View Full Version : Is it Possible for someone not to be Hypnotised ?
Unregistered
07-05-2004, 06:11 PM
Hi, this is my first post on here.
I've tried many different things before to try and fix a problem I have, but haven't gotten Any results at all.
I have something wrong with the muscles in my right foot Ankle and leg, for some reason the muscles don't want to work right. It gives me a lot of pain, mainly because I am not walking on my foot right. And by doing this , it causes problems everywhere. I also have problems sleeping, but I have had this for so long now, I have worked out , this only happens because of my foot pain and discomfort all the time.
I have tried just about everything possible, had 4 Operations on it, and even after them, it hasn't gotten any worse, or better, it just goes back to the same it was after Physiotherapy.
I have recently tried Hypnotherapy by a proper Hypnotist. I have tried many times, maybe around 10 - 15 or so sessions. And I don't seem to be getting any results at all.
I have tried Affirmations, and tried many things that seem strange to me, also read 1 self Hypnotist book and half way through a 2nd now, but just can't seem to be hyptotised.
Because even my Hypnotist, says something should have happend by now, some kind of improvement by the things she is saying, but I can hear everything she says. And I can remember everything she says while being Hypnotised.
I am wondering what I am doing wrong, if it's me or what else it can be.
I'm not sure if there are any experts on here(I'm hoping there is) but I have nothing to lose by posting on here. If someone can help it's good, if not I am no worse off then I was before this, thanks.
Unregistered
07-05-2004, 07:11 PM
The subconscious mind, yes, hears and records all spoken words in your presence. And it is allowing you, consciously, to remember.
Can you say what the medical diagnosis was, resulting in your operations ?
Some hypnotists help people eliminate pain, in 3-4 sessions. Sometimes more sessions may be needed for stubborn pains before they go, and stay away.
Have you asked your Hypnotist about changing to another method ?
Agawan
Merlin
07-05-2004, 07:38 PM
Hello,
From your description, I'm sure hypnosis can help.
But it may be your hypnotist lacks skill in this particular area. You may need to seek the help of another, more specialised hypnotist.
>I can remember everything she says while being Hypnotised.
That's not uncommon.
>I am wondering what I am doing wrong,
Maybe nothing.
> if it's me or what else it can be.
It can be about fifty-eleven things. We can't really know from here without mindreading, we can only guess.
Unregistered
07-05-2004, 08:54 PM
Hi, thanks for your replies, I really appreciate them. Btw, are you's professional Hypnotists ?
Ok, here goes trying to explain it better, I just hope I don't put you's to sleep reading this.
Well I have had a problem walking on my right leg since I was about 12 or 13 years old. I am now 29. But when i was young I didn't realise I had a problem, because I was always playing sports and still growing. And I jsut thought the pain I was getting sometimes was because I might have played too much Sports, and it was just from tiredness.
Anyway, the Operations I have had were on my Peroneal Tendon on the outside of my ankle. It used to flick off my bone alot and click making a pretty loud noise, and when it did this, it caused a fair bit of pain. And all but one Operation was to try and repair this tendon, and I thought buy doing this , this would get rid of my problems, but nothing has changed at all. The other Operation was just to go in and look around and clean up some scar tissue.
It doesn't click anymore, but I still get the same pain and feeling and not being able to put my foot down right, and it's a very uncomfortable feeling, all my muscles feel out of place.
I've tried Physiotherapy for about 3 years all together on and off trying to strengthen the muscles, with no results at all. Chiropractors, Podiatrists, Neuropaths, Accupuncture, Chinese Medicine, anything to do with reducing pain I have tried. But it doesn't help unless I can walk properly on my foot, because by not walking properly, this is causing my Pain. And also tried so many Ankle specialists it's not funny.
And I have had tests on my back, all normal, and even tests on my foot are showing normal, which is very frustrating, because something is causeing me to walk funny, and they can't give me a answer.
So that's why I thought I'd give Hypnosis a try. I thought maybe if I could get Hypnotised just once, it could help me remember a time when I was walking right or to remember if something happened to me when I was smaller.
