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Tomo

07-20-2004, 09:05 AM

Yes Yes I know all that but like to attack a persons mind say if they are accros the dinner table. That's what I do.

I'm not a trained hypnotist, far from it, but I've always had the ability to, as you say, "attack" people's minds. When I was a small kid it was to avoid being bullied. The adrenaline would suddenly rush and I'd just start talking. As I grew up it developed to navigate me safely through a school life where violence was the norm. Now it is partly to defend against antisocial types when I'm out clubbing (it's a tough town), to have a laugh (talking to me can be very entertaining in a trippy way) and to help friends out when they need strength to carry on.

You're malicious and you've already lied to us. Unfortunately, you've also got my attention. I suggest you leave.

Terry

07-20-2004, 04:34 PM

Oh dear, you really are foolish aren't you. Not just foolish, but cowardly also, since you wish to mess with someone without their knowledge in order to ensure that there will be no repercussions......Won't work I assure you, they would instantly know, and react in a manner that would make you very unhappy...
Much better to go looking for a fight in a normal manner. That way you at least demonstrate that you are only a fool and not a coward. Terry

Tomo

07-20-2004, 06:00 PM

Terry

07-21-2004, 06:53 AM

I was replying to the original posters last one. Yours just got in between unfortunately, but a reread will correct that perception (G) Terry

Maria

11-18-2004, 01:48 AM

Although I am no expert on the subject I beleive you will find some research papers that have been written on this particular subject. My belief is that it is morally wrong to hypnotize someone without there knowledge. I also beleive this will boomerang back to you eventually-one way or the other. However, my question to you is why would you want to attempt such a feet-what are your true intentions? Is it worth your time and your effort?

Unregistered2

11-25-2005, 10:06 AM

Whatever you big lever

Poodle

11-25-2005, 07:44 PM

My personal view is one should ask every client, student if you have their permission to hypnotize them, even practicing on each other in school. If the answer is yes, then proceed. Otherwise, back off gracefully. We know why s/he came to our office to seek our service but we should still ask for permission. Opinionated as ever, Pood

spunkeeprincess0

11-26-2005, 07:27 PM

You're 37 and you can't spell practicing?

newbie

11-29-2005, 12:47 PM

Don

11-29-2005, 01:26 PM

(did he just call someone a "lever"?)

i must say i'm a little confused when people say "it's wrong to hypnotize someone without their knowledge." isn't this what nlp and hypnosis both do in any number of ways?

No.

droning college professors and boring high school teachers hypnotize students without their knowledge...are they "wrong" to do that?

You're assuming they know what they're doing. I would contend that they do not.

skilled salespeople...charismatic individuals...preachers...orators...the environment...the media...parents...spouses...kids...at some point, just about anyone can hypnotize anyone else without them knowing...it happens all the time, right?

In most cases they don't know what they're doing. How can anyone condemn someone for doing something if they're not aware that they're doing it?

any one of the skilled nlp practitioners/hypnotists on this site can use hypnotic language patterns and other "mind tricks" to more effectively communicate to the subconscious mind of the people they're dealing with. is this "wrong"?

Not when someone comes to them and asks for them to do exactly that!

don't misunderstand me...i certainly don't condone this person's desire to "attack" people...but perhaps some qualification is in order when people suggest that "it's wrong to hypnotize people without their knowledge"?

If I said, "John, please close the door, won't you?" I am using certain forms of NLP speech patterns. However, every day, tens of thousands, if not millions of people do this without knowing it. NLP and hypnotic patters are not merely trained, but are often intuitive or leaned by modeling someone who also may not be aware of the labels we put on them.

But the problem is, when you have learned certain patterns, you have much power. And to quote a spidery movie, "With great power comes great responsibility."

The real question is not whether you can do it or not, or whether it is "right" or "wrong," but rather, what are your personal ethics and your concepts of personal responsibility?

Are you (and I don't mean you specifically) a responsible, ethical person, or just a self-interested, cruel slug? That is why both hypnotherapists and NLP practitioners are trained to consider the "ecology" of any suggestion. Is it good for the person? Is it good for people who will be effected by it?

If you have no ethics, do whatever you want. But don't come back to us when you reap what you sow. As they say, "payback's a *****."

