The Underground Hypnosis "Black Ops" Course

[m-16-150]

Moderators note. I left this post in after removing the URL so you guys could have a good laugh. Skip




"The Astonishing Secrets Of The Most Respected ...Most Knowledgeable ...And Most Dangerous Hypnotist In The World!"

Yes, These Are THE Controversial Methods That The Underground Has Concealed For YEARS. From: The Desk of Taylor Starr
Date: December 4, 2006
Atlanta, GA
Dear Seeker,
The underground hypnosis groups have melted into a frenzy of mayhem.
Why? Even though these "groups" made insane attempts to keep this knowledge from you, I have finally unearthed EVERY SINGLE PIECE of advanced hypnotic power known to man.
"Black Ops" Hypnosis patterns like this have been kept under-wraps by secret societies for years. But today, Monday, December 4, 2006, I am unveiling this rare and crucial information.
Here's The Rundown...
The hypnosis world is in shambles, and for good reason...
This site is unveiling secret ways to hypnotize humans that were never thought possible. I've seen these powers "in action" and they are more explosive than an atomic bomb.
Please listen carefully, this information is absolutely detonating in the wrong hands.
Yes, This is THE site that is making mountains of controversy in the hypnosis industry. As the word has spread, more and more have attempted to take ANY measures to bring this website down.
My name is Taylor Starr, and you are about to experience the most intense and influential knowledge ever revealed.
Meeting "The Leaders"
Hypnosis has never been a fascination for me, it's been an obsession.
I have constantly been in search for underground ways to TRULY hypnotize people. Unfortunately, everything I found was either totally bunk or completely outdated and useless.

I'm sure you know EXACTLY what I mean. One look around the internet and you'll find 99% of the "hypnosis sites" out there are complete crap.

But the power I eventually stumbled onto scared me to death...
I was totally shocked to find there were others feeling my distress. I eventually became close friends with some other "searchers", and together we would share findings in hopes that we could finally piece the puzzle together.
After almost giving up and accepting the fact that I would never hypnotize everyday people within seconds, an informant of mine stumbled on to something VERY odd.
I can't go in to details of what my informant said (NONE of these people will let me publish there REAL names).
But I'll give you a hint:
There was an Underground Team of dark geniuses that had unearthed some VERY intense information on hypnosis.
These Underworld Leaders had slowly developed Black Ops hypnosis skills that MANY "professionals" swear are impossible.

