Happy New Year!

[pmdigi]

Happy New Year Everyone!

[Connie]

Here's hoping it's fabulous! :D

[TaffyE]

Here's hoping it's fabulous! :D

No, don't hope, Know it will be.

Have a great one everybody :cool: :D

[Connie]

No, don't hope, Know it will be.

I like that! Thanks! :D

[Soren K (existing)]

Know it will be.

How about 'know it is'? :cool:

[Terry (existing)]

How about 'know it is'? :cool: Because "is" reffers to the present, and not what is yet to come. I hope you are not in practise? If so, you should be very carefull how you use tense, it is very important. Come to think about it, it is important if you are using self hypnosis also.:)

[Soren K (existing)]

Because "is" reffers to the present, and not what is yet to come. I hope you are not in practise? If so, you should be very carefull how you use tense, it is very important. Come to think about it, it is important if you are using self hypnosis also.:)

You are correct Terry, tense is very important... And the presuppositions look more promising for me on my version... e.g. when will it be a fabulous new year? Sometime in the future... well okay... meanwhile...:)

[Don]

This has been a fascinating series of posts, beginning with new years wishes and drifting to the importance of tenses. As it drifted, the context was lost. IMO all of the comments are accurate taken by themselves. In context, however????

It began by just saying Happy New Year.
Then was the hope that it will be fabulous.
This must have been a general wish as the context was unclear:
Should the New Year be fabulous or the entire year?
Or is it just another nice greeting? I think it's the last.
However, this was changed to don't "hope," know.
If I'm working with behavior change, I want to instill the concept
that this will happen. Therefore, I use "know" and not "hope."
However, I have no way of knowing of anyone's year will be
"fabulous." I don't even know what another person may think of
by this term. Would making $100,000,000 this year be the only
determinant of it being a fabulous year? If so, and I tell you I know
it will be fabulous, I'd be lying and lose trust and rapport.

Next the thread drifted to tense. Not "will be" but "is." Well, in changework, this is important. I will stop smoking means that it will occur sometime in the future. But with no context (i.e., a date) that future is always, well, in the future. In short, it would never be achieved because the future is yet to come. Therefore, I would use present tense. In a few cases, people have asked for a date in the future and I work with that, but I prefer to put it in the present tense.

In the context of this particular situation, however (and assuming that the wish for fabulosity was for the year and not just for the New Year), to say that you know the year is fabulous is fortunetelling and fatalistic--in a positive way, yes, but it is still fatalism and discounts free will.

In this case, the wish is for a great year which goes from now through 12/31/07. Therefore, limiting to present tense is, well, limiting. But so would be limiting not to today, but only the rest of the year.

Confusing even if it is in context, let alone out of context.

So, my best wishes that today is the best, most fabulous day of your life so far, and that it is also the worst day of the rest of your life.
:)

[Soren K (existing)]

You are correct Terry, tense is very important... And the presuppositions look more promising for me on my version... e.g. when will it be a fabulous new year? Sometime in the future... well okay... meanwhile...:)

Come to think about it when is 'this year'...

...God, I must be bored out my brains....

Anyway, hope (cause only you can know) it's a good year for you all.

Happy new year!

[Soren K (existing)]

In the context of this particular situation, however (and assuming that the wish for fabulosity was for the year and not just for the New Year), to say that you know the year is fabulous is fortunetelling and fatalistic--in a positive way, yes, but it is still fatalism and discounts free will.

are you serious! You cannot be serious. :)

[Terry (existing)]

Well to begin with, your wish for me is kind, friendly, but will have little or no effect on the year I choose to enjoy. In that sense, Don is correct if replying as a friend. On the other hand, when dealing with a client the situation differs. The client is in my chair because they are attempting to improve their life in some way. That means that at THIS point in time they are not having the best possible time, and will expect to have this at some time in the near future, since that is what we offer them. We do not offer instant success, that would indeed be foolish. We do offer fast success, which means that they can expect to improve within a very short time, but that time is not specified. If they choose to expect it instantly, that is just fine, we said fast, and that is fast enough. However, if they choose to accept fast as being tomorrow, that also is fast, and fine. To assume instant success is to doom many clients to dispointment, and that is not good for business or for success however you judge it. Change takes time, and that time may be a day, a week, or even a month to undo a problem that has existed for years. To me that is truly fast enough. If you wish to differ, that too is fine with me, I only offer advise, I do not demand obedience. Besides, you are not me, and will have differing viewpoints. However, saying "is" for something that will become fact over time is a lie to the subconcious. I am replying as a therapist, and not as a friend, but the advise is friendly. Take it or leave it, the end result will not affect me one iota. I exist to be helpful, I do not exist to train anyone, and my advise is based only on personal experience, so it will differ from that of others at times, since their experience may not be the same. One should always consider the fact that even the best will not always be right. That would indeed make them perfect, and mind readers too. :)

[Soren K (existing)]

However, saying "is" for something that will become fact over time is a lie to the subconcious.

the more you lie to it, the more it believes you... that, my friend, is why you have clients!