Terry (existing)

11-29-2005, 01:59 PM

Yes you are correct, but when idiots ask us to train them to misuse hypnosis, we have a choice, we can tell them what we think of them, which is what my prefference is, or we can obfuscate. I can hypnotise anyone without consent, without knowledge, but not against their will, as can any accomplished and properly trained practitioner. There is a difference, not always noted by those who read what I just said, and not always understood by practitioners who's English is not up to par. When it comes to "consent" however, though I can, I don't usually, though I have used hypnosis to persuade a meter maid to take back a parking ticket he had just put on my car (G). I am not persuaded that I should ask a client's permission, however. If they come to me, it is taken for granted that they want what I offer, and I may place them into a trance, work with them, and restore them to normal without them knowing I have done anything except talk to them. This of course takes both time and effort based on proper training, hence my lack of respect for the person who started this thread, apart from the obvious intent...

Merlin

11-29-2005, 06:27 PM

>i must say i'm a little confused when people say "it's wrong to hypnotize someone without their knowledge." isn't this what nlp and hypnosis both do in any number of ways?

No. We work *with conscious consent*

>skilled salespeople...charismatic individuals...preachers...orators...the environment...the media...parents...spouses...kids...at some point, just about anyone can hypnotize anyone else without them knowing...it happens all the time, right?

Wrong.
That's usually trance, but not hypnosis.

>any one of the skilled nlp practitioners/hypnotists on this site can use hypnotic language patterns and other "mind tricks" to more effectively communicate to the subconscious mind of the people they're dealing with. is this "wrong"?

It's unethical.
Though some of us potentially *could*, we generally don't.

>don't misunderstand me...i certainly don't condone this person's desire to "attack" people...but perhaps some qualification is in order when people suggest that "it's wrong to hypnotize people without their knowledge"?

It is wrong.

ChainLynk

12-02-2005, 02:35 PM

Yes you are correct, but when idiots ask us to train them to misuse hypnosis, we have a choice, we can tell them what we think of them, which is what my prefference is, or we can obfuscate.
Terry(Existing) whats with the name?I don't ever see anything ever coming from you but negative coments. Is that why your are here?
"*Scoff* of course I can do it, but I'm just going to blatently make fun of you for even being interested"
Why?

Craig Anthony CHARBONNEAU

12-03-2005, 12:56 PM

Terry(Existing) whats with the name?I don't ever see anything ever coming from you but negative coments. Is that why your are here?
"*Scoff* of course I can do it, but I'm just going to blatently make fun of you for even being interested"
Why?

I THINK THAT ALL WOULD AGREE THAT TERRY IS THE MOST TRUTHFULL OF ALL!!!!! I ADMIRE HIM, AND READ EVERY ONE OF HIS POSTS AND THREADS. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR APOLOGY TO HIM AND HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY.

Terry (existing)

12-03-2005, 09:08 PM

Thank you for the vote of confidence Craig, but to be honest, I must say I believe ALL of our regulars are eually honest, and though we differ at times, we are here to help those who are willing to help themselves when they are pointed in the right direction. I have no problem with those who misread, or disagree with me, I just put them on my ignore list. If they truly feel I am just picking on them, that is no loss, but if they are being rude because of jealousy, and an unwillingness to do the work to be skilled, too bad the loss is theirs. I worked for what I have and value, and if my comments appear to be boasting, look to the source, and you will find it comes from the lazy and unwilling, who will never achieve because it is too difficult, and an apology from them has no value.

Unregistered1

12-04-2005, 05:17 PM

All Terry's post looks like discouring and Negative.

Merlin

12-04-2005, 07:57 PM

Naw...
Terry writes good posts.
You may not get the meaning at first.
But that's not Terry's fault.

Merlin

12-05-2005, 02:04 PM

Well Sh%&

I try so hard to be the most obnoxious and Terry still wins out <sigh>.

Terry (existing)

12-05-2005, 09:52 PM

Well Sh%&

I try so hard to be the most obnoxious and Terry still wins out <sigh>. Don't let is get you down girl, remember, I have had years and years more than you to practise in. When you get to my age, you will be just as good I promise (EG)..... Hell, you may even be better.....

