Share your toughts about trance and hypnosis

[ziggie301]

As a skilled or learning pratictioner, what's your phisical insight with trance and hypnosis. I mean.. How many times you get into trance in a day.. and how many do you think you would be in trance if you just did not have that knowledge. Is it all about uptime trance to assist your clients or people. Or do you find yourself in downtime trances. I know this may seem a generic question. But, as you read those scripts to assist your clients unconscious to change, do you ever get lost.. even for a while.. just for a moment.. in a trance? I think that could be dangerous to an unskilled pratictioner.. or it could be fine to a skilled one... but as you try to get the phisical sense that a trance gives to you.. Isn't it just that you are really into a trance yourself? Isn't it? Now... I just wish to know, you know... i'm so curious about it... If you could just become aware of those moments when you get into a trance.. and you're not sure you want to be into a trance.. or maybe you just don't want to get into a deep trance. I think I'm going to be so carefull about it.. becouse I found myself wondering.. and there was nobody leading.. not even myself anymore.. and even if I knew how to get out.. now.. I actually did take a lot to come out of it.. one hour or two.. and in the meanwhile... who knows what your unconscious is going to get from your senses.. so just be carefull about it.. and if you wish.. share your toughts about it.. happy 2007 to anybody

[Stoic]

Trust your unconscious?

Here's an example that comes to mind from my experiences. Sitting at a camp fire with a Vietnam vet just talking. Next thing you know my friend comes over and taps me on the shoulder, because he was all kinds of out of it (according to her), totally caught me off-guard. I had hypnotised this person without even making the conscious decision (not just put'em in a trance with my boring conversation, but actually did the ritualistic hypnosis induction without mentioning hypnosis).
It was absolutely amazing and scary at the same time. But after struggling with this for a day or two. I concluded that if my unconscious decided to just take over so strongly there must have been a reason. I mean I don't even remember what I said to him, but the results looked positive, he was relaxed, calm, and rapport was through the roof. I think I was explaining to him in trance, how we are in control of our blood pressure and tonight he is going to allocate some time to figuring out how to optimize it, because he is a great man and younger people like me need him around in good health.

Now, if you don't feel you unconscious is trustworthy enough. Don't you think that just says you need to work on unconscious competence, and when it is well equipped enough it will behave exactly as you want it even better and faster?

[Charlie]

...... Isn't it just that you are really into a trance yourself? Isn't it? Now... I just wish to know, you know... i'm so curious about it... If you could just become aware of those moments when you get into a trance.. and you're not sure you want to be into a trance.. or maybe you just don't want to get into a deep trance. I think I'm going to be so carefull about it.. becouse I found myself wondering.. and there was nobody leading.. not even myself anymore.. and even if I knew how to get out.. now.. I actually did take a lot to come out of it.. one hour or two.. and in the meanwhile... who knows what your unconscious is going to get from your senses.. so just be carefull about it.. and if you wish.. share your toughts about it.. happy 2007 to anybody

I'm sorry, what were you just saying?

I seem to have drifted off.....

somewhere.....

far, far, away......

[Poodle]

Professional hypnotists with experience do NOT read scripts. The mind goes into trance every 90-120 minutes of the day, every morning awakening and every night just before sleep. It can wander, daydream BUT IT IS NOT A HYPNOTIC TRANCE. They are not equal. Pood :)

[ziggie301]

Professional hypnotists with experience do NOT read scripts.

What do you mean? They do not read scripts to clients or to themselves?

[Poodle]

BOTH! Beginners read scripts and scripts usually won't work as they are not made for that specific person. Everyone of us is different and unique and we all have our own reasons for doing or not doing something.

[tdiamond]

reading a script can hypnotize someone.. it can not change specific things for specific people though. So using a generic script for hypnotherapy isnt called for.

A stage hypnotist uses a script ( saying the same thing show after show) and is effective.

You wouldnt want to read a totally generic script if you were doing anything more than relaxation.

As poodle said.. to evoke behaviorial change you would want to personalize your/the script for that particular persons issues and other things.