Regards,
Soren

[Soren K (existing)]

Well to begin with, your wish for me is kind, friendly, but will have little or no effect on the year I choose to enjoy. In that sense, Don is correct if replying as a friend.
:) What are you saying here Terry: that the year you choose to enjoy has unfabulousity as its characteristic? Or, that it's not, because you say it is?

A year is a period of time, between two dates, indexed to some particular consciousness, and governed by the conventions establishing a framework for orderly behaviour, what tense should your beliefs be? <I'm sure it was beliefs that were the focus of my intervention>

ok, ok, i'll shut up now.

[tdiamond]

this is like deja vu with skips post about how many nlp'er it takes to change a light bulb..

and why would i want a happy new year.. who the heck has to be happy all the time anyway;)

[Poodle]

Don is serious. Just a cut above! Can you find anything not correct in what he wrote?

So I will say I wish for each and everyone of you a very happy, prosperous and healthy 2007.

The Pood :)

[Soren K (existing)]

Don is serious. Just a cut above! Can you find anything not correct in what he wrote?

correct, yes, well may be... but no sorry, that made me hoot with laughter for some reason...

to say that you know the year is fabulous is fortunetelling and fatalistic--in a positive way, yes, but it is still fatalism and discounts free will.
no one else find that amusing?:rolleyes: the more i read it the funnier it becomes..


really though Pood, you're just taking sides... :(

[tdiamond]

[quote=Soren K (existing)]correct, yes, well may be... but no sorry, that made me hoot with laughter for some reason...


no one else find that amusing?:rolleyes: the more i read it the funnier it becomes..

you are just twisted ..thats all... and the cow sheep thing... did that guy actually have cows and sheep cause really... it's the food that gets them:eek:

[Terry (existing)]

:) What are you saying here Terry: that the year you choose to enjoy has unfabulousity as its characteristic? Or, that it's not, because you say it is?

A year is a period of time, between two dates, indexed to some particular consciousness, and governed by the conventions establishing a framework for orderly behaviour, what tense should your beliefs be? <I'm sure it was beliefs that were the focus of my intervention>

ok, ok, i'll shut up now. I am saying that the year I have depends totally on me, and not on anyone else. It is my attitude that decides how I react to what arises in my life. My decission as to the path I take under any and all circumstances, and I already know I will have a wonderful year simply because I did last year, the year before, and as far back as I can remember. It is a developed habit that anyone can have if they wish and are willing to work for. You can, if you choose, give me a small lift by making a kind remark occassionally, but that will have only a small and fleeting effect, while the decissions I make will decide how happy I am, and how satisfied I will be with the year ahead. If this is something you fail to understand, I am sorry, I can't be clearer, except to say, "my day is wonderful, tomorrow WILL be wonderful, and subsequent days will arrive in turn, and be wonderful also. I may wish you well, but can't make more than a small dent in your life either for good or ill. That is up to you and how you handle your affairs.

[Poodle]

Have you not read about Milton Erickson and the "found" horse? But then, I'm sure you will agree with me that horses are smarter than cattle or sheep. LOL - Pood

[Soren K (existing)]

][/b]the cow sheep thing... did that guy actually have cows and sheep cause really... it's the food that gets them:eek:


Tanja, I don't know if you know how much of a knack you have of saying exactly something I need to hear when I am attempting to take off with an anchor chained to my neck... (quite extraordinary anyway...)

One sentence contains 800 years in a subtle art, marking heaven from hell from where I stand and little to nothing from a few good teachers. I was depressed as hell when I woke up, I left the house with a vigorous mind..

:)

[Poodle]

You can be sooo absolutely wonderful!

[Jack]

Happy New Year Everyone!

Missed this. Happy New Year to everyone!

Jack

[Connie]

That was rather shocking! :)

For the record, when I replied to pmdigi, I was wishing him/her (not sure which sex) a fabulous (based on pmdigi's definition of "fabulous") YEAR (in it's entirety) and on into the future. I wish you all the same! But I also agree with Terry, it's up to us to make it the way we want it. So, let's make it GREAT!!!!!

[Ade]

Missed this. Happy New Year to everyone!

Jack

As a lurker on the forums may I wish you all a happy new year from the hords of silent watchers like me:)

Regards
Adrian

[Connie]

Thanks for the wishes. Same to you. You shouldn't be silent. Join in, it's more fun than lurking!!

[pmdigi]

".........I was wishing him/her not sure which sex ...." Connie, thanks for being so responsive! I just assumed everyone knew I'm a he. When I looked at my profile I saw that I never gave that information. Happy new year!