Terry (existing)

12-05-2005, 09:57 PM

All Terry's post looks like discouring and Negative. I know you are trying hard to convince us that you can read, but the more you try, the worse it gets (G)..... However, I am in a good mood today, so I will give you a little tip, no charge of course. If you choose to remain annonymous, nobody will give any credence to your posts, any more that we would give credence to an annoymous letter we get in snail mail.....

ANJIE

04-04-2006, 06:01 AM

Ok Hey.....i Have Juz Recently Got Into Likein The Fact About People Being Hypnotized And I Am Dyin To Know How It Works, I Just Dont Under Stand How You Can Make Someone Shut Off There Brain And Make Them Do Something Weird/crazy/funny..or Even For Real Reason ............... So Whoever Is Out There Please Help Me I Really Wana Understand How To Hypnotize Someone And How Long It Takes To Learn It

teadaze

04-04-2006, 06:27 AM

You are more likely to get a good response if you ask a specific question AFTER you have read about it and need to clarify something. There are many people on this board you can learn a lot from and most will be very willing to help you grow. Enthusiasm is a good thing (just ask Poodle) but you need to think about what you really want to know. People are not going to write pages of 'how to hypnotise someone to make them do weird things'.

Writing Like This All The Time Is Pretty Pointless As Well. You want to be taken seriously don't you? Cool, get some reading done. For a good idea of some methods and ideas in hypnosis, get the book 'hypnosis: a comprehensive guide' by Tad James.

Terry (existing)

04-04-2006, 07:53 AM

Change of pace, I am feeling in a good mood today, it is wonderful and sunny outside, the birds are singing their thanks for the food we provided, and the pond is melting. Now normally, I would reply to such a post as I have just read, by hammering the poster into the ground like a tent peg. The reason for that should be clear, we all pay taxes to get these children properly equiped to communicate with others, and all they can do is limit their conversation to those who are willing to study the new language of slang. Why I ask, should I be bothered to waste my time on them? Well, today I will do so, and in a serious manner. To begin with poster, in order to progress along life's road in any direction except down, you have need to communicate with those who are themselves better educated than you, and for this you were taught the skills you would need. You it seems have failed to learn so far, and are now limited in progress for the rest of your life. Sorry for the sad news, but I didn't put you were you are, you did. All the wonders of the world are at the disposal of those willing and able to read, and otherwise communicate with others who know what it is they wish to know. The rest are doomed to stay put in the lowest positions, working hard just to earn a living in most cases. When I plant a garden of flowers, I prepare the gound with care, enriching it to ensure good growth. When I plant valuable information, I take care to plant it in the fertile soil of a trained mind, capable of absorbing the information, and using it in such a manner as will add value to what I taught. You I'm afraid don't qualify.

unicito

04-04-2006, 11:13 AM

Read about Milton Erickson Works and then Richard Bandler, Karmin Baffa!

TICHER

04-06-2006, 07:51 PM

Hello. I have been practiceing hypnosis for a very long time. Now how do hypnotize someone without them relizeing it? And please explain it to me in THROUGH detail that a 13 year old child could understand(by the way I'm not 13 im 37*I wish I was 13 though*).

It is very rude to hypnotize someone without their permission. Not only should you have permission, you should have it in writing. What you are describing is not proper hypnosis it is an attempt for you to control another person and that is wrong. Please be aware that you are damaging your Kharma. All GOOD hypnotists know it is easy to hypnotize someone without permission--but all GOOD ETHICAL hypnotists know that it is wrong to do so.

Harmony

04-06-2006, 10:20 PM

Why would you want to do this?
This is wrong! That is a Violation against a persons private rights. It is a Violation to the code of ethics any good qualified Hypnotherapist lives by.
A person who truely wishes to help his fellow man would never intrude into or attempt to control another person in that way. Not even your own children.

Harmony

04-06-2006, 10:29 PM

Are you aware that those minds you are attacking are already armed?
They have the ability on a subconscious level to know what you are doing. People are not defenseless you know. We all have the ability to read and be aware and send messages in a telepathic way. We do at a soul level all the time.
Give it up! You cannot control and over power another persons mind. If you were an educated Hypnotherapist, trained in the right way, you would KNOW this.
Besides, it is a violation to get into someones privates without permission! Even into the mind!

