey guys watch this!!!!"

And lots of people can be persuaded easily to do some incredibly stupid and dangerous things.

Example, "The back seat will be a lot more comfortable."

Unfortunately placing someone in a hypnotic trancce doesnt raise their stupiditude quotient. But the stupiditude quotient isnt the fault of the hypnosis, it is the base line condition in the first place.

cheers,

skip

[Nigel H]

Changy - does the concept of what appears to be done with stage hypnosis worry you?

If so, this is common place - with many believing what they see on stage is representative of the real world as those of us posting on here know, with therapy based sessions - as opposed to 'entertainment'.

When considering those who take part in stage hypnosis I would suggest it is prudent to remember the reason anyone who went to the show was there in the first place.

1) To simply watch and be entertained by the loonies on stage.
2) To go up on stage and do the entertaining.

Most who go will have a pretty good idea as to the sort of thing that will happen to those on stage - so do you think that those who volunteer to go up as subjects WANT to do the things the hypnotist suggests, or are opposed to them??

They know nothing TOO dramatic will happen and are likely wanting to be part of the attention in the show to make the audience laugh at their 'misfortune'.

So - looking at stage shows in this way, is it possible for you to realise that those people are not being made to do anything that they don't want to do? Perhaps exactly the opposite! Is it more scary to think that those individuals actually WANT to eat an onion, believing it's an apple or sing like Elvis or not remember their own name for a while.

The other thing is that if you believe that these people are doing such things whilst under hypnosis, you know that it works, with regard to having the ability to change behaviours. Hence it becomes a whole lot more powerful when you know this is the case, isn't it.

Put that website to one side and move forward with a new understanding as you see the possibilities it has been able to give you now.

Nig

[Changy]

I have admitted that now I have spoken to people on this forum this wesite does indeed seem like a load of bollocks and I believe you guys here on the forum.

However Nigel I don't believe that everybody that goes to hypnosis shows wants to do what they are told be a hypnotist. I mean in a lot of cases people will volunteer their freinds and their freinds are quite shy so will just go along with it. I think these people are somehow tricked by a hypnotist.

Also I realise how powerful hypnosis can be, I read a report on the internet about a woman (who did not believe that hypnosis could help her) who went to a hypnotherapist and had her anxiety mainly treated in one session. I have read another report where a man went to a hypnotherapist and when he was offered a cigarette at the end of the session but turned it down because he found smoking repulsive. That's why I think that even if a person conciously doesn't want to do something they might want to do it subconciously which results in them doing what they are told by the hypotist.

If a person is told by the hypotist to act like a dog, conciously they would not want to do it but subconciously they might have always wanted to act like a dog and therefore they end up doing it.

Believe me I have not come here to insult your beliefs I simply came here to share my beliefs with you and for you Poodle to tell me I am being a spanner in the works just shows you up as ignorant, saying I am wrong because I don't have the same beliefs as you is absurd.

Summary of this post:
Yes the website is wrong but there is more to stage hypnosis than just someone wanting to do whatever they are told because they want to entertain the crowd, and yes hypnotherapy is safer than most things but still not 100% safe.

Thanks for your time,
Changy.

[Poodle]

...slave to your senses. Definitely going to use that in my NLP textbook. How else to get information into the brain? ;)

[Connie]

One more word about the 2-headed alien baby. :) THAT story is more likely to be true than the things stated on the website posted by Changy! Changy, I went to a hypnosis stage show--recently! In Las Vegas. A woman who was a volunteer and was hypnotized and had participated in the whole show was asked to do something contrary to her desires. It involved "intimate" acts with a chair. She said "no." The hypnotist thanked her for participating and sent her off the stage. That's a far more likely outcome than people being "tricked" into doing things they don't want to do. There are so many people out there who do WANT to do them. Do you understand? You say nobody wants to act like a dog on stage. I'll bet some people do!

Which is more likely? An evil hypnotist who wants to humiliate and hurt people, or one who simply wants to put on an entertaining show? You can be entertaining and respectful at the same time--there are plenty of shows like that.

[pmdigi]

looking forward to reading it.

[Jack]

I don't believe that everybody that goes to hypnosis shows wants to do what they are told be a hypnotist. I mean in a lot of cases people will volunteer their freinds and their freinds are quite shy so will just go along with it. I think these people are somehow tricked by a hypnotist.

You know, it is truly amazing what even very shy people will do when they are given the permission to do so and they can blame something like hypnosis for outrageous behaviour. Inside most shy people is a wicked show-off - being shy is just a behaviour, the same as being confident.

If a person is told by the hypotist to act like a dog, conciously they would not want to do it but subconciously they might have always wanted to act like a dog and therefore they end up doing it.

Could be. Might be in some instances. But it also might be true that some people - in my opinion most - are fully aware of what they are doing and love every minute of being someone or something else before returning to themselves.

100% safe? Nothing is. I could kill you with a fairy cake.:eek: :)

Jack

[Don]

I have found when looking at hypnosis;
Anti hypnosis people (like people on the website I have stated) = A
Pro hypnosis people (like Terry, Don, Poodle and others) = B
The truth = C

A----------C----------B

Hi, Changy.

Well, if i stated B, and the truth is C, then I am obviously wrong or lying.

Now, I would respectfully suggest that neither I nor Terry nor Poodle nor many others have lied at all. Rather, I (and I assume the others) express the truth as I (and they) know it.

One of the things that is important in my life is being as accurate as possible. I'm pretty sure this is true of the others, both named and unnamed. That means we're always open to new information and, if something we said is shown to be false, ready to change to support the accuracy of the new information.