But I am in Australia if it helps, and don't really know any good Hyptnotists at all. The lady that is treating me now, seems like she knows alot, and is really trying to help me. Always sends me new stuff to try and I know she just isn't in it for the money, because she very rarely charges much at all, and sometimes doesn't even charge me. And has gone out of her way, and seems SO CONFIDENT that this will work. That's what has made me stick to it for this long.
And plus I have a feeling inside of me that if I can just get properly hypnotised once, that something will show me what is and has been causing this problem all this time. Well I am hoping anyway.
Sorry to bore you with all this, I didn't mean to write all of this, because normally I don't like to talk about this specially in an open place like the internet, but I have nothing to lose now.
And if I have finally learned, keeping it to yourself, doesn't help to get you better. The more people that read this, maybe the more chance of someone coming along and reading this that can help, thanks for your time.
Terry
07-06-2004, 06:21 AM
Many on this board are professional as you ask, but of course you have no guarrantee of who will reply to you, or how reliable their information might be.
I have been retired for fifteen years, but still retain my interest in hypnosis through membership in a professional body, and through contact with others on this board, such as Merlin who has already replied to you. As she said, there is little we can contribute because we are at a distance, but I can tell you that it is possible, and indeed likely, that the pain you feel my be the residue of pain that once existed due to cause, and is now sosomatic, ie, not due to physical cause, but retained for some reason unknown to us or you. It may also be that you have retained old habits of walking improperly due to the physical problem you suffered in the past, and this is putting a strain on an area which should not have such strain if you walked with a proper gait.....
This being so, there is little we can suggest other than consulting professionals in the proper areas of expertise. A chiropractor might be indicated, proper training in walking may be nescessary, we have no idea, but I can tell you that it is likely that you are indeed being hypnotised, but that the suggestions given are not helping......This fact does suggest to me that your gait may require adjusting, and for this a chiropractor would be helpfull, and you say you already have access the physiotherapy, so I suggest you return to that. Terry
Unregistered
07-06-2004, 08:24 AM
Thanks Terry, but I have tried a Chiropracter before. I tried one for about 4 months straight and that was 2-3 times a week. And I didn't notice any difference at all.
Not even a little bit of improvement, that's the thing the more I try and improve it the worse it gets. And there is no reason to explain this. I get so frustrated myself, because I used to be a very Sports oriented person. I loved to play sports, now I don't even like to walk because of the discomfort , pain and my confidence is really down.
I know it would be hard to help on here, and I don't expect you's to fix me, I guess I'm just hoping on something else to try.
Maybe if someone knows a really easy way for a problem person to get Hypnotised , that might help me.
Or maybe does anyone know the best hypnotist in Australia, preferably in QLD. Because I think I need someone very skilled to help me because I think I am a problem subject who lacks the skill. But I can tell you, I am one of the most determined people that doesn't ever give up.
If anyone can help, maybe jsut reply on here, or even to my E-mail because I would really appreciate any help or info at all that I can try or someone else I can go to.
rusty74@bigpond.net.au
Or maybe does anyone know the best hypnotist in Australia, preferably in QLD. Because I think I need someone very skilled to help me because I think I am a problem subject who lacks the skill. But I can tell you, I am one of the most determined people that doesn't ever give up.
rusty74@bigpond.net.au
Hi, Rusty.
When I read this, in all honesty, I wanted to laugh.
Not at you, but in sadness. I don't think you even realized what you said, and it may be the key to the whole thing.
You said that you are determined and don't ever give up. I fully believe you. You also said that you are a "problem subject who lacks the skill." I believe that, too.
So what you are saying is that you have made up your mind that you are a problem subject, you are determined to be a problem subject, and you will never give up being a problem subject who lacks that skill."
As I said, I don't think you are aware of what you are saying. As long as you are a determined person who will neve give up your beliefs that that you are a problem subject who lacks the skill to be hypnotized, chances are very high that, true to your motivations you will continue to be a problem subject and "lack the skill" to be hypnotized.