Trust me, this is real. This is almost TO real.
My Name Is Taylor Starr, And
I Am An Addict...
As soon as I had a "taste" of this underground knowledge, I was addicted.
Seriously, It was like HEROIN.
I literally spent almost one thousand hours trying to track down this mysterious secret society. Attempting to break into this subculture was harder than hacking the Pentagon's computer.
These guys had their "security" nailed down tight. And nobody was breaking in...
Luckily I met someone "in the know". An informant of mine told me the man I needed to meet was Willow. Willow actually knew the three MAIN leaders of the Underground, called "The Triad".
Meeting The Triad was out of the question. Some of their own high-level members had no clue who they were.
When I finally found Willow, I wrote him an email introducing myself.
That was really freaky because...
He KNEW I Was Coming!
Even though we'd never met, never spoken, or anything.
In fact, when he emailed me back telling me he'd been expecting me, he actually hypnotized me by email!
I know this sounds crazy but when I finally spoke to him in person, he explained how it worked. (NOBODY knows how to do this.)
Can you imagine? Hypnotizing someone by email?
If I hadn’t been the one who was actually hypnotized, I would have NEVER believed it.
But it happened. And that was just the beginning.
Willow had connections that government agencies only dream of.
Willow had a direct line to meeting "The Triad". After earning Willow's trust, I was in.
Once I finally met "The Triad" it was all over.
I gained more Black Ops Hypnosis knowledge than I ever dreamed possible...
What This Means To YOU
It took a while for "The Triad" to fully trust me, but my hard work and perseverance really paid off for both you and me.
Here's what I mean.
I was absolutely DYING to find out all of the tricks under these leaders' sleeves.
I mean think about it.
These three subterranean leaders literally WROTE THE BOOK on Underground Hypnosis.
They LITERALLY invented it.
If I could just pick their brains for an hour, I knew my life would explode with new possibilities.
Unfortunately, The Underground Leaders were very tight lipped and only exposed these underworld tactics to a select few close friends.
But after months of hard work and networking, I finally gained their trust and they agreed to meet in person.
Honestly, the ONLY reason they met with me is they heard about this site, and wanted to figure out how I found out about this very rare form of hypnosis.
What happened next completely startled me.
After our meeting, The Leaders offered to train me in the most advanced Black Ops Underground Hypnosis tactics known to man.
I spent over a month in insanely difficult studying sessions and meetings with the masters. Words can NOT describe the hell I went through to learn these techniques (You probably wouldn't believe it if I told you).
...All the suffering and pain was worthwhile, because now I'm doing things that men only dream about.
Have Your Toughest Enemies Eating From The Palm Of Your Hand
Here's what happened.
I work in a high profile real estate firm selling office complexes to rich, hard-nosed investors.
Just the other day, I met a client at work to discuss some business issues.
This was the type of client you absolutely HATE to deal with.
He was rich as hell and didn't want to listen to me. And he was rude. He thought he was better than everybody because he's so rich.
Anyway, I was kind of stuck with him because he everyone else in my company had refused to work with him.
I Decided To Use "Black Ops Hypnosis" On This Rich Jerk And Make Him Give In To My Commands
Just thinking about dealing with this client made me nervous as a nun at bike week.
But I decided to put what I'd learned from "The Leader" to the test.
I ran a quick "Iron Man" pattern on myself (you'll see how to do this as well) and approached the rich jerk with more confidence than I have ever had.
(It's amazing how simple the Iron Man Pattern is. Your life will literally be transformed by this technique alone.)
So I sat down with this guy and immediately started watching his eyes and body movements.
After running the "Black Mirror Operation" on him, (again, you can hear how to do this in the course) he started open up to me.
(You'll be surprised how simple it is to make people like you during that first impression!)
Then I Dropped The Freaking Hammer On Him.
I used the "No Cleaver" technique I learned from "The Leader". This is where you hypnotize someone during "normal conversation" and make them believe it is fundamentally wrong to disagree with you.
It's not illegal to do this ...yet. But it should be.
Seriously, this was the most amazing thing I have ever seen. The guy folded like a paper napkin.
I had this "Big Wig" in the palm of my hands. I seriously think if I would have wanted him to dance in his underwear like a chicken, he would have done it just to gain my approval.
Hell, I might have to try that one out next time.
Hands down, it was the most amazing thing I've ever seen. He had absolutely NO control over the situation and needless to say I got the deal (this was only last week, people at the office are STILL going absolutely nuts).
Since "The Triad" taught me these three techniques I just told you about, my income has exploded.
If you use this information, you could easily see changes in your finances IMMEDIATELY.
Heck, you can see changes in any part of your life you want.
The bottom line is this:
You WILL Be Hypnotizing People In Minutes
But only if you take advantage of this opportunity today.
The reason this won't last long is I'll probably be forced to take this site down.
I am basically banned from the hypnosis industry as they have made a HUGE stink about this.
In fact, the only way "The Triad" agreed to let me make this knowledge public was if I:
1. Paid him a small fortune (which I did, but it's already come back to me in spades).
2. Promised to NEVER reveal their true identity.
3. Only disclose this information to a VERY small, select few individuals.
Unfortunately those "select few individuals" are piling up quicker than I thought humanly possible...

[Jack]

Ah yes, the underground team of dark geniuses, I know it well. I used to be in it but I was not dark enough, or far enough underground, so I was expelled. Since that time I have tried to dye myself darker and have purchased a new shovel, all to no avail.

Jack

[Don]

I've seen some of these "dark secrets." The usually consist of nothing more than a few watered-down NLP concepts, extended to levels that rarely work, at greatly overpriced costs.

The best part of them is the advertising, just as the best parts of "sea monkeys" are the ads.

[Connie]

Thanks, Skip. That was funny. I especially like the bolded bits.

[Poodle]

On occasion one can buy into a little watered down "course" for not much money. What's $40 in this biz? Then comes the hook, want more, send in xxx hundred as only a very limited number of people will get in by a very specific date. For $40 it was FUN looking at it from already being a CH and Master NLP Prac. It's tragic that people are taken in by this as there are many legitimate training schools offering both NLP and hypnosis. I also noticed he did a really good job of ripping off some well known hypnotist's work. Pood :mad:

[Don]

Poodle, if it's true that when the student is ready, the teacher will appear, then it's also true that when the student is ready to get cheated, the cheater will appear.

[Game Genie]

I agree with Pood that $40 isn't a lot to throw in. You might get something useful and then it'd be worthwhile right? However they jacked the price up! As an artist I can say that sometimes we love using beginner materials to alter results on our work. As a musician I can say sometimes a simplified composition has more depth?

From what I've seen/heard this offers, I already have the resources. If not, I can do it already. Still I love the premise for the marketing! Pity it completely undermines the product.

[Charlie]

m-16-150 posting = best hypnosis posting EVER!

[tdiamond]

AH HA HA, once again I can rule the world all for 40.. wow!!!!

[SgtFrog]

$40 seems fair for learning rapport, anchoring, reading responces and re-framing.

[Don]

Sgt, you don't learn them. You learn about them. Learning them requires practice and correction of errors. If you just want to learn about such things, there are many good books available that go into far greater detail for far less money.