I remember one of the first meetings of hypnotists I ever went to. There was a discussion of arm catalepsy. A professional hypnotherapist said that a hypnotized person would hold their arm out indefinitely. I said, "don't you mean until muscle exhaustion?" Well, the entire group of people practically jumped down my throat! And as a result of that information, along with personal research (both theoretical and clinical) I have determined that I was wrong.

So if I'm not lying--and I would contend I'm not--then according to what you posted my statements of B are not the truth, C.

Since you've obviously researched this, would you please be so kind as to list exactly those points where you claim I have posted information that is wrong? I'm requesting this for three reasons.

1) If it's wrong, I want find the correct information so that I can become a better hypnotherapist, a better teacher, and a better person.

2) If I posted something that was false, I want to admit to it and replace it with something accurate. I would also like to add an apology to my original posts. I don't want to delete them, but I want to admit that I was wrong. And speaking of that...

3) In professional terms, you have attacked my training, my knowledge, and my reputation by claiming that I was not sharing something you call the truth. If you cannot show that I was inaccurate, I will request an apology. If you cannot show that I was inaccurate and will not apologize, then I will request that you be banned from further posting and look into legal action for libel.

Now, I'm sure none of us wants to go there, so just show me where I have not been telling the truth in my posts so I can learn and apologize to those I mistakenly mislead. In other words, support your claim that in some place I have not told the truth.

[Jack]

I did not interprete the formula Changy posted in tha same as you did, Don. I do not think he was accusing you or any one else of lying. Of course I may be wrong.

Anti hypnosis people (like people on the website I have stated) = A
Pro hypnosis people (like Terry, Don, Poodle and others) = B
The truth = C

A----------C----------B

This line appears to be a continuum rather than an equivalencyand what this illustrates is his/her belief that the 'truth' about hypnosis lies somewhere between the two beliefs. Of course it does not, since the beliefs elucidated on the website are less beliefs and more prejudices, but if Changy chooses to believe that then either a) nothing will change that opinion b) something will change that opinion.

If the first then we are all wasting our breath and should move on.

If the second then we have not found the 'something' which would change the opinion. Is it worth trying? I do not know. I have said all I wish to on this subject, and therefore I am inclined to favour the first.

But with respect I do not think it is helpful to become offended on here where perception is king and we have no idea of the motivation of the poster apart from that we either interpret or mind read, although I do understand your annoyance if what you understood to have been said, was said.

Jack

[Don]

Hi, Jack.

I understand what you're saying.

However, I'm not offended at all. Nor do I think he was claiming I was lying. However, he did state that I said something that was not the truth. By not being specific that could be anything. I asked for specificity.

What, specifically, had I posted that was not the truth? I'd like to know where I was wrong. I can't learn anything from learning that some unknown thing or things I had written were wrong. What were they?

If there is nothing specific then Changy should apologize for the accusation.

I don't think that's being offended. I think that's just asking for transparency.

[Terry (existing)]

Jack, although I see your point, and agree to some extent that there was not an "intent" to insult, I also go along with Don here in that when someone comes here to ask questions, they should feel confident that if they fully understand a post, they can be assured they are getting the truth "as we know it". We always leave open the possibility that we are wrong as you would agree, since you do that same thing. Now Changy is entitled to question a post in order to ensure that he fully understood the intent, but when he tells us that the "truth" lies somewere in between what we say, and what those who hate hypnosis say, he is indeed calling us liers no matter how you cut it, and I also am insulted by that comment.
What I understand from Don's post, is that our reliability as purveyors of truth about hypnosis is on the line, and if not settled now, and if Changy is allowed to continue along that line, we are indeed being accused as to not only not telling the truth, but a deliberate attempt to distort a known truth, and like Don, I too expect an apology, particullarly since I went to some length to ensure that no post of ours was misunderstood.
I am not angry with Changy, I pity his inability to settle for one truth or another, but I am a believer in tough love type actions, and this is one of them. I always feel, "if you can;t accept me as I am, it is time for us to part company", and thus avoids hard feelings, and in this case Don has the hammer, and Changy for once in his life MUST make a definitive decission, and Lord knows that will do no harm, but might just do some good.
If you or I question the statements of the other, it is done in a spirit of interest in the others viewpoint, and not in a confrontational manner, since we respect the right of the other to see from a different viewpoint without being accused of error, or worse yet lying.
I would respect Changy's right to do this also if he had some knowledge on which to base such a decission, but it is obvious that he doesn't. All he is doing is a balancing act between two oposing camps without the ablility to differenciate between fact and fiction. I don;t play that game....

[Jack]

If someone has an opinion - which is what we all we have - and believes that the 'truth' lies somewhere between the opinions he has heard then I find it difficult to see how that expressed opinion could be called an accusation of lying.

If I say 'the moon is made of green cheese' and you say 'the moon is made of rock' then Fred's opinion will be formed by the arguments he has heard with a big dollop of his own preconceptions and prejudices. If Fred then says, 'well, the truth for me lies somewhere between these two opinions - it's a sort of cheesy rock' then neither you nor I are being accused of lying. Fred has made up his own mind and it happens to be an opinion that is different to ours. Wrong of course, because I know for a fact that it is made of green cheese, and you know for a fact that it is made of rock.

If we believe that all opinions which differ from ours are an accusation of lying then we are acting irrationally.

In my own practice I have had clients tell me that hypnotherapy does not work..as they walk out of the door without the problem they came in with. Am I insulted? Of course not. I might feel that the client was being less than fair, but hey, life is too short to worry about an occasional oddball.

Just one more opinion.