On the other hand, if you are willing to simply relax, let go, forget about your previous self-programming, and follow a hypnotherapists instructions, there is no reason that you cannot have a good session and lots of success.
Hypnosis is not something that you have to do to achieve. Rather, you simply allow it to happen. If you're willing to do this with a hypnotherapist, there's no reason you cannot achieve your conscious deisres.
Unregistered
07-07-2004, 05:52 AM
Thanks Don for your reply and advice. I re read what I did write and I didn't mean it to come out like that.
What I meant was this :
Because I have tried this so many times (with a hypnotist, trying to be hypnotised) and tried so many exercises that she has given me. Also done alot on my own (by reading hypnosis books) that I am starting to think, maybe I am a problem subject. Because my Hypnotist has yet to come across someone that she hasn't been able to hypnotise yet.
And she has stated many times, that she thinks I have been under before, and that this time I should notice some changes, but I never do.
And what I meant by being a determined person, is by not letting this injury beat me, by doing everything in my power to try and beat this problem. Because it is nearly unbearable at times, and it is SO Frustrating.
Merlin
07-07-2004, 08:54 AM
No such thing as a 'problem subject'.
Only a hypnotist who lacks certain skills.
>And she has stated many times, that she thinks I have been under before, and that this time I should notice some changes, but I never do.
To state otherwise would be defeatism for her and you.
>And what I meant by being a determined person, is by not letting this injury beat me, by doing everything in my power to try and beat this problem. Because it is nearly unbearable at times, and it is SO Frustrating.
Good for you.
Keep it up!
Terry
07-07-2004, 10:58 AM
I am curious to know how you know that you have not been hypnotised on several occassions? If this is because you don't have the same feelings you had when you were convinced that you were indeed in a state of trance, then understand that it isn't always the same feeling, or that you enter the same depth of trance on every occassion.
Unregistered
07-08-2004, 01:57 AM
Well I don't know if I have been Hypnotized for sure then. But I thought if I would have, I would feel different, and by the things she has told my unconcious mind, she even said I should notice some changes.
I guess I was expecting something to happen. Shouldn't I notice some changes, anything at all ?
But everytime she does try and put me under, I can hear her asking my unconscious mind to do things, and nothing ever seems to happen. I feel like I want to move my hand when she asks, but it just doesn't move. Or what ever she is asking me to do.
I guess all's I can try to do , is next time she tries and hypnotize me, just relax as much as I can, and not think about anything at all. And not push myself and try and be hypnotized, just let it happen.
I guess I sound pretty silly to alot of you's, talking about such a thing, when I know there are probably far worse people off then me, that can't walk at all, or are Blind, and have life threatening diseases.
And to tell you's the truth, before I felt like this, I always wondered why everyone wasn't happy like me. But it takes something like this to understand what's it's like, and it makes you really feel for alot of other people that are really sick or have something wrong with them.
I just wish everyone had an equal chance in life. I think it would be good to see everyone happy :)
I think the bottom line, here, is that there is not good rapport between you and this hypnotist. It doesn't matter the reason, it simply is that way. It's possible, then, that you might have greater success with a different hypnotist.
Unregistered
07-08-2004, 09:18 PM
So do you think from what I have explained, that a Hypnotist can definitely help me overcoming my problem ?
Or do you think there is another method I might be able to try ?
There are many methods that I think would work. However, from my experience and training, I think that a good hypnotherapist will be able to help you change your attitudes and behaviors so that you will be able to achieve your goals as quickly or more so than other systems.
Unregistered
07-09-2004, 03:57 AM
Ok thanks Don. I have a feeling Hypnosis will work, but I just don't know who to try. There are so many different ones in the Phone book. Does anyone know any really top Hypnotists in Brisbane, Australia by any chance ?
Ok thanks Don. I have a feeling Hypnosis will work, but I just don't know who to try. There are so many different ones in the Phone book. Does anyone know any really top Hypnotists in Brisbane, Australia by any chance ? Why not call a few and ask for references from happy clients. After all, it's YOUR money, isn't it?
