Fear of Dogs

[john]

Has anyone got a Fear of Dogs scripts , if so would you post it here please ...

Thanks You very much

John

[Don]

Hi, John.

I hope some people will offer some scripts, although a few people may ask some more questions (what type of dogs, when does this happen, what was the cause, are you sure, what are the indications of this fear?) before responding.

The simplest instruction, of course, would be to regress to cause and remove the emotional charge of the cause. Time Line Therapy could help in this, too.

I know that there are various people who are wishing they had a script to get rid of a fear or deal with some other problem. So rather than focus on your particular request, I would like to generalize this for people who are asking for scripts:


1) If you are the person with this problem and are looking for a script to use along with some self-hypnosis that you read in a book in a book or two, I'm sorry to tell you that hypnosis is a definite skill and not quite that easy. Simply making a recording of yourself or focusing on the script while you are in a state of self-hypnosis may not be as effective as you would like. I would respectfully suggest that you find a certified hypnotherapist in your area. He or she will be able to help you quickly and inexpensively.

2) If you are a hypnotherapist, I have to wonder why you were not trained in eliminating fears. If you're going to be dependent upon a script such as this, what will you do if you discover that the client is getting a secondary benefit from his or her fear of dogs and you have no script for that secondary benefit? What if the discovery of the cause or secondary benefit results in an abreaction--will you know how to handle it? I hope so.

However, you did ask for a particular script. Anyone here got one? Anyone here care to create one?

[skip]

Sometimes there is reason to be afraid of dogs.

Barking dogs never bite.

You can never tell, in advance, when they will stop barking.

skip

[Terry]

Whenever I see a request for a script on a particullar problem, I am rightly or wrongly of the opinion, that the person requesting such is not capable of using it, and furthermore, is indicating that those who practise, and charge high prices, are a bunch of crooks......
If hypnosis is so easy that anyone after reading a book or two, can use it successfully by copying a script, then indeed such of you as are now in practise are just deceiving the public for profit, very high profit at $100.00 per hour and up.........Now a surgeon for instance, can indeed charge these high prices, since he or she never discloses how they do their operations except to others who pay a very high price to learn....I do note however, that Don, and Skip are learning the tricks of the surgeon, and not falling into the trap of offering such scripts.....I in turn will follow suit, by ignoring the slur on our characters, and the poster also.....Terry

[skip]

Terry,

I suspect you are right, probably 95% of the people requesting scripts, do not have the requisite skill to use them. If they had the skill, they would have already adopted something they know.

That said, there is also something to be learned from seeing how someone else approaches a problem.

You can get a new idea, novel turns of prhase, "There is delight at the end of the tunnel." is one I have shamelessly stolen from Bandler, etc.

There is a lot to be learned from 'seeing' how someone else does it. Ill never forget how Erickson took a woman in a waking state, who was afraid of water, and had her watching someone, a young woman, in a pool, swimming, and having a good time, and getting out of the pool, and only when the 'young woman' was out of the pool, did the woman realize, the 'young woman' was her. He had dissassociated her from the experience, and she was able to watch herself, enjoying being in the water, and he has placed all this in her past, so it was something she had, already in her experience, right now.

OH how that man would use time.

Now it isnt likely I would have learned that, or thought of that, without having been able to read the transcripts (scripts) of that session.

So I agree with you that most likely, most of those asking for scripts are not in a position to take advantage of one if it is offered, but others can take advantage of all kinds of things.