Jack

[Amazingdom]

Disclaimer.
In the court cases both Andrew Vincent and Paul McKenna were found innocent of any form of negligence based around the dangers of hypnosis. Hypnosis was found not the cause of death for Sharron Tabarn , and also not the cause of Chris Gates schizophrenia.

[Don]

If someone has an opinion - which is what we all we have - and believes that the 'truth' lies somewhere between the opinions he has heard then I find it difficult to see how that expressed opinion could be called an accusation of lying.Jack

You're absolutely correct, Jack.

But it was not stated that we presented opinions.

Rather, it simply said that we put forward statements as truth and they were not true.

You keep saying that I claimed we were attacked as liars. This is a red herring. Nowhere did I post that. Rather, I said that either we were being accused of lying--and I simply denied that was being done--or we were wrong.

I assumed and believe he meant that the information we presented was wrong, so i asked for specifics so I wouldn't make the errors again.

I find it difficult to understand why you are against such specifics.

[Poodle]

I noticed that too. I wonder if Changy did. :)

[Terry (existing)]

Actually, the observation that we were being called "liers" came from me, and it is my perception of the statements made by Changy.
First he states that he knows nothing, then asks a question to which he got several replies. He also states that he is reading from another board that is anti hypnosis, which he readily admits. The conclusion he comes to based on these readings, is that we are either ignorant of the truth, or intentionally bending that truth. Now to me, the later is no less than an accusation of lying, since bending the truth is the same as lying in my lexicon.
Changy can believe anything he wishes, but he is not welcome to come back here after we have done our best to assist, and tell us we don;t know what we are talking about. Not only is he ignorant of hypnosis, but also ignorant of common courtesy.
When information is offered, I expect it to be respected, not suspected. That is just courtesy in my opinion.

[Poodle]

I believe that Changy wanted to try hypnosis but had very cold feet so to speak so to reinforce that limiting/negative belief Changy did everything possible to pose hypnosis as negative/dangerous. Now, will Changy go to a hypnotist, probably not IMO. Poor Changy, stuck with the same issue. Maybe Changy will go for talk therapy/drug therapy and perhaps in many, many years will be able to get rid of that issue or perhaps Changy really doesn't wish to remove the issue at all as it is serving him in some way that he deems as beneficial.

[skip]

Just the other day, I was accused of lying by a (supposedly) prominent NLP trainer, for quoting him, and expressing an opinion, about the quote.

I was called a liar, informed that I was delusional, and then a massive mis-mindread was done, to the extent that if I didnt like someone, I shouldnt let it color my opinions of what they do.

HUH?

Now you know there is a point here, dont you?

Nothing amuses me more than to have stated my honest opinion, and to then be told that my opinion is a lie.

How can that possibly be?

There are some people who have such an inferiority complex, or perhaps a persecution complex, that every thing is filtered to the degree that it is unrecognizable.

And then decisions are based on that.

How do these people survive?

cheers,

skip

[Poodle]

am I correct in guessing who the "prominent NLP trainer" is?

If you are delusional, I want to be too. If you are a liar for stating correct beliefs, I want to be one too.

I guess my opinion has colored my beliefs too.

How do they survive - a fool and his money are soon to part and "they" thrive on negative advertising .

[Don]

I don't want to have delusions.

I would like to have at least b-lusions, preferably a-lusions.

I just haven't figgered out what this all these allusions are, yet.

:)

[Jack]

OK Don, don't get your knickers in a twist:)

I did not read into the posts what you read into them. I cannot find anywhere that Changy accused anyone of lying, but I can see that he/she did not fully believe what was being said.

One of the last posts sent by Changy was:

I'm sorry if I have offended anyone in this thread but I have heard so many differening views on if it is safe or not that I do not know what to believe anymore.

Now to me that is not offensive and is a sort of olive branch. It was met with a threat of banning and libel actions by you. To me this is an over reaction, but the argument is not worth dying for.

And I am not against specifics (I should get offended at that:) ). I too would like to know what was meant, but since I did not read what you read (I might have missed it) then my offence meter did not register in the same way that yours did.

I wonder what would have been perceived if the argument was face to face? Would Changy have come across as someone who was setting out to cause trouble, or as someone who was confused with regards to the dangers of hypnosis? Difficult to tell.

Jack

[Don]

Jack, if Changy, you, or anyone else wants to disagree with me, that's fine!

If someone says, however, that I am being accurate and the truth is something other than what I'm saying, I'd like to know where I am wrong so I can correct it and apologize for my error.

If, however, someone simply says I'm not telling the truth and makes no specifics, then it is an ad hominem attack on my reputation and credibility and I think I deserve the right to defend my name, my character, and my truthfulness.

If someone claims you are not telling the truth in front of hundreds of people, wouldn't you want to know more? Or do you simply not care about your reputation and all of the clients you'll lose when it's attacked?

[Poodle]

You ARE telling the truth. Some just don't want to BELIEVE it. The question now becomes as Moderator do you have the power to see exactly who these people that post really are and where in the world exactly (as UK can be large) and if indeed you do, then maybe a threat of legal action would be in order IF ONLY TO GET AN APOLOGY from someone. If you can't do it, I bet I know who could and I would suspect he would be more than willing to come to your aid. What cha think boss? I also remember hearing: "If you have a problem, we have a team of lawyers to come to your defense." Maybe Pood should join you with this as it was stated that MY FACTS were also false when indeed they were 100% CORRECT.

I don't know if your reputation and good name have really been stained as you are only known to most of the world as "Don" a/k/a Donald Sissorhands. I do believe that to a good 90-95% of the posters, you are looked upon as an authority figure tho as well you should be in this position.