Poodle

04-07-2006, 05:32 PM

The name is CARMINE Baffa. Besides, Carmine believes in unconscious installation of knowledge and is probably one of the GREATS at it. :confused:

ralaco

04-16-2006, 05:41 PM

I’m all new to hypnosis and to this forum, but with experience in EFT.

I had being reading this post, and I had a question?

My mother is a very nervous person and she will be afraid to let her be hypnotized, she suffers a lot because her anxiety, nervousness and panic attack.

She had always refuse to let me help her with EFT

In this case is not ethical to hypnotize her, without her permission, even if the intension will be to make her more happy and fearless?

Raul

Simon

04-17-2006, 02:57 AM

You could try some very basic anchoring.

Don

04-17-2006, 08:20 AM

Hi, Raul.

There is one or more reasons--I don't know what it or they is/are--that your mother refuses to accept techniques that would help her.

Perhaps she is happy the way she is.
Perhaps she is receiving some benefit, such as attention from you, that she's afraid she might lose if she changes.
Perhaps she's convinced that change is evil.

Now, let's just look at one possibility. If you were happy the way you were, and someone thought you were suffering and needed to change, do you think it would be ethical to force you to no longer be happy? My guess you would think it was not.

Likewise, the answer to your question is that from your description, "No, it would not be ethical."

So are you stuck with doing nothing? I don't think so. When you see her "suffering" due to what you interpret at anxiety, nervousness, or panic attacks, simply do the best to comfort her and afterward question her about it.

How does it feel?
Where in your body does it feel like that?
How does it feel now?

Focus on her, her feelings, emotions, sensations, etc. IF and when she comments that she wishes she could change, you could mention that there are easy ways to do that.

However, psychologists don't professionally analyze their parents, surgeons don't operate on their parents, etc. Answer her questions about the techniques but for actual work, direct her to a trained, experienced professional.

ralaco

04-18-2006, 12:53 PM

Perhaps she is happy the way she is.
Perhaps she is receiving some benefit, such as attention from you, that she's afraid she might lose if she changes.
Perhaps she's convinced that change is evil.

No she is not happy, she just doesn’t believe in alternative therapies.
She just does what her doctor and an old Psychologist friend said, none of them trust Hypnotherapy or EFT, but non of them had make any progress they just give her a lot tranquilizers.

So are you stuck with doing nothing? I don't think so. When you see her "suffering" due to what you interpret at anxiety, nervousness, or panic attacks, simply do the best to comfort her and afterward question her about it.

When she is in any of her mental crisis, she just cries and asks to be alone, so no way to question her about it.

However, psychologists don't professionally analyze their parents, surgeons don't operate on their parents, etc. Answer her questions about the techniques but for actual work, direct her to a trained, experienced professional.

Even I had help some friends and coworkers with Fears, Phobias and Panic attack using EFT as well as clear a lot of Psychical problems myself, I just want to persuade her to try another less orthodox way to treat her mental problems, and of curse with a more qualify therapist, but I was thinking to induce some kind of hypnotic trance to opens her mind.

Poodle

04-18-2006, 04:03 PM

I thought I had the "Title" here. I'm not exactly too sure who people seem to dislike more - Terry or me but sometimes the truth hurts! I LOVE Terry and to tell the truth I am somewhat jealous of his talents! WOW! What imagination and what a practice. If people really knew how wonderfully great you are, they would be standing around like puppy dogs with their little tongues hanging out panting -- me too -- me too -- me too! They also don't know that Terry is one of the first to be there for you if you need a friend! Hopefully, one day I will be able to travel north and meet this mental giant in person. Until that day Terry, keep the posts coming!! I don't give a darn if they call me "Your Poodle". I think it's pretty great to be associated with YOU!

Poodle

04-18-2006, 04:13 PM

First rule one learns in Hypnosis 101 is don't practice on friends and family and don't "fix" any family medical problems. We are not medical doctors, we do not diagnose.

I don't care how many times a client has come to see me and we both know why the person is here I always say: Do I have your permission to hypnotize you now? Other than giving them assurances there's no hankey pankey they are told by that statement that they are going to be hypnotized by me thus making my job easier still. It's not magic to hypnotize someone, but what is said in trance is the magic! That's where knowledge, trainings and skill come into play.

Don

04-18-2006, 08:26 PM

Hi, Ralco.