So friend John, have you looked in the scripts section here, to see if perhaps an anxiety or fear, of heights script might be adapted? Or did you pick up on something from what I said earlier in this post?

skip

Just remember there is unreasonable fear of dogs, and there is reasonable fear. A healthy respect of dogs would be in order. And respect is generated in two ways, fear, and/or admiration. How would you want to be sure your client retains a "healthy respect"?

skip

[john]

To those who replied with some different points of view that are interesting thank you. To those of you that more or less offered there learned opinion negatively, you are making this discussion board a non inviting place for hypnotherapists. I have tried everything. Pin Point analysis, parts therapy, swish technique, analysis - free association, PNI everything. There are secondary gains without a doubt. She keeps taking about something coming around the corner. She can never see what it is. I believe she is taking about her life and not knowing what it is that is around the corner for her. I could be wrong of course. She also talks about something black in front of her covering her. She is afraid of black dogs and German Shepards. It really sounds like abuse but this is my opinion and I could be wrong. I believe it is a transfered fear. But she needs to figure all this out and this secondary gain is stopping progress. With the dog she manages situations to avoid them, but she is really managing herself and where and what she does. Also growing up it may have made her special in her eyes to have such a fear. So now that those people that just decided to shoot from the hip have a clearer picture any worthwhile advice. Thank you very much to those that decided to offer some real advice.

Regards
John

[Calvin Iwema]

Hi John,

Is the fear of dogs why she came to you? If she doesn't encounter many dogs, then so what...people in New York with snake phobias don't live encumbered lives, since they never see them anyway.

"Something coming around the corner, can't see what it is" be careful about attaching "your" meaning to this (about life), your own hallucination could get in the way. She is using a metaphor to desribe something to you. You could, ask her why she is standing so close to the corner and what would it be like to move farther on down the road. The fear of being blindsided could have been imprinted in many ways....people, accidents, whatever and doesn't mean that it was necessarily sinister. Remember that before te age of 7 the mind isn't developed enough to be able to use logic, so any meanings assigned to these events could be very poorly informed and agreed to and upheld without conscious memory.

"something black in front of her, covering her" ...."she needs to figure all of this out"......MAYBE. She does not have to do this consciously, especially if the secondary gain is protection.

Behind every highly emotional response is an underlying belief. I would start asking her what the feeling tells her about her belliefs about herself, her identity and value. (not that overtly, and I would use her V-A-K preferred system, and then overlap from there) Most likely the information is in a system that she is un-conscious of, and from my experience, you will have difficulty trying to pry that out into her conscious awareness. She forgot for a good reason.

My approach would be liek Milton's, where he believed that every problem was a metaphor, and the possible solutions could be presented in a metaphor. She has stated that she is vulnerable about something around the corner, that is more powerful than her, and about something black in front of her. Just from that, she is stating that she can't go back and she can't go forward. Maybe she can go over, or around. Timeline work could be appropriate here as well.

You mention her being special growing up because of the fear. Be careful that this is her definition and not yours. It is possible, and happens often, that a client is proud of their problem on a surface level, or have idetified with it in some way. I would ask her if it's going to be the old way or some new way, and simply ask her if the old way is working. I tell my clients that I will not argue with them or fight them, that they have the right to keep their old problems and pain and limitition, and that if that's the case, then they can be on their way.

I keep thinking that it's not the event itself that is important, but the meaning and subsequent beliefs from it. One direction is that I would get her into trance, and assure that part of her that it has been protecting her all these years, and that I understand how hard it has had to work. Then ask it that it would be interested in fulfilling its purpose in an even better, stonger and more powerful way, and then connect that to new beliefs and behaviors.

Another option is to do timeline, which I follow Dilts approach as outlined in "beliefs" and "changing belief systems with NLP". THey are extremely informative in terms of conceptualization and technique.

Hope this helps. I'm just shooting from the hip without having met either of you.

[Merlin]

>I have tried everything. Pin Point analysis, parts therapy, swish technique, analysis - free association, PNI everything. There are secondary gains without a doubt.

If that's true you don't need a script.

[Unregistered]

Merlin why do you bother if you have nothing useful to add. Calvin Iwema , thank you very much for your input. Some very interesting thoughts. It is great to get another opinion. A different view point. Your response is what makes a discussion board valuable and attracts people back, thank you very much.
Yes she came to me with the Fear of Dogs. Pin point showed up feelings of inadequacy in her life. Feelings of never being a princess. She also spent a lot of time in hospital at age 11 or 12 and this too was a time when she took to her room and escaped from life by day dreaming. She stoped playing with her friends and regularily was in hospital with a problem with her ears. What the notes I have taken she did not fit in.