You also have the power to make it ALL DISAPPEAR! Just remember the old saying: You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink. Pood

[Changy]

Don I did not mention once you had lied, you have your beliefs (which is probably correct) and that diagram is pretty stupid, it's not you who I was directing that comment to, i was directing it to people who constantly say that hypnosis is 100% safe and that all stage hypnosis is a lie etc which is not true in my opinion. Don you will also notice that I said "I have found" which does not represent a fact, just my opinion, of course hypnotherapy is very safe when you go to a good hypnotherapist and some people will just volunteer for stage hypnosis. Once again Don I apologise if you thought I was calling you a liar in any way it was merely my opinion, thank you Jack for aggreeing with me.

Poodle I find it insulting that you're going to kick me off the site and use legal action just for stating my opinion in a forum open to ideas and to help others, what ever happened to free speech. I have apologised if I have offended your beliefs but if you want anything more than that then go ahead go ahead and kick me off the site because I don't see how I have done anything wrong my giving my views and opinions based on what I have read from others.

Thanks,
Changy.

[skip]

Changey,

Relax ... take a breath ... and let it out slowly ...

And as the breath goes out, realize no one is going to kick you off the site. No one is going to sue you, and the more you consider what isnt going to happen, the more relaxed you can become.

As you make that consideration there is another consideration you might make.

NLP concepts would say that the meaning of your (any) communication is actually the results it garners, and has nothing to do with the intent.

Now that is a harsh mistress, on the surface, and many people misunderstand it to mean they are to blame for everything that happens to them.

And that IS one way of percieving it.

But I dont believe the victims of the holocost or of rape really asked for it.

Rather it is a voluntarily acceptance of being in charge of your life and having an effect on the things in this world that surround you.

It is saying, "I have the power to affect, and as such I will voluntarily accept responsibility, whether or not I am in fact responsible, because by doing so, I become the prime mover in the situation.

That my friend is real power, on a fundamental level.

Now I dont know if I have explained it well.

Give it some time to marinate, and once grasped notice how this encounter, and others in the future will be different in a most interesting way.

cheers, and I look forward to more posts from you. It is always good to hear from people who are genuinely interested and willing to question what they are hearing and thinking about.

Hypnosis and NLP is good stuff. And they hold up under close scrutiny. If at times we seem short it is because we are. We have had most questions asked and answered more that a few times.

Sometimes we forget that a good mind, with an interest is a terrible thing to waste,

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A complete dissapointment looking for a serious mistake in a nightie. Please respond ...

[Poodle]

Please show me EXACTLY IN MY POSTS where I wrote "kick me off the site". I agreed with Don that legal action may be necessary as you impinge our reputations which could very possibly lead to a very large loss of income as we both teach the subject let alone the clients driven away by your drivel. Also Changy, what would be your beliefs if both Don and I did STAGE HYPNOSIS on the weekends for FUN? Would that automatically change us from "safe" hypnotists to "unsafe" hypnotists in your mind?

There is a very large difference between free speech and what you have written Changy. This Forum is international and as such has enormous impact on the world. It is the only website in the world that will tell you the exact truth and answers questions honestly from experienced and ethical practitioners of hypnosis, NLP, TLT, etc. How many people could possibly stay away from or develop a fear of hypnosis from the negativity of your posts. I could easily have made my comments to Don in an email or a PM but I wish to make them public so the world will know that hypnosis in the hands of a professional hypnotist IS SAFE!

And lastly, Don will be the one calling the shots here, not me although he is my colleague and friend and I will support him all the way. Pood :mad:

[Jack]

Yep, I fully understand where you are coming from Don, I would want to know where someone thought I was being inaccurate, in order to correct it or argue the point. And of course you are fully within your rights, nay duty bound to defend your reputation if aspersions have been cast upon it.

But I am a little confused about where this idea that you or Pood were being accused of lying came from. What were the words Changy used to say you were not telling the truth? I must have missed it.

Jack

[skip]

I expect you would.

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[Don]

But I am a little confused about where this idea that you or Pood were being accused of lying came from. What were the words Changy used to say you were not telling the truth? I must have missed it.

Jack


I can understand why you're confused, Jack. That's because I never said that. In fact, in my first reply to you I wrote, "Nor do I think he was claiming I was lying." In spite of that, you keep claiming that I'm doing so.

Why do you think you missed reading that?

[Don]

Changy, I made very clear and posted, "Nor do I think he [Changy] was claiming I was lying." Perhaps the fact that other people here falsely repeated that I claimed you accused me of this has confused you.

What I am saying is that you claimed I was not telling the truth. You clearly stated that truth was elsewhere.

Lying is when a person knowingly doesn't tell the truth. If I small child says 2+2=5 because they think that is correct, they are not lying, they are simply wrong.

Your statement implied that I was wrong. I did say that you might have implied that I was lying, but I did not think so.

That means, from your post, you think I was wrong. I asked for a specific post where I was wrong so I could correct my thinking.

Instead, you have apologized if I thought you did something (called me a liar) which I did accuse you of. That's nice, but that's also like apologizing to me for me thinking that you had said I had blue skin. It's meaningless.

I'm still waiting for you to give me a specific quote or URL where I made a statement that was not true. It's your making claims that I am spreading false information--not that you accused me of lying--that I object to. It is a direct attack on my accuracy, objectivity, and reputation.

Put another way, you made a claim that you think ("I have found") I have said something that was not accurate. Fine. What did I post that was not accurate and where did I post it?

I am patient with people, even if they are attempting to slam me. But my patience is not eternal.

[bruce bundock]

I'm sorry if I have offended anyone in this thread but I have heard so many differening views on if it is safe or not that I do not know what to believe anymore.