How do you know she is unhappy? Has she told you this? How do you know, even if she says she is unhappy that there is not a part of her that is happy with the current situation.

Her doctor and "old psychologist friend" are authority figures she respects. Are you an expert and an authority on hypnosis and EFT in her eyes? If not, she will always go back to the authorities. And again, experts do not work on their relatives.

You wrote that, "When she is in any of her mental crisis, she just cries and asks to be alone, so no way to question her about it." That's why I suggested you talk to her after the episode is over. Have you been trained in discussing such matters with clients? If not, you're going to have difficulty at any time with her.

You wrote that you helped some "friends and coworkers." So? Every person is an individual, and helping one or one thousand doesn't mean that the same techniques will work on the next person.

However, from your posts, it seems to me that the problem is that in her eyes you are not an authority. You probably never will be one to her. If you get some training you might learn how to broach the subject when she is not in crisis and some day get her more open to alternatives, but it doesn't sound like you're there yet.

Sorry.

Terry (existing)

04-18-2006, 11:42 PM

Raul, I am sure your intentions are good, and that you love your mother, but your perception of what is and is not, is coloured by your concern, and your lack of understanding I think... Don has told you that working with a relative is frowned upon, and for good reason, particullarly when it comes to working with the mind. It is also difficult because that relative knows you well, and has little reason in most cases to believe you can help them, particullarly when it is your mother. What you are in need of is the developing of raport with her, and that would mean showing a loving concern for her welfare without pushing anything on her she has no reason to believe in.... When she cries, refuse to leave her, saying she needs a loving arm around her shoulders, and DO it. When she is calmer, as will happen, place a hand on her forehead and tell her to relax and let it pass. No more, no pushing, be concerned about her, and not how you know best, because fact is you don't. Your post shows lack of knowledge and skill, and eventually, if she chooses to try something new, ensure she is treated by a skilled person, not you. Surely she deserved the best? When my youngest son was in crisis, all I did was hug him, he didn't need dad showing how good a hypnotist he is, he needed a father who showed loving concern for his condition. Now that he is calmer, he may or may not ask for my skilled help, but unless he asks, it will not be offered. I am too smart for that, and certainly too good a father. I trust you will prove to be a good son who understands his limitations.

Poodle

04-19-2006, 11:10 AM

To induce someone is not that hard - you can learn in a day with a good teacher. What comes after the induction is the "meat and potatoes" as it were. We can basically say there are two parts to your mind - the conscious mind that you use all the time - linear, logical analytical thinking. Then there is the subconscious or inner mind which is more emotional and symbolic in nature. We by-passing the critical factor (your conscious mind) to get to your inner mind to plant beneficial and useful suggestions. The inner mind has the right at any time to pop out of trance, reject the suggestions if they are not correctly worded, etc. Now, go find a book and read it. Read Merlin's post above - you pass through a state of trance every 90-120 minutes of your waking day. You pass through hypnosis on the way to sleep and upon awakening in the morning. There is highway hypnosis - train hypnosis enjoying a good book hypnosis, movie hypnosis, etc. Have you ever driven from Point A to Point B without remembering it and going: "OMG, I HOPE I STOPPED AT THE STOP SIGNS AND STOP LIGHTS????" Don't worry! You did. Your conscious mind was occupied but your subconscious was keeping you safe and getting you to where you were going. So, if you ask: Can I be hypnotized. The answer is: You already are.

This sounds extra ordinarily interesting doesn't it? Get some good books. You will find many recommended in the back pages of the Forum. Learn what you can and then go take appropriate TRAINING with a live instructor with lots of hands on practice. I get many PM's saying: Thanks for the recommendation for the school. It was more than I could ever have dreamed. But, to be good at it, it has to be your PASSION! Many fuzzy numb nuts put up a sign and the next year they are gone! Reason - lack of good training, lack of business sense, lack of understanding people -- just a total lack of.....

You would probably call the Forum Moderators experts. I would. They still have the PASSION AND CONTINUE READING and finding more and more ways to do more and more things with hypnosis.

Five

04-20-2006, 01:27 PM

How about this?