Regards
John

[Charlie]

You can get a new idea, novel turns of phrase, "There is delight at the end of the tunnel." is one I have shamelessly stolen from Bandler, etc.


a possibly poetic part of me suggests that plagiarism presents perennial possibilities.......

:)

[Terry]

[QUOTE=john]To those who replied with some different points of view that are interesting thank you. To those of you that more or less offered there learned opinion negatively, you are making this discussion board a non inviting place for hypnotherapists. I have tried everything. Pin Point analysis, parts therapy, swish technique, analysis - free association, PNI everything. There are secondary gains without a doubt. She keeps taking about something coming around the corner. She can never see what it is. I believe she is taking about her life and not knowing what it is that is around the corner for her. I could be wrong of course. She also talks about something black in front of her covering her. She is afraid of black dogs and German Shepards. It really sounds like abuse but this is my opinion and I could be wrong. I believe it is a transfered fear. But she needs to figure all this out and this secondary gain is stopping progress. With the dog she manages situations to avoid them, but she is really managing herself and where and what she does. Also growing up it may have made her special in her eyes to have such a fear. So now that those people that just decided to shoot from the hip have a clearer picture any worthwhile advice. Thank you very much to those that decided to offer some real advice.

John, you are nothing to us except words on a screen, and even though it is always a problem to get a question across without misunderstanding, non the less, your first post was a dilly, in that you ask for a script on "fear of dogs," and proceed then to tell us that the problem has nothing to do with dogs, so why the request for a script? Remember, all we know is what you write, and when you read what that was, I believe you will realise that you came across in such a manner as to confuse us totally. The first post is that of an imature person practising hypnosis without any skills. The second then says, " thanks very much for the sarcasm, but no acceptance of blame....If you fail to give us a fighting chance to offer any valid advice, don't asign blame untill you have studied how you presented. Terry

[Unregistered]

Terry yes I agree , there was no insight into the problem other than what I wrote initially. So I accept that. However she still has a fear of dogs. I gave a brief intro of her history and what has come up. She still has a fear of dogs. I a looking for some other avenues I may not have explored. I only received one or two replies that were worthwhile , all the rest were people like you deciding on being preachers. Are you that good ?? If you are that good do you have any real advice ?

John

[Unregistered]

Terry ignore that, you are right my first post was very uninformative. I understand what you are saying totally. Now that you have read the posts do you have any input on how I should proceed. I had another session with her last night, I went back once again to the well formed outcomes just to push it back to her a little bit. Then I continued with pin point based on the feeling she has when she is confronted by large dogs. She went back to events with the same feelings. I really feel as if I am getting no where with this client. So any advice would be great.

Thank Terry and everyone else.

John

[Terry]

Terry ignore that, you are right my first post was very uninformative. I understand what you are saying totally. Now that you have read the posts do you have any input on how I should proceed. I had another session with her last night, I went back once again to the well formed outcomes just to push it back to her a little bit. Then I continued with pin point based on the feeling she has when she is confronted by large dogs. She went back to events with the same feelings. I really feel as if I am getting no where with this client. So any advice would be great.

Thank Terry and everyone else.

JohnOK, remember, we are not present, and have little knowledge of the client, but even if we were, we might find the need to try something that didn't work in hopes that it would. Might I suggest trying the usual aproach to a phobia? Seems like a simple thing, but it could work. Try getting her to visualise if she can do this, and see a small puppy shivering in the cold, and abandoned outside her house... Now what woman, or decent man for that matter could refuse to pick up such a small bundle and cuddle it warm? No threat in a puppy is there? After that, you would proceed to enhance the size of the puppy etc, until there is no fear of that dog, and by the same token, no fear of any dog, since puppy is now able to protect her...(G) Yes it sounds too simplistic not to have tried before, but you don't say what you have tried, so I am getting down to the simple way first, and this is standard proceedure with phobias. Can't remember the word for that proceedure, but then I forget many things these days (EG) Terry