You might want to begin thinking about why you need to solicit so many opinions as if someone other than yourself has the final word. Hypnosis is a two edged sword that cuts both ways. We all know that words-carefully chosen with integrity- can initiate internal shifts. That can be a good thing, depending on the outcome that one wants. Recommendation:there is a wonderful book that may clear up some of your confusion, called "Monsters
and Magical Sticks." It is a gem. 2nd recommendation: go inside and do some work, NOW, then bring us back a report. All the best.

[Poodle]

it is a gem for sure but I'm not really sure I would want it to be the FIRST book read by an "untrained".

[Terry (existing)]

THE ACCUSATION THAT IS CAUSING THE STIR CAME FROM ME.... DON DID NOT MAKE IT, I CLAIM IT, IT IS MINE ALONE, AND I AM UNREPENTANT...
Why doesn't anyone bother to check the source? Why not also read all the post, and not just pick on a few words from it?
I said Changy was accusing us of lying, in that he admits to knowing NOTHING, yet based on reading the headlines of "underground hypnosis", he feels comfortable in accusing us of "bending the truth" tantamount in my lexicon to telling lies.. Some come here and lie it's true, but only because they misrepresent themselves as being skilled when they know nothing. I do not choose to allow anyone to put me among them.
Nobody wants an apology from Changy, he knows nothing, admits to knowing nothing, and therefor any apology has no value. What Don wants, and I agree, is to be shown from where such rude comments arise. I have intentionally mind read, and said they come from the headlines of "Underground hypnosis" and now I want to be proved right or wrong.
Turning the other cheek is a good thing at times, but if in doing so one allows an untruth to fester and grow, it falls short of a kindness.

[Poodle]

Underground is definitely a rat's nest but I really do not believe Changy has been there YET. There is some skepticism between stage and us even though any one of us could do stage any time we so desired. Changy has not answered Don or me. In all truthfulness and honesty, hypnosis in the hands of a skilled practitioner, is less dangerous than one aspirin. An aspirin could have side effects. Change can be viewed as difficult to certain people, especially those that are wishey-washey. Some people really like comfortable ruts. I repeat the words of one of my favorite instructors: The only thing dangerous about hypnosis is that it is not dangerous enough.

[Don]

In all truthfulness and honesty, hypnosis in the hands of a skilled practitioner, is less dangerous than one aspirin. An aspirin could have side effects.

According to reports published in peer-reviewed journals, "Each year, use of NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States." (NSAIDs include aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, diclofenac, ketoprofen, and tiaprofenic acid.)"

I would say that hypnosis is far less dangerous than aspirin.

[Jack]

I can understand why you're confused, Jack. That's because I never said that. In fact, in my first reply to you I wrote, "Nor do I think he was claiming I was lying." In spite of that, you keep claiming that I'm doing so.

Why do you think you missed reading that?

I read it, Don, but it didn't tally with reality.

If someone says, however, that I am being (in)accurate and the truth is something other than what I'm saying....

What I am saying is that you claimed I was not telling the truth.

Now, we can argue semantics until the cow come home, but I think you are splitting hairs. You became offended by someone else's opinion about the veracity of your opinion and asked for qualification of their opinion, which was not forthcoming. Since it was not, accept the victory graciously instead of pursuing it like a dog with a much chewed bone.

If you wish to remain offended then I am sure you will do so, if you wish to sue Changy for an alleged libellous outburst then you could attempt it, but it is unlikely that you will get an apology for what you perceive as a slight on your reputation and Changy does not, so I fail to see the point of this continued grumpiness.

This is a (supposedly) anonymous forum and you will occasionally get ill-informed, misleading or insulting opinion, But that is all it is, opinion.

I would suggest - in, I hope, a kindly manner - that you move on, and I know you are big enough to do that, but in any case I am done with this fruitless discussion.

Jack

[Don]

No, Jack. I'm not splitting hairs. The only assumption I can make is that you're trying to cover your misinterpretation by saying I'm playing semantics. I'm not. Or perhaps you're trying to cover for mistaking Terry's posts with mine. I don't know what your motivation is, but I do know what mine is.

Anyone can say something that is not accurate. When it is pointed out that what they stated was not the truth, they may either hold on to past prejudices and claim it is the truth or they may ask to be corrected. I'm doing the latter.

Someone who knowingly spreads something false is a liar.

I do not think Changy accused me of being a liar. His post, however, clearly stated that I was not telling the truth. I asked to be corrected. So far, even though he has posted here, he has refused to specifically identify anything I've said that isn't true.

I'm waiting for that correction or an apology to this slur against my reputation. If it is not forthcoming I will contact my legal representative.

Yes, there is a degree of anonymity here. But if contact with someone is really needed, it can always be obtained through various sources.

[Changy]

According to reports published in peer-reviewed journals, "Each year, use of NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States." (NSAIDs include aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, diclofenac, ketoprofen, and tiaprofenic acid.)"

I would say that hypnosis is far less dangerous than aspirin.

I do not mean dangerous as in life threatening, aspirns can kill but if hypnosis or nlp is done unprofessionally or by a terrible trainer is can cause more problems (e.g. if a person with depression went it and had poor therapy then it could cause suicidal feelings as well).

Also somebody else put on here that my opinion is different from free speech, how? i'm afraid you have contradicted yourself because I have an opinion and that is that hypnosis is not 100% safe but not life threatening as said on the website, that's all i've been trying to say all along, forget the ****ty diagram I drew that was just to demonstrate. Now in doing so I have received legal threats, abuse and god knows what. Now if it makes this a bit easier to deal with delete the diagram I drew as you think it suggests you are all wrong and just concentrate on this post, I will repeat again; my opinion is "hypnosis is not as dangerous as suggested on the website but not 100% safe either". Now if you still want to sue me go ahead but it would be slightly pathetic in my opinion.