Practical Uses of Eye Movement ".. the easiest, cheapest antidepressant and anti-anxiety drug around!" by Jan Prince

It is an article with a link on the opening page of:

http://www.nlpco.com/

thackaray

04-20-2006, 03:17 PM

Another version of hypnotising people without them noticing it.... is changing their state by changing your state.

If their sad and your happy. You start of being sad like them, slowly changing your state to happy. They will follow if you are in rapport and you pace and lead.

Simple.

Merlin

04-21-2006, 10:43 AM

A person's choice should always be #1.

Friend of the People

04-21-2006, 08:56 PM

And to the moderator: I assume this post will be deleted or edited for unnecessary personal comments or whatever, but know that, unlike someone I could mention, I'm trying to act in the best interest of the readers and participators of this forum.

Dear so called friend,

I removed the personal invective from your post. You will notice there wasnt much left. I left what I did because you make a statement in it that IMO is erroneous, and I would like to address it.

I do not believe you when you say you are acting in the best interests of the forum. Nor do I believe you when you say that the preponderance of replies to questions are insults.

Some psychologist did a study on internet lists. More specifically the roles that various individuals choose for themselves, and play out, on the various lists. There are the 'authorities', policemen, advisors, etc. One thing that the research found was that invarably every successful list has two roles, that of a crumudgeon, and that of bit -ch-ers.

Terry (whom you seem to be upset with) has chosen for himself the role of crumudgen.

Interesting the role you seem to have chosen, for yourself. As opposed to noticing all the positive, informative, helpful replies on this forum.

cheers,

skip

teadaze

04-22-2006, 04:44 AM

'Friend' of the People,
If the forum 'SUCKS', why are you still here?

Many people have commented in a very positive way about Terry's posts. He is not trying to please anyone else and is very truthful. He has his opinions and he sticks to them and I think he is a very important member of this forum.

I think a lot of people who come here want to learn the secrets of hypnosis or NLP just by asking enough questions. Truth is, if you've posted the same answer ten times in a fortnight, you don't want to keep on doing that everyone time someone asks the same question.

You say...'the meaning of a communication is the response it gets'. You have written a post to attack someone and to punch holes in the forum (ironic that you are using the forum to actually do this but hey). Think carefully now... and answer this question: Do you really think that YOUR post is going to elicit a positive response?

Do you think that somehow your post will ruffle some feathers and everyone will stop and say:

"Hey wait a second! Friend of the People is right!! Our forum (which we visit nearly every day) really DOES SUCK! Well 'Friend' is clearly acting in the best interest of the readers and participators of the forum and he/she is our voice."

OR
do you think that it might annoy people that you've just whinged about a valued poster, attacked the forum (used by everyone who reads your post) in the most negative way without offering your proposals to make it better, and been so arrogant as to name yourself 'friend of the people'.

Think carefully...

Friend of the People

04-24-2006, 07:40 PM

I removed the personal INVECTIVE from your post. You will notice there wasnt much left. I left what I did because you make a statement in it that IMO is erroneous, and I would like to address it.

Thank you; you've taught me a new vocabulary word.
:)

Poodle

04-24-2006, 08:42 PM

There is an underground network in the USA that believe in hypnosis without consent and many other nonethical matters. They do not accept many new members. Maybe it's your lucky day! I will tell you one thing for sure, if you tried it on me, you would live to regret it. You need to understand, we are capable of having great fun with the mind if that's what we have a notion to do. This thread is taking me back to a sentence in Structure of Magick, Vol I.

AnthonyM83

04-24-2006, 10:44 PM

First rule one learns in Hypnosis 101 is don't practice on friends and family and don't "fix" any family medical problems. We are not medical doctors, we do not diagnose. . I understand not trying to fix medical problems...but why should we not practice on friends and family? I didn't learn this in my Hypnosis101.

Friends and family were vital to me in developing my fluency with different techniques and increasing my overall skill level.

Sky writing

04-24-2006, 11:26 PM

I understand not trying to fix medical problems...but why should we not practice on friends and family? I didn't learn this in my Hypnosis101. Friends and family were vital to me in developing my fluency with different techniques and increasing my overall skill level.