Unregistered
07-09-2004, 07:21 AM
I just find it's better to get a unbiased opinion. Like if someone said something on here that wasn't true, I'm sure someone else would step in and say.
If I ring up, I have absolutely no idea on how and if they would get proper references or just make some up just to get more business.
As I have said , I have only tried really 1 Hypnotist before. And because I which seems to be a pretty complicated problem, I don't want to go jumping from Hypnotist to Hypnotist, which takes alot of time to explain and for them to understand it.
Well maybe is there a site on the Internet that maybe shows some Australian Hypnotists, like a association or something ?
I just find it's better to get a unbiased opinion. Like if someone said something on here that wasn't true, I'm sure someone else would step in and say.
<sharp intake of breath> That's a very dangerous thing to say around a bunch of hypnotists! :D
There does appear to be such an association, but when I went to their web site, it seemed to be just one person. If it is a true organization, I apologize, but the web site makes it look like an ad for one person.
You can go to the web sites of the National Guild of Hypnotists or American Board of Hypnotherapy. Although they sound like they are associated only with the U.S., they have members all over the world.
However, the best and fastest way is to ask such questions as:
1) How long have you been in practice?
2) What training do you have?
3) What professional organizations do you belong to?
4) Here is my situation (*briefly* describe how you want to change)...have you dealt with this before?
5) How much do you charge?
6) Can you give me the names and phone numbers of people you have helped and who will share their experience with me?
7) What should I expect during a session?
Good luck, and let us know what happens.
Hello
well if its not medical, and you are sure of that 4 ops later, then just maybe you do need to relax a little, not easy for sure well not that easy when you have this kind of thing going on,pain...
i am not to sure if you would agree, but if it was me and i have been there
I would do and have done the following.
maybe you should try working out, no matter what type of work out,do it
do something that you really like doing no matter what it is, anything but drinking.. mind you in moderation if you like that kind of thing,,
salt water, i mean the sea, walk along a sure line if possible, and be positive it will go away, for sure, you will get better in time, it all takes time, but if you have to,focus not on the site itself but on your whole body,, i cannot explain to you in so many words..
but if you take up a attitude of poor me, type thing it will always be poor me..
it worked for me. but then will power plays a big part, but it will get better
its like someone said to me get on with your life,, in my case i needed top get one,,cheers..
Terry (existing)
05-29-2006, 10:26 AM
One of the moderators told you certain facts that applied to your own words, and naturally you replied that "that is not what I meant". Facts are, that it matters little what your intention was, you spoke your mind as the saying goes, and the subconcious has no ability to think. For example, if I ask you, "do you know the time?" you would look at your watch, and then reply to me as both of us expect, you would tell me the time. However, if I hypnotise you, and speak to your Subconcious mind, and ask the same question, you would take the question literally, you would repy, without looking at your watch, with a "yes" or "no" answer, because if you note what I asked, it was if YOU knew the time, and I didn't ask you to tell me the time. You are your own worst enemy as well as your own best friend, and your attitude decides the direction you will travel. We are not able to change this for you, and only you can do it in truth.....
Poodle
05-29-2006, 02:38 PM
You sound an awful lot like I used to be. I tried hypnosis over and over and over. NOTHING! I thought something was wrong with me as little did I realize it was my hypnotist's lack of skill (one induction - the good old progressive relaxation induction). Finally one day at training, I asked a senior class member if I were indeed capable of being hypnotized. We did a simple little exercise. The answer was and is YES but only in the hands of a very skilled hypnotist. The teacher of the class had no problem keeping me in trance for hours on end. If you go into trance, you are going to know it. The more you try to make it happen, the less it will happen. Just relax and allow. Ask your hypnotist to change inductions or to give you a "convincer" that you were in trance.
How long did you try acupuncture? You do realize that acupuncture is a very slow but effective process.
I know that Dr. Tad James goes between the USA and Australia. You could check his website and see if he is going to be near your area. I know for sure he's going to be "down under" in August. We do have a forum member in Australia, TaffyE. I'm sure he could give you some good ideas. PM him.