This is a forum allowing people to discuss hypnotherapy, I have given my view. 50 - 100 years ago people would have lauged if you said smoking causes lung cancer, hell doctors use to tell people to smoke to relieve anxiety and stress but times have changed and now people realise that smoking is extremely dangerous. Now I am not suggesting that hypnotherapy is extremely dangerous but it is not 100% safe like people on this forum seem to think, think about it hypnotherapy and nlp deal with reprogramming the mind - if the therapist does not know what he is doing then the outcome could be damaging.

Changy.

[Terry (existing)]

This is a forum allowing people to discuss hypnotherapy, I have given my view. 50 - 100 years ago people would have lauged if you said smoking causes lung cancer, hell doctors use to tell people to smoke to relieve anxiety and stress but times have changed and now people realise that smoking is extremely dangerous. Now I am not suggesting that hypnotherapy is extremely dangerous but it is not 100% safe like people on this forum seem to think, think about it hypnotherapy and nlp deal with reprogramming the mind - if the therapist does not know what he is doing then the outcome could be damaging.

Changy. The statments you made previously applied, or so it would seem, to all who replied to your first post, and not to something you had read elsewere. The replies therefor were from those of us so reffered to. You stated that our replies were "slanted". Please explain how that does not state that we are lying? Don has asked you to point out were in fact we did indeed slant our comments, and you have failed to do so, indicating that you find this impossible? You offer the pathetic suggestion that what was intended was to suggest that hypnosis "improperly used" is dangerous. True, so are loose lips such as yours it would seem, since we feel insulted by your comments, and all you have done to date is state that what you said was based on something only now expressed, by you, and certainly allowed for by others in their consideration of your question.
Your statement, intended or not, impugned our honesty without basis, and was rude to those who had attempted to assist you. I for one find your wishy washy comments to be unacceptable, and will no longer correspond with you regardless of if you remain on this board or not.

"Would that you were hot or cold, but because you are lukewarm, I will vomit you out of my mouth"....Biblical comment that seems to apply.....

[Changy]

The statments you made previously applied, or so it would seem, to all who replied to your first post, and not to something you had read elsewere. The replies therefor were from those of us so reffered to. You stated that our replies were "slanted". Please explain how that does not state that we are lying? Don has asked you to point out were in fact we did indeed slant our comments, and you have failed to do so, indicating that you find this impossible? You offer the pathetic suggestion that what was intended was to suggest that hypnosis "improperly used" is dangerous. True, so are loose lips such as yours it would seem, since we feel insulted by your comments, and all you have done to date is state that what you said was based on something only now expressed, by you, and certainly allowed for by others in their consideration of your question.
Your statement, intended or not, impugned our honesty without basis, and was rude to those who had attempted to assist you. I for one find your wishy washy comments to be unacceptable, and will no longer correspond with you regardless of if you remain on this board or not.

"Would that you were hot or cold, but because you are lukewarm, I will vomit you out of my mouth"....Biblical comment that seems to apply.....

I don't mind if you don't wish to talk to me, I said I think what really happens in hypnosis lies somewhere between your views and those views (i.e. not being 100% safe but still not as unsafe as was made to be on that website), it would be a boring word if we all agreed with the same thing Terry. I never said anything about slanted and the bible comment is a bit insulting and irrelevant.

Changy :mad:

[Connie]

I agree with Poodle. (Many posts back!) If someone is labeling our Skip a liar and delusional, :eek: then those are obviously fine qualities which we all should emulate.

[Don]

I do not mean dangerous as in life threatening, aspirns can kill but if hypnosis or nlp is done unprofessionally or by a terrible trainer is can cause more problems (e.g. if a person with depression went it and had poor therapy then it could cause suicidal feelings as well).

Fair enough. I would contend that there are many people who are either poorly trained in hypnosis or think they know what they are doing when, in fact, they do not.

According to this article http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/21908/understanding_clinical_depression.html over 16 million Americans alone will suffer from depression. It follows, therefore, that some of them would be treated by hypnotherapy and some would get a bad hypnotherapist can commit suicide.

Please find just ONE case of suicide where hypnotherapy was one of the causes. Please give a URL to support your claim.


Also somebody else put on here that my opinion is different from free speech, how? i'm afraid you have contradicted yourself because I have an opinion and that is that hypnosis is not 100% safe but not life threatening as said on the website, that's all i've been trying to say all along, forget the ****ty diagram I drew that was just to demonstrate. Now in doing so I have received legal threats, abuse and god knows what.

I can't speak for others, and I don't see anyone here preventing you from saying what you will. But with freedom comes responsibility. That means your statements have meaning and impact. You have attacked the credibility, reputations, veracity, and knowledge of people here. As a result, this could lessen their earning potential. Legally, this is known as "restraint of trade."

Let's say you opened a business repairing cars and someone who know nothing about the subject started making posts claiming that you didn't know what you were talking about, and that the work you did might not be fatal, but could certainly be dangerous. Your business would drop off. You'd lose money. How would you get your lost income back? How much is your lost reputation and lost future income worth?

Now if it makes this a bit easier to deal with delete the diagram I drew as you think it suggests you are all wrong and just concentrate on this post, I will repeat again; my opinion is "hypnosis is not as dangerous as suggested on the website but not 100% safe either". Now if you still want to sue me go ahead but it would be slightly pathetic in my opinion.