Practice on anybody you want. There is little danger in getting people to do what they already want to do. Hypnotic states are as common as 50 seconds of every minute. The DEPTH of the state can be altered, but we are always in a hypnotic state of some kind. And everyone should have some basic knowledge of trances because we rarely get through a TV commercial without being sucked into one anyway. Practice away. Just be aware that people actually DO want to jump off buildings....so be mindful of what you do.

thackaray

04-25-2006, 02:51 PM

Main reason that we recommend you don't try anything more than inductions or basic scripts on family and friends when learning is just that they are you're friends and family and what will the relationship be like if something goes wrong or it they feel violated afterwards (even after giving consent).

If you're wanting to do therapy work on family and friends, then only do so at your own behest, even if you're qualified.

skip

04-26-2006, 07:54 AM

There is another reason in addition to Thakery's.

When you work on people you know, as opposed to people you dont, it is extremely difficult to keep your own personal agenda, for them, separate from what you are doing.

You own hopes and fears about what is best for them are often mixed up and sometimes in conflict with what they want.

With someone you dont know, you can be more objective, dispassionate. With friends and family it is very difficult, if not impossible. The risk of real unethical behavior is very high, if you work on friends and family. And Im not talking about 'taking advantage' in the typical sense, but doing something "for their own good" that you really have no right to involve yourself in.

Ill give you an example. I had a client who among other things said she was contemplating being a stripper. She had dropped out of high school, and had no job skills, and had had a succession of menial jobs, that she couldnt keep, because she was too smart for them, and became bored and resentful.

Stripping, in her mind, offered her an opportunity to make more money, and possibly turn her life around.

Now I'll not tell you what she came to me for, nor what work I did, nor what advice I offered.

I will ask you to imagne that same scenerio, for yourself, and it is a stranger, and then again if it is your best friends daughter. Whoud your response change, and if so, in what way?

cheers,

skip

Terry (existing)

04-26-2006, 10:27 AM

Best reason of all. You care about your friends and want the best life possible for them don't you? Imagine getting them into the vunerable state of trance, and being unskilled, giving them a suggestion in such a way as to do harm? Once a suggestion is given, and accepted, it is not easy to remove it, and for you impossible. Do you really want to live with that on your concience for the rest of your life?

Merlin

04-28-2006, 12:06 PM

I like the Klingon proverb that
revenge is a dish best served cold!

Never try hypnosis without consent around me.

mytonyturtle

05-08-2006, 10:25 AM

Don

05-08-2006, 12:49 PM

Go up to them and say "sleep" at the appropriate moment. For the rest, I'll be glad to train you at $450.00 per hour.

MR behavior

05-08-2006, 05:37 PM

Hello. I haven't been practiceing hypnosis for a very long time. Now how do hypnotize someone without them relizeing it? And please explain it to me in THROUGH detail that a 13 year old child could understand(by the way I'm not 13 im 30). this is for a woman.

There is a therapy build in the Ericksonian theories, check'em all. then you will find something o go with DON. I have read that he do has the knowledge.

Poodle

05-08-2006, 06:47 PM

You can read all of Erickson's work. I have it. It will not teach you how to put a person in trance. It will give you a great understanding of just how amazing that Dr. was.

Erickson did not hypnotize anyone against their will. People KNEW if they were going to see the great Doctor exactly what was going to happen. Just not how rapidly it would happen though sometimes.

MR behavior

05-08-2006, 08:04 PM

You can hypnotise someone against they will, I will pay to see something like that. i havent hear or read of someone that can do that ( against the will of some one ) please tell me whom is that , person i will apresiate that. from the Ericksonian point of view, it may not tell you exactly but they are the roots.

MR behavior

05-08-2006, 08:13 PM

Im talking nonsense. I apologise, you are right in your comentary. The hypnosis is complex. and hwo to do it. so will reserve my coments in that subject.

HypnoMan

05-08-2006, 09:20 PM

Attacking someone's mind just isn't cool.

Redgold

05-14-2006, 12:15 PM

I have been reading through this thread over the last few days, and I have a question that has been bothering me about this whole thread. Everyone has been saying hypnotizing someone without them knowing it is wrong, but I have found that ever since I started studying hypnosis, it just happens.

Just by knowing how the unconscious mind works and knowing how to recognize conscious vs unconscious reactions, how does a trained hypnotherapist avoid it?

As has been stated previously in this thread people drop into trance watching commercials...they go into trance in classes...when dealing with salesmen...driving home from work...reading the news paper...etc. Where is the difference between a good communicator and hypnotizing someone.