You will get well!
teadaze
05-30-2006, 01:54 AM
"You do realize that acupuncture is a very slow but effective process."
Or can be very rapid
Indeed, both Poodle and Teadaze are correct concerning acupuncture. For some situations is can take time to achieve its effects, but when done in different ways, the results can be quite rapid.
One of my good friends, Dr. Michael Turk, is experimenting with ancient techniques that have not been used in the U.S. or among most of the popular acupuncturists. His techniques involve the use of longer needles and reaching deeper points than most acupuncturists use. His results have been astounding, and acupuncturists from all over the world are studying with him (his offices are in Chico, California).
Poodle
06-02-2006, 11:01 AM
Why does everything have to be in California? I remember one time my acupuncturist put a needle inside my ear - whew what a trip -- better than any drugs we had in the 60's or 70's. I think I was the only one of his clients that had that reaction. LOL!! Pood
Terry (existing)
06-02-2006, 05:34 PM
You could try www.asch.com.au (http://www.asch.com.au) but I know nothing about them, but it is supposed to be an Association, and not one practitioner.
Poodle
06-02-2006, 05:54 PM
That was one fantastic reply! In awe. Pood
Unregistered,
How about a slightly, (radically) different series of thoughts that you might enjoy.
It is not possible to avoid trance. Completely impossible in fact.
You are in some form of trance all the time. And the trance state you are in changes, when you watch tv, or drive, or step into an elevator, or listen to an authority figure, etc. All of these represent different trance states that you can notice as being 'different'.
When you go to a hypnotist you arent seeking to go into trance, you are already in one. (We call it a symptomatic trance) What you are seeking is to go into a different trance state, one we call a theraputic trance state. A theraputic trance state has noting to do with relaxation, or hand levitation, or sleep, or amnesia, or anything popularly associated with hypnosis. A theraputic trance state is one where you are able to access points of view, resources, and choices, you dont have access to, in your symptomatic trance state. It is there where you can suspend your judgement about whether or not you can accomplish something, long enough to examine just how you could go about actually doing it.
A very famous hypnotist once said, "Trance potentiates."
And that just about says it all. In the theraputic trance state, you can percieve your own potential, without the artificial limitations imposed by the symptomatic trance state.
So were you in trance? Absolutely, no way you couldnt have been.
Were you in a theraputic trance? You can answer that for yourself, where I cannot.
Did you percieve some potential, a new perspective on your problem that you hadnt noticed before?
cheers and I hope that clarifies some,
skip
Jimr1
06-03-2006, 08:38 PM
Unregistered,
How about a slightly, (radically) different series of thoughts that you might enjoy.
It is not possible to avoid trance. Completely impossible in fact.
You are in some form of trance all the time. And the trance state you are in changes, when you watch tv, or drive, or step into an elevator, or listen to an authority figure, etc. All of these represent different trance states that you can notice as being 'different'.
When you go to a hypnotist you arent seeking to go into trance, you are already in one. (We call it a symptomatic trance) What you are seeking is to go into a different trance state, one we call a theraputic trance state. A theraputic trance state has noting to do with relaxation, or hand levitation, or sleep, or amnesia, or anything popularly associated with hypnosis. A theraputic trance state is one where you are able to access points of view, resources, and choices, you dont have access to, in your symptomatic trance state. It is there where you can suspend your judgement about whether or not you can accomplish something, long enough to examine just how you could go about actually doing it.
A very famous hypnotist once said, "Trance potentiates."
And that just about says it all. In the theraputic trance state, you can percieve your own potential, without the artificial limitations imposed by the symptomatic trance state.
So were you in trance? Absolutely, no way you couldnt have been.
Were you in a theraputic trance? You can answer that for yourself, where I cannot.