Your diagram didn't way we were "wrong," it said we did not tell the truth. I may be wrong at times--I probably am. But that does not mean I am not telling the truth as I know it to be.

This is a forum allowing people to discuss hypnotherapy, I have given my view. 50 - 100 years ago people would have lauged if you said smoking causes lung cancer, hell doctors use to tell people to smoke to relieve anxiety and stress but times have changed and now people realise that smoking is extremely dangerous. Now I am not suggesting that hypnotherapy is extremely dangerous but it is not 100% safe like people on this forum seem to think, think about it hypnotherapy and nlp deal with reprogramming the mind - if the therapist does not know what he is doing then the outcome could be damaging.

Changy.

Fine. You've given your opinion. Now you're backtracking and ducking. I still am waiting for you to produce any information that I have posted here that shows I was not telling the truth. Now, to add to your claims, I'm also waiting for your to produce one instance of suicide (your claim) where hypnotherapy has been one of the causes.

I would also like a complete list of workshops you've taken on hypnosis/NLP along with those books you've studied on these subject (not merely scanned).

Frankly, my patience is now at an end.

With your next post to these forums, either prove your attacks on my reputation are accurate (by quoting exactly where I was not truthful, including the URL), and prove your new claim that hypnotherapy has been a cause of suicides, or withdraw your claims and apologize.

You have attacked several people here, and if you cannot or will not support your attacks, this thread will be deleted and you will need to go elsewhere to attack people without being responsibility for your words.

[Merlin]

Indeed!
being a liar is among my most effective tools.
When in hypnosis, the mind cannot judge well.
If I lie, it often is taken as truth.
Then the mind does what I said it must.
True or not.
Possible or not.
The mind does it because it no longer knows it's impossible.
I't doesn't know I lied.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c344/Myhrrhleine2/Wink.gif

[Poodle]

Most, about 97-98%, of my clients are on antidepressants plus. Just look through the PDR of those drugs -- HIGHLY increased insidence of suicide. They are not getting them from psychiatrists but from regular MD's. It is further my opinion where I live that regular MD's and psychiatrists do NOT even speak the same language nor do regular MD's realize the severe consequences of these drugs.

Just another of my pet peeves of life here in the sticks.

[Don]

The vast number of papers on various drugs makes it almost impossible for any doctor to really understand the functioning of all of the drugs the prescribe. Often they learn about drugs from the "advance man" (or woman) who gives them free samples, five minutes on how it should be prescribed and all its wonders, and hopes they will end up prescribing drugs. Many people actually get ill from the numerous drugs prescribed to them. It's known as polypharmacopia, or something like that.

[Poodle]

Last week in class was a young man from France. He had read that stupid site and even though he is going to take training in hypnosis he is still about 99% sure that the people died. It was DIFFICULT AT BEST to ease his fears so we went to the lobby and I did an induction and produced all the deep trance phenomena including extreme discomfort. Came out of trance and said: "That's it?". I said: YUP! That's it. Pood :)

[dark2y]

Hy, i am a beginner in hypnosis but i was totally shocked when i sow on CSI:New York an episode where a killer used hypnosis to commit a crime (actually he made the person commit suicide), i am sure that this can't be done.
It's part of the misconceptions about hypnosis that haunts people this days. My opinion is that hypnosis doesn't have the proper access make to a person kill herself or to cause mental damage. It's just not that deep.
As i read somewhere, it's just like talking with your best friend.. :)

Sorry if i was a bit off topic..

[Don]

Hi, dark, and welcome.

There's a new movie out, Spiderman 3, that has characters who have the powers of a spider and can turn into sand. In a few weeks there will be a new Pirates of the Caribbean film that has a character who is part man and part squid. On TV there are shows where people develop strange powers after being exposed to rocks from meteors in another people are born with amazing powers.

All of these have one thing in common: they are fiction. They are not real.

Some time ago there was a TV show called "Time Tunnel" where people from the current day involved themselves in famous historical events. That is, they used imagined versions of factual events.

Films, novels, TV, comic books, etc., for a long time, have used an imagined version of what hypnosis can do as "plot points" for their stories. They are all fictions.

This is a problem that hypnotherapists need to deal with when working with clients, but it has gone on for many years and will continue to do so.

[Poodle]

Yesterday a mother gave a 15 year old daughter an Ibuprofen. Severe allergic reaction and the ER almost lost her.

[gil-boyne]

Towards the end of 1994 the tabloids in Great Britain were full of the story of the death of Sharron Tabarn who died several hours after participating in a hypnotic show presented by a young hypnotist by the name of Andrew Vincent.
Sharron, a 24-year-old mother of two daughters had come forward when the call was made asking for volunteers.
Sharron was obviously one of the main stars of the show as Vincent took her through a Madonna routine and other post-hypnotic suggestions. As the show came to a close he told her, "I'm going to count from one to three and clap my hands. As I clap my hands you will feel as if 10,000 volts of electricity is shooting through your chair!"
The next morning Sharron was found dead in her bed.
Of course there was an inquest and pathologist Edmund Tapp said the cause of death was from fluid in the lungs and inhaled vomit.