[tdiamond]

as far as getting lost... even for a moment..

i believe when you are in a groove with your client you do go there with them.. call it extreme focus or what have you.

I become very still, letting my intuition guide my timing being in sync with the person I am working with.. its like meditating, which is like going into the same state as hypnosis, for me anyway... or extreme rapport..

My take on it..

[Terry (existing)]

For those who want to know, there are books.
For those who want to DO there is training.
For those too lazy for the above we have the internet.:D

[Poodle]

You just gave a very good definition of the "non-existant" uptime trance.

I've got one now that denies the existance of the unconscious, subconscious, inner mind and yet he's here as everything else has failed. Talk about a bugger to get into trance. I finally did an instant and that ended it all. Now, will my suggestions work? Probably not as he is soooo convinced that we are only linear and logical and analytical. Time will tell.

[ziggie301]

For those who want to know, there are books.
For those who want to DO there is training.
For those too lazy for the above we have the internet.:D

One could even be poor, or don't have much time.. anyone is different from anyone anyway.. the knowledge, it can be for free, for those who want to spare their personal experience.. I won't surely be wearing a purple robe in my office in the next few days, or months.. and maybe I never will.. but surely I would get a glance to it from another perspective. And that's becouse many of us here are driven by curiosity.. that's right.. to have it, isn't it? when you've got something wrong and you've got to go out and get visited by your medic.. you can get there by the car.. or you get there by bus, or if you can't.. you can always get on foot.. it will surely take longer.. but you have one thing in your mind.. now.. that's your objective.. you just want to feel very good.. now.. who cares about how we do it anyway? :)

[Merlin]

How many times you get into trance in a day..
I'm in trance 24x7

and how many do you think you would be in trance if you just did not have that knowledge.
How does one not be in trance?

Is it all about uptime trance to assist your clients or people. Or do you find yourself in downtime trances.
everywhere inbetween

as you read those scripts to assist your clients unconscious to change, do you ever get lost..
I (and most of us) don't read scripts.

[Merlin]

I can teach you to carve wood for free.
There's not much to putting a knife to wood.
Is that all you want?
How useful is it?

[Terry (existing)]

One could even be poor, or don't have much time.. anyone is different from anyone anyway.. the knowledge, it can be for free, for those who want to spare their personal experience.. I won't surely be wearing a purple robe in my office in the next few days, or months.. and maybe I never will.. but surely I would get a glance to it from another perspective. And that's becouse many of us here are driven by curiosity.. that's right.. to have it, isn't it? when you've got something wrong and you've got to go out and get visited by your medic.. you can get there by the car.. or you get there by bus, or if you can't.. you can always get on foot.. it will surely take longer.. but you have one thing in your mind.. now.. that's your objective.. you just want to feel very good.. now.. who cares about how we do it anyway? :) I care Ziggie, and you would too if you knew what I know. Let me say this just once, and if it doesn't affect your attitude, I will just put you on my ignore list as a poster with whom I want no further contact.
You think your curiosity should be satified regardless of consequences, and I do not. You think from your knowledge, while I think from mine which covers many more years than you have lived. Which of us do you suppose is right? Now tell me something please. By what right do you feel agrieved at us because we won;t give you information that we feel you are not ready for? Is that your Right? Have you done something to earn that right?
Where did you get the idea that because you joined the internet it entitles you to anything your heart desires, without you doing anything for it in any way shape or form. Persons who feel this way are beyond my understanding, but I still won't give you what you want, and neither will anyone else here because we know better what the results might be, and the responsiblilty is ours.
You can stay or go, but if you choose to show lack of respect for us in the future, you will find your posts being ignored as time wasters, not just by me, but by all the adults here who are skilled, and who put out both time and money to be good, to help others, and most importantly TO DO NO HARM in the process...