In my experience, any time you achieve good rapport with someone, you establish several of the key factors that create a hypnotic state. You have selective focus...you have generally caused at least some relaxation...and you have placed that person in a state where they are more receptive to anything you happen to say. They may not be in a deep trance, but they are still by some definitions hypnotized.

So my question is, how do you have meaningful rapport with a person without hypnotizing them? I find all too often, I am talking to someone...just general conversation and poof, they are in trance. No intent on my part to establish an altered state...just natural conversation. Where is the line drawn between being a persuasive, effective communicator and an unethical covert hypnotist?

Merlin

05-14-2006, 01:13 PM

As has been stated previously in this thread people drop into trance watching commercials...they go into trance in classes...when dealing with salesmen...driving home from work...reading the news paper...etc. Where is the difference between a good communicator and hypnotizing someone.
There is a difference between trance and hypnosis.

brian514

11-06-2006, 02:34 PM

so how do you go about hypnotizing someone...i guess thats the question..zzzzzzzzzzzzz :confused:

brian514

11-06-2006, 02:36 PM

i'm picturing the person holding the watch in front of my face saying " you are getting sleepy...deeper...deeper....sleepy....deeper

Don

11-06-2006, 03:05 PM

Hi, Brian.

Yeah, that's the way it was done 150 years ago.

Today, we simply help a person into a state of mind where the conscious mind's critical factor is bypassed.

Now, I could tell you how to pull a wheelie on a bicycle or go grinding down a rail on a skateboard, but that doesn't mean you'd be able to do it. You have to either watch someone do it and then practice, or even better, having someone teach you how to do it.

The same is true with hypnosis. The best was to learn how to hypnotize someone is to take a class. If you want to read a book on how to hypnotize someone, visit your local library--however you may not have much more luck than you would reading about doing an ollie.

Connie

11-06-2006, 04:15 PM

If the watch is nice and shiny, it should work. :)

skip

11-07-2006, 06:44 AM

I have looked at this thread as a moderator many times. That is because I read every new post.

And just today after many times reading the thread topic, it occurrs to me ...

You cannot hypnotize anyone without them knowing it.

Because that presupposes taking someone from an awake, aware state, and moving them to another state. THEY HAVE TO KNOW.

Unless they are already in a less than awake, aware, state, say some other trance form.

Or unless they simply fail to notice because the shifts are so subtle, or so abrupt, they have no opportunity.

So it can't be done. Right?

cheers,

skip

Jimr1

11-07-2006, 09:20 AM

It is very rude to hypnotize someone without their permission. Not only should you have permission, you should have it in writing. What you are describing is not proper hypnosis it is an attempt for you to control another person and that is wrong. Please be aware that you are damaging your Kharma. All GOOD hypnotists know it is easy to hypnotize someone without permission--but all GOOD ETHICAL hypnotists know that it is wrong to do so.

depends on what your definition of hypnosis and karma is.... and whether you recognize the distinctions between performing trance inductions(Dave Elman or Ericksonian or other) 1 on 1 with a client face to face in your office(private practice) vs those indiviuduals in a social context who would use hypnotic language patterns as part of their "charm" to seduce someone into bed. whether that someone is a man or a woman

now there are a few readers in this forum who are so "anal" as to say that you should get someone's permission before you seduce them(kind of defeats the purpose of the seduction)

Personnally(even though I'm not a hypnotist by trade) I think its absurd to get permission in writing(for private practice) becuase its IMPLIED the moment you walk in the door. but I also know that certain hypnotists will want something in writing in case something..... "backfires" - allegedly to legall protect the hypnotist

and of course there a few hypnotists in this forum who will get outraged when analogies between hypnosis and seduction are raised.

people do get influenced everyday yet to claim that's bad kharma is a bit much

Jim

Don

11-07-2006, 10:15 AM

Jim, which readers "say that you should get someone's permission before you seduce them?"

tdiamond

11-07-2006, 02:25 PM

Hello. I have been practiceing hypnosis for a very long time. Now how do hypnotize someone without them relizeing it? And please explain it to me in THROUGH detail that a 13 year old child could understand(by the way I'm not 13 im 37*I wish I was 13 though*).

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