CHRIS GATES
DIAGNOSED AS SCHIZOPHRENIC
Chris Gates was one such person who began behaving like a child days after having been hypnotized by hypnotist, Paul McKenna.
Chris Gates unsuccessfully tried to sue Paul McKenna for damages. and humiliating ordeal."
Psychiatrists testifying for both plaintiff and accused (expert witnesses) stated that there were no cases in psychiatric literature of a psychotic state being triggered by the use of hypnosis in any form..
Following the above-mentioned cases, in 1996 the Home Office published a ten-page report after an eleven-month investigation into the dangers of stage hypnotism.The report, clearly states the following. “The review of medical evidence and available research literature was carried out by a panel of experts who were nominated by the British Psychological Society and Royal College of Psychiatrists.”
The report declared that many other popular activities or pursuits "clearly carry far greater risks", and that stage hypnosis "posed no serious risk to the public and that all indications are that there is not a significant problem directly associated with stage hypnotism". The Health and Safety Executive also carried out their own study into the claims of alleged dangers. Their report states, "it should be made clear to all authorities that [the] HSE has no evidence to suggest that stage hypnotism poses a general risk to the public if it is carried out according to the Home Office guidelines".

In the court cases both Andrew Vincent and Paul McKenna were found innocent of any form of negligence based around the dangers of hypnosis.. Hypnosis was found not the cause of death for Sharron Tabarn , and also not the cause of Chris Gates schizophrenia. The British Parliament has conducted debates on the need for regulation of hypnosis on three separate occasions and each time has decided that there is no need to regulate the use of hypnosis as there is no evidence of a threat to public health and safety.

Gil Boyne Exec. Director,
American Council Hypnotist Examiners

[Simple Guy]

Hi Gil,

Welcome to the forum. For those that don't know Gil, he is an
extraordinary practitioner, teacher and author.

[Jack]

Absolutely so. In no instance of media based hysteria regarding hypnosis or hypnotherapy has there ever been an evidence based case to answer in the UK.

Jack

[Terry]

Hi Gil, good to see you onboard. This may well prove to be a good spot for you to let everyone know about the books you have for sale. We are always getting requests for books that people can't locate.
As for our poster, his name is well chosen, and no wonder since he knows so little it is easy to change. Those who do know KNOW that they know don;t they..:D ...

[Poodle]

It's a definite pleasure to have you sign on.

[Merlin]

There have been many cases of people dying shortly after eating carrots too.
Not all links are causal.

[Don]

There have been many cases of people dying shortly after eating carrots too.

Hmmm. I think Howard Carter ate some carrots with Lord Carnarvon after opening King Tut's tomb. They both died shortly thereafter. Perhaps the curse of King Tut's tomb was actually the curse of King Tut's carrots!

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Terry]

\I used to eat carrots raw. I did so until I married and found out that just looking at my wife got her pregnant. It wasn't hard to pin down the cause. Rabbits eat carrots, rabbits breed like, well, rabbits, so I stopped eating carrots. That ended the growing family we had begun. True, my wife had a hystorectomy at that point, but I am sure carrots had something to do with it...:eek:
NOW,enough of the nice guy stuff. Any bloody fool who suggests that HYPNOSIS is dangerous, needs to improve their education in the English language. Hypnosis is a a tool, it is not dangerous until someone attempts to use it. The use therefor, or misuse in some cases decides on what is dangerous and what is not. The skilled practitioner knows what and how to use this tool safely and no harm is likely. The idiot who attempts to go beyond their knowledge and skill in an unsafe manner, is the cause of problems, so say it as it is. Irisponsible people are dangerous, when using hypnosis, or when doing anything else, because they behave stupidly.
...Not an unkind statement, just fact...

[Jack]

There have been many cases of people dying shortly after eating carrots too.
Not all links are causal.

Unless you are allergic to carrots.;)

Jack

[Terry]

Well "dark" I imagine that this article is one of thousands you have read is it not? Somebody writes these, and hopes they will be read and enjoyed so that they can sell more papers or magazines.
Sadly, exciting things don't happen every minute, and certainly not when a reporter is present, so sometimes a story is slanted to make it more exciting, and sometimes reporters lie to make a good story better...
I know this firsthand, so feel comfortable stating it. I also know that bad news is more exciting than good news, so the slant is usually towards the bad.

[Poodle]

I really don't quite understand your language. You believe that hypnosis CAN be dangerous. In the hands of untrained idiots, could be. What do you mean here "it is acted as a 'trigger'"??? Trigger, for what. What's the trigger? How does one use a 'trigger' in hypnosis? Would your idea of a 'trigger' just be for all hypnosis, stage hypnosis? Is 'here" on this Forum?
Thanking you in advance for clarification, Pood

[Terry]

Jan, congratulations on reading a book, not all can or do read these days, now that we have television etc....
Just a word of advise for you. Cease visiting this board for your own sake. After all, you know nothing about us and some here are so skilled that we can hypnotise at a distance, and we might well be tempted to use you as a test dummy, since you know just enough misinformation to be a good target, and to little of the real truth to know you are being used. I notice that some of our members are posting words and phrases online intended for this purpose, and posting at regular intervals. Nuf said....:eek:

[Don]

I've just bought a copy of the book and am very open-minded about the claims. I believe hypnosis can be dangerous although what's being claimed here is that it acted as a trigger.

Which book?
What claims?
People are entitled to their beliefs, of course, but what if somebody believes the world is flat and insists that this be the only science about the shape of the Earth that is taught in school?

Do people have the right to demand that others believe as they do even if their beliefs are demonstrably wrong?

[gil-boyne]

Hi Gil, good to see you onboard. This may well prove to be a good spot for you to let everyone know about the books you have for sale. We are always getting requests for books that people can't locate ...
Hello Terry,...
I am also selling off most of my lifetime collection of rare and out-of-print books at modest prices. Send me your title requests for an immediate reply.
With Respect, Gil Boyne

[Kaizen]

I wouldn't be surprised if the website in the OP is ran by Scientologists...

[Poodle]

they said to look for the NLP. ROFL

Pood :D