Did you percieve some potential, a new perspective on your problem that you hadnt noticed before?
cheers and I hope that clarifies some,
skip
Skip,
re: "It is not possible to avoid trance. Completely impossible in fact....... You are in some form of trance all the time"
I've always thought that was "BS". of course your statement implies that trance(to you) = enthusiasm, curiousity, despair, exhiliration, impatience, or other states/moods one might be in at one moment as well as mixed states. I'm also guessing you think transderivational search = trance.
but then there are people that say that there is really no such thing as hypnosis. and there are those who say that **all** communcation is hypnotic. who does one "believe"? Stephen Heller? or Dave Elman? or John Grinder? Dave Dobson?
the epistemology of hypnosis is an interesting query...........
Jim
Merlin
06-04-2006, 09:26 AM
I do remote accupunture.
It's quick and effective.
Poodle
06-04-2006, 12:46 PM
I believe Skip is referring to NLP which as you know produces a trancy effect on it's own without a "formal induction" by a hypnotist. In fact, some parts of NLP are sooo trancy they out do a hypnotic trance. Pood
Poodle
06-04-2006, 12:48 PM
not with needles but with words - YES! You are one of the greatest! Pood
Merlin
06-04-2006, 01:14 PM
Oh, I use needles.
It's derived from Voodoo.
I figured if the needles could harm, why not help?
So, I started experimenting :)
nUnregistered
06-04-2006, 04:15 PM
I believe Skip is referring to NLP which as you know produces a trancy effect on it's own without a "formal induction" by a hypnotist. In fact, some parts of NLP are sooo trancy they out do a hypnotic trance. Pood
Pood,
I don't know that to necessarily to be true all(NLP producing any kind of so called "trancey effect") nor would I mindread Skip to mean that.
Jim
Poodle
06-11-2006, 11:27 AM
Your imagination never ceases to amaze me. What a kewl idea. Wonder why more don't try it.
Terry (existing)
06-11-2006, 03:04 PM
I would suggest that communication via one sense is a very poor means of knowing, or agreeing upon anything. I respect many on this board, but have yet to find anyone with whom I am in complete agreement on all posts they make. This is due, not to one of us being wrong, but in the way we explain ourselves, and the way others read and understand that explanation. "Anyone who visits for therapy is already in trance". That I state as fact, since I believe it completely, and have proved it to my own satisfaction. You of course may choose to believe otherwise, based on differing experiences, but you will not be able to disprove my statement, so it stands, if only for me....As for Skip's statement, nobody has been in the company of everyone all of the time, so again, that statement is unassailable, or if you preffer, unprovable.... It is a matter of choice what we believe, and what we feel we have proven don't you think? Now me, I am always in a trance, but still function well, so who am I to argue with Skip? My wife would also agree with him, since she too is always in trance. Guess it is a matter of what we mean by trance? Should we perhaps call it a state of heavy concentration?
Poodle
06-14-2006, 04:11 PM
We are in trance states every 90-120 minutes of the waking day. We are in a trance state every morning and every night. Have you even driven across town and had the horrible thought: "I hope I stopped at the stop signs and stop lights" as I don't remember getting here. You were in trance. Your SC will always keep you safe. It's my theory that during many of these "trance" states that something is able to enter the SC and be misinterpreted thus we have a client with a problem. Once the SC is put back in it's correct order, the mind/body functions correctly.
Let's do a presup here. What if you had acne. The acne scared your face. The new cells receive their knowledge from the dying cells so those scars are always going to be there unless one "reprograms" the SC to change the message those cells are passing to the new cells. New cells get correct message from SC and in 28-30 days no scars. People have often scoffed at Merlin for believing but her beliefs are very correct. We can and do change the body human.
In particular in NLP the "reframe" was meant to produce trance. Do not confuse this with the 6-step reframe. Why when we place certain anchors on clients to access certain desirable states does it work? It has to be a programming of the SC. As you note, many of the models used for NLP were great at producing trance at some level. Virginia Satir was not a hypnotist but I'm quite sure she could have had me in trance quickly with metaphors. Is that not the idea, meta4's with imbeds? Chaining states also produces a very trancie effect. Then we have our wonderful nested loops too. So, yes, there is a difference between a therapeutic trance - hypnosis or NLP, than trance states experienced at other times.