[ziggie301]

I care Ziggie, and you would too if you knew what I know. Let me say this just once, and if it doesn't affect your attitude, I will just put you on my ignore list as a poster with whom I want no further contact.
You think your curiosity should be satified regardless of consequences, and I do not. You think from your knowledge, while I think from mine which covers many more years than you have lived. Which of us do you suppose is right? Now tell me something please. By what right do you feel agrieved at us because we won;t give you information that we feel you are not ready for? Is that your Right? Have you done something to earn that right?
Where did you get the idea that because you joined the internet it entitles you to anything your heart desires, without you doing anything for it in any way shape or form. Persons who feel this way are beyond my understanding, but I still won't give you what you want, and neither will anyone else here because we know better what the results might be, and the responsiblilty is ours.
You can stay or go, but if you choose to show lack of respect for us in the future, you will find your posts being ignored as time wasters, not just by me, but by all the adults here who are skilled, and who put out both time and money to be good, to help others, and most importantly TO DO NO HARM in the process...

For those who want to know, there are books.
For those who want to DO there is training.
For those too lazy for the above we have the internet.:D

I think god gave us the right to ask questions, anyone can choose to give us his point of view, or don't answer or being rude sayng "you're lazy" with a smile. That's ok.. I still respect you, becouse for me... You were not talking to me, but to the person you think I am. I'm sorry If I did seem offensive to you. That wasn't my intent. We are talking about points of view, isn't it? I tell you that I would feel sorry if you don't want to share your toughts with me anymore.. and that's becouse I wish to know you better to let you explain what you said (with that green smile) before I put you in my ignore list for being disrespectful to me.. I'm sure that you're 3 times older than me.. and this does'nt give you the right to shoot me for being disagreeing with you.. any adult knows it.. I don't know if I answered to your post correctly.. maybe you can be more specific about it, if you still wish to SHARE YOUR POINT OF VIEW BEING RESPECTFUL OF OTHERS. Thank you

[tdiamond]

I think god gave us the right to ask questions, anyone can choose to give us his point of view, or don't answer or being rude sayng "you're lazy" with a smile. That's ok.. I still respect you, becouse for me... You were not talking to me, but to the person you think I am. I'm sorry If I did seem offensive to you. That wasn't my intent. We are talking about points of view, isn't it? I tell you that I would feel sorry if you don't want to share your toughts with me anymore.. and that's becouse I wish to know you better to let you explain what you said (with that green smile) before I put you in my ignore list for being disrespectful to me.. I'm sure that you're 3 times older than me.. and this does'nt give you the right to shoot me for being disagreeing with you.. any adult knows it.. I don't know if I answered to your post correctly.. maybe you can be more specific about it, if you still wish to SHARE YOUR POINT OF VIEW BEING RESPECTFUL OF OTHERS. Thank you

How come, if you are curious and seeking others opinions, you are focusing on the only person that gave you one of his own that you didnt like...

instead...

of all the others on here that answered your question..

what do you care if Terry doesnt like or respect you? why even bother to read his thoughts on you..

read the others and move on.. why engage at all if it doesnt serve you...

[ziggie301]

as far as getting lost... even for a moment..

i believe when you are in a groove with your client you do go there with them.. call it extreme focus or what have you.

I become very still, letting my intuition guide my timing being in sync with the person I am working with.. its like meditating, which is like going into the same state as hypnosis, for me anyway... or extreme rapport..

My take on it..

That's right.. that's what i feel when I am working with clients.. tought I think I didn't explain what I really wanted to ask. That's about, your inner rapport with trance. If you were to work at home.. and thinking about a way to make your client go deeper into a trance.. reading the works you think it would work for it.. I'm not talking about hypnosis.. I'm talking about deepening trance and stay out or in it in the meanwhile. That's maybe for curiosity that you would want to see with your eyes, what a person feels when searching that information unconsciously in a script or any kind of induction.. this is what I do when I do create an induction, and in some cases (when I did realize it) I had some problems to get out of the trance... and get all the way back from nested loops for example.. and even for a moment, you feel you are in trance.. so.. I'm going to reformulate the question.. When you do study trance inductions, do you ever feel lost in it? What's your professional relation with trance as a professionist? How do you cope with it?

I'm sorry if I'm answering to you now, I think I must have a problem with flames. :mad: