Healing Cancer - statistics

[Robert]

Hello,

I have ran across various anecdotal accounts of NLP / timeline / Hypnosis / energy healing methods being the prime cure for many people who displayed symptoms of major dis-eases such as cancer.

My question is whether anyone is aware of any statistics that have been collected about how often these modalities are effective in the treatment of cancer or other physical health issues. I am referring to actually healing or causing symptoms to disappear, rather than other issues that may surround these diseases such as pre-grieving, or stress, or compliance with Dr's "orders".

I realize that skill and sophistication of the practitioner will be a huge factor in this sort of thing. And yet, overall statistics of effectiveness would be very interesting. Is NLP / Hypnosis / Timeline more effective statistically than placebo? Of course, this is kind of an odd question as NLP / Hypnosis /
timeline would seem to actualize or utilize the placebo response when they work. Alternatively, perhaps NLP denominalizes the placebo effect somewhat.

It would be fascinating to put together a large (at least several hundred person) controlled study. In the meantime, if you have experience working on relieving symptoms directly with NLP, timeline, hypnosis or similar approaches....even prayer or meditation...please share your experience.
If anyone has any experience using NLP / hypnosis / timeline or other "mental modalities" to treat physical dis-eases / symptoms let's find out what sort of overall success rate we are having, and perhaps even model our own successes.

Looking forward enthusiastically to your response,
Robert

[Terry]

And whom do you propose should do this study, and tread on the toes of the medical profession? Hypnosis does NOT work on "cures" just changes, and hypnotists do NOT work on persons with medical problems without the specific consent of that persons doctor. At least this is so on this side of the pond, it may differ in the UK, I don't know....FYI a Psychiatrist from a prestigious University Hospital in the States, Johns Hopkins, revealed many years ago, that he had worked with a cancer patient, and the cancer had gone into remission. Even a doctor would not stick his neck out and claim victory over cancer using the clients mind only........Terry

[Don]

About 6 months ago, after a year of bad diagnoses, my step-father finally received an accurate diagnosis of non-Hodgkins lymphoma--cancer. He received chemotherapy and was told he was in remission and would be back on the golf course in a month and would live many more years.

Two months ago the cancer was back and he was given six months to a year.

He died three weeks ago.

[Hibbitty]

I'm sorry Don.

[Annie]

Don,

horrible to witness people suffer, 4 people in my own family checked-out with cancer : blood, lung & bone. that, against a nursing background of watching 1000's more go that route, on top of enduring the best medical science has to offer : "chemo, surgery & radiation".

That is why, when my mind erroneously thought it was my turn with Leukemia, I decided : "No, you people can't have my life. I want to live, and by the grace of God, I will live ".

I followed "none" of what I was told were "your only chances". I did it my way.

I am sorry your family-member is no longer here for you to help him *self-Heal*.

Yet, you can learn how to help others do so, should you decide to accept the invitation already recounted here, previously.
And
know as well, your family-member will smile on you from on High, as you do so !

I am writing this, in the hope you will *find new courage*

Annie

[Don]

Thank you, Annie.

I have plenty of courage. No problem. I just feel sad because I knew I could have helped my step-father (and my brother who died a year ago after a long bout with diabetes). But neither was interested in anything other than what they wanted to do.

[Annie]

Hi Don,

>Thank you, Annie. I have plenty of courage. No problem.

oh, Good:-)

> I just feel sad because I knew I could have helped my step-father (and my brother who died a year ago after a long bout with diabetes). But neither was interested in anything other than what they wanted to do.

sigh. yes, *the person is always at Choice*, or "Free will" as EC aptly says as well. We must respect that in others, as much as others must respect it in us.

Tho, you know, this opens up at least 4 more *helpful* debates; but I will not go there, here ... as you are "griefing". It's perhaps not the right time now - for you. Maybe later ...

yes, a maternal-aunt went from diabetes to bone-cancer. I could tell just by looking at her, what her Issue was.

I shall not forget another sweet little boy, in our family ... some people, it's sad the choices they make as parents. He was, as others have said of me, a seemingly 'old soul' . Had I, as a tiny child yet myself, been able to be near him geographically, I would have given this little child *all of my love* to make-up for what he didn't get as he should have been blessed.

Please know *my sincerest thoughts* are with you, Don.


Annie

[Terry]

Don, it is very hard to write a note of condolence to someone who has suffered the loss of someone they cared for deeply. I sing at funerals, since I am a member of a resurection choir, and I can tell you, I never leave feeling sorry for the body in the coffin, but always for those left to mourn the loss of that person.
One thing for sure though, I give each person the right to live as they choose, and the right to die the same way if one can be said to have that choice....
Like you, my family lost someone whom I could have helped had she chosen to let me. I feel no regret that she made a different choice, since I perceive this as her right, and something intrinsic to us all. You must work through your regrets on your own, since nobody can do it for you, but I hope these remarks are of some help. Terry

[Don]

Thank you all.

In life, we all have problems, regrets, disappointments. It's part of life experience. Some people allow those to control them (IMO, that's a focus on the past). Others, such as myself, think of them as learning experiences and bless the Divine for giving us the chance to experience them.

If people are having trouble with grief, I often advised (or just give a copy) of a wonderful book, "How to Survive the Loss of a Love." It's a combination of succinct poetry and advice.

One of my teachers--now a leading acupuncturist in California who has testified before the state legislature--gave me a concept which I still follow to this day and which I'd like to share:

Learn from the past...
Live in the present...
Create your future....

[solaris152000]

Here is a story a NLPer once told me.


"I once met a mother who was diagnosed with cancer, she didn't want treatment and decided that it was her time even though she was only 40. When I asked her why she said Her grand mother died of cancer at 40 then her mum died at 40 of cancer too so she thought it was now here time. I then re-phrased what she said and said" So dying at 40 runs in your familly, so by u refusing treatment u are paving the path the path for your daugter to die at 40 too. She then took up the treatment and is still alive today."

[Simple Guy]

Don,

My condolences to you.

It is sad when we know we could have been of help and the assistance was declined. I too have experienced and am experiencing such circumstances with family and friends. So, I appreciate the
quality of this sadness. This being what it is, it's important to remember that we're only responsible for the decisions that we and not others make.

[EC]

Don,
>>
Learn from the past...
Live in the present...
Create your future....>>

Interesting. I don't know the teacher you speak of but I have been using this in my practice for many years.

My Father-in-Law also passed away from cancer 2 months ago. He was given 18 mo with and 6 without Chemo. Much against my advice (due to the state of his immune function) He chose Chemo and died from the first round two weeks later. Cancer didn't kill him, ignorance and insufficient training on the part of several MD's and Oncologist killed him. Had even one of them advised against chemo until immune function was addressed he would likely have survived, and that was just the first of many mistakes on the ill fated journey to his death.

I watched my father die over 20 years ago, at the age of 47 years from the ignorance of allopathic medicine. Once allopathic treatment fails, the allopathic doctor becomes *dumber than a rock* as his training just ran out. The standard diagnosis is that the patient has entered a *natural* dying state and nature will take it's course.

From a professional and personal standpoint I became heavily involved in research on the mental, physical and spiritual issues in disease after my fathers death. Even with the considerable knowledge I have acquired in that time, and even with the family thereby knowing the possibilities and successes of alternative treatment, I still was powerless to intervene in my Father-in-Laws untimely and unnecessary death.

We have the least power with those that we are closest to. It is a helpless feeling that leaves us bearing the burden alone of *what might have been* had we pushed a little harder. To share with family members only brings guilt feelings on them. I find peace in truly knowing that we each are the captain of our own ship, wherever it might take us.

I *held out a hand* as I am sure you did and that is all we could and should do!

EC

[Don]

My condolences on your loss.

Yes, my hand was held out. Many times. And it was refused. I keep thinking that maybe I could have done more. But I realize, too, that we must allow people to make their own choices, including the decision to choose to die.

That doesn't make it easier, but it is a reality.

[robo]

Dear People,
Currently I am working on my dissertation on Hypnosis (and NLP and TLT) and the influence on cancer development.
There has been done lots of research with positive outcomes in the field of psychology. As far as I know in the field of NLP and TLT there are only anacdotal stories of healing. In the field of Hypnosis, there has been done little research which provides a positive outcome.

I am very curious to ALL information regarding the effect of NLP/ TLT / hypnosis and the relation to cancer/ cancer survival.

(I am ofcourse aware of Dr Hamer, and the application of TLT, but have not yet seen any evidence, or heard many stories).

In due time information regarding my research will be published on www.healingpsyche.com (http://www.healingpsyche.com). Which will also include therapeutic resources.

If you have any information please let me know

Sincerely
R.v.Overbruggen BSc, PhD(c)
info@hypnose.nl

- Certified NLP Trainer, Hypnotherapist, TLT Master Practitioner -
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[Merlin]

Check out 'Answer Cancer' By Stephen Parkhill.