[skip]

Then by all means dont hesitate, spend your $40.

[Poodle]

you get what you pay for. These cannot teach anyone that already does not know anything. They were for PLAY, DIVERSION, FUN for a professional. I've been to in person, live trainings and already had all the knowledge. I was just curious. It's a rip-off scam. If you want to learn, go the real route where you WILL LEARN with a live teacher and lots of hands on practice with other students. The old saying comes to mind re: Black Ops: A fool and his money are soon to part. Have you not thought if he were this great, why internet junk? Why isn't even a question for learning as it leads to because and because in this case leads to JUNK!

You cannot learn rapport, anchoring etc. from the internet. How would you even know what a K anchor feels like if you have not experienced one and then one has to know when to anchor. GET A CLUE HERE FOLKS AND SAVE YOUR $$ FOR "THE REAL THING". :mad:

[Henry123]

I have first heard of the Black Ops stuff from someone. He gave me a free disc of their stuff but I have still to look at it (too much on my plate already).
From what little I have heard I'm abit sceptical about their material.

[blackbeast]

:cool: Hello let me introduce my self.. I am a student of taylor starr.
My name is johnsmith and I would like to say that all of you people who
call yourself hypnotists, that say taylor is a fake are a bunch of losers. :D
You will never know on what you missed out on...;)
BLackops has changed my life. It is not just nlp, seduction, hypnosis, and
social engeneering...... it is way of life.

People like me are going to easly out hypnotize silly wimps...!
The sad thing is that even if you bought taylors stuff you wouldn't understand it cause taylor thinks on mush higher levels than you...

Johnsmith

[Don]

Hi, blackbeast.

Thank you for your passionate support of Mr. Starr.

There's just one thing--you didn't share anything to support your claims.

You say that his work has "changed your life." Exactly what has changed? What was it before and what is it now?

You say that by not reading his material, we will "never know what we missed out on." Okay. since you know more than anyone here, please share with us just a few things that you've learned that we've missed out on. Just, say, three items would do.

Finally, you say you could "easly out hypnotize" others. Could you share who you trained in hypnosis with, the books you've studied, and the years of experience you've had to make this claim? After all, if you don't have the training, study, and experience that some people here have, how do you know what the people here can and cannot do?

Thanks in advance for your answers. Most of the people here are very interested in learning things they don't know.

[Connie]

In addition to Don's excellent questions, I have two more questions for Mr. Smith. One, how's Pocohantas doing? Number two, you describe Taylor's mind as being "mush." Why should someone whose mind is mush be of interest to the people here?

[skip]

"taylor thinks on mush higher levels than you..."

I couldnt have said it better myself.

Johnny boy is wearing the same slips Freud did.

skip

[Soren K (existing)]

... following Don, could you also say who taught Mr Starr <that'd be interesting also>

Cheers,
Soren

[Terry (existing)]

"Dear John", I love those opening words, they say so much in such a short space, and with economy of words.

Dear John, I am leaving you because you have turned into to mush of a problem in your manner of communication. I leave you to your starr attraction, and go to seek eleswere for some intelligent signs of life on this planet.

Truly yours, as once I was...
Well, perhaps it isn't that good, but look what I had to work with:D

[Poodle]

Believe me darling, I have taken Taylor's little ole course -- whew -- what a rip off and also IMO ripped off scripts from higher ranking members/CI's that belong to NGH. Naw, kiddo, I learned much, much more in my myriad live-in person courses and now I'm off for one of the ultimate courses with Bandler. I just may be very strange as I much prefer to learn from the big name trainers as they have been in business for a very, very, very long time and have presented the world with lots of marvelous trainers.

I'm very happy that you believe it changed your life. Did you do it all on the net? How do you know you really know what you think you know as you don't or didn't have lots of other students to practice with while the Trainer was watching. Have you opened up a practice? If so, doing what may I ask? Are you even certified by anyone or anything? Didn't think so!

There are just no real short cuts in our professions. There's an old saying: If we settle for less, then we get less than we settled for. Or possibly a better one comes to mind: A fool and his money are soon to part.

[Jack]

This is hilarious! The incoherent ramblings of 'John Smith' should serve as a reminder to all of us who teach and all of us who are therapists that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Jack

[blackbeast]

Yeah my last post had a few type-errors, I was real pissed that
you people had nothing but bad things to say about someone that
was based on just speculation. You did miss out on taylors blackopsmonthly. I could easly tell you a few tactics out of taylors
advanced course but I would be going against taylor starr by doing that.
Think of someone that had a very positive influnce over your life maybe
your father or a great teacher of yours... taylor is like that to me. I can
tell you about a situation I had and how taylor helped me. I was an advanced user of blackopsmontly when a boss of mine stabbed me in the back by hurting my family. Think of the worst human being that you ever interacited with, that was my boss.(I can't post the exact what my boss did cause I feel it is too personal)I almost lost my sanity. Taylor listened to me and directed me on how I should handle the situation. The boss of mine was buddy buddy with
the higher ups. I thought it was imposible to fix the situation. I used blackopsmonthly advanced tactics to make the impossible possible.
To make a long story short my boss ended up getting fired. I have known hypnosis and nlp for 4 years now and it wasn't until I got a hold of blackopsmonthy that I have felt true power. You guys may hate Taylor but Taylor did alot for me and if it wasn't for him I would of ended up in jail, going crazy, or getting fired from my backstabbing boss. Please stop
slandering taylor.

Johnsmith

[Jack]

John, nobody hates Taylor. At least I think nobody does. There may be some who do but I don't know of them and they are not on this board as far as I can tell.

Neither do I dislike you. Have to admit I find any kind of fanaticism repellent, but fanaticism is just a behaviour, and I am sure that your subconscious has a positive intention. The Taliban think in exactly the same way.

Now, I don't know you except for your posts, but at the risk of mind reading (for which I apologise in advance) I think you have found what you believe is a solution to whatever it is that actually ails you, rather than the visible story about your boss, and that is ok.

Most of us understand the need for a quick fix, the kind of fix that lasts a lifetime and is applicable in every potentially hurtful situation you may encounter, but my friend I have to tell you that it does not exist.

NLP is not it. Hypnotherapy is not it. Neither is Indian Head Massage, EFT, Reiki, Acupuncture etc., etc. What they are is a means of exploring the possibilities.

You are an incredibly complex human being and you do yourself a disservice when you rely on one method of solving your problems. There will come a time when what you know will not be enough, and slavishly waiting for the next edition of Mr Taylor's pronouncements will not be enough.

Open your mind to other possibilities. This is meant kindly.

Jack

[blackbeast]

You shouldn't judge a book by it's cover. Yeah taylors advertisement isn't the best in the world but the content in blackopsmonthly is amazing.
You will never really know what went on in blackopsmonthy. Im not going
to try to convince you that you missed out cause it don't matter any more.. blackopsmonthly is gone forever. If taylor's course is trash then show me where I should go for training. I have bought so many courses like kevin hogan, nathan blazak, bandler, and it goes on and on. I have been to some seminars and you know what they don't even come close to what taylor had in his advanced stuff.blackops monthly had 8 months of training and 5times more info than u-course not to mention blackopsmonthly quality explained blackops much more detailed than the u-course. The u-course seems watered down cause taylor intentional left out LOTS of info.
I guarantee if you get another blackopsmonthly member in this forum he/she would also say that you are missing out. Its not rocket science learning rapport skills and covert skills when taylor is the teacher.
type up hypnosis top site ratings and the black
ops underground course is usually on top.

p.s.
I got a good laugh about the Pocohantas joke.

johnsmith

[blackbeast]

when I said type up hypnosis top site ratings and the black
ops underground course is usually on top.

I meant do a yahoo search on hypnosis top ratings and the blackops
underground course is usually on top.

bye

[skip]

Which means exactly what to you?

That Mr Taylor is reputable?

Or merely that he gets a lot of hits from those who feel disinfranchised and want revenge?

Hits dont mean a damn thing, you can buy hits.

I have no clue about Mr Taylor's skills except to observe that he knows little or nothing about using hypnotic language patterns, as evidenced by his advertisement.

And that he doesnt care enough to learn about writing good advertising copy, as evidenced by his advertisement.

I consider him scum because of the appeal he makes in his advertisement, but thats my opinion.

I like the fact that you have become so skilled.

It demonstrates that even the worst can be of benifit to someone.

But we dont need to talk about Mr Taylor.

Are you Taylor's poster child?

I cant wait for you to dazzle us with your expertise. Without revealing any of Mr Taylor's secrets of course.

You know the tree by its fruit.

cheers,

skip

[blackbeast]

Skip,
Wow just any pasty neard can talk as much trash they can.
For you to easly talk trash is kind of a reflection on your personality.
A-s-s-h-$%le cough! exuse me.
I bet you are just another neard that lives in your mommys basement.
Who are you to be passing judgment on people so easly?
john


What kind of loser has time man of year 2006 on the bottom of
his posts...
Real men don't post garbage like that, thats a posers job.
Wow I think you are trying too hard old man!!
Hypnotize that old man!



I would be the guy who can delete your post. But I would much prefer to leave it and let everyone see the fantastic skills they can expect to posess should they choose to waste their $40 and an hours effort.

Thanks, you were exactly as expected.

skip

[blackbeast]

Taking out the trash it's a crummy job but someone's got to do it.:)

If you want to send me anymore love letters skip
you can reach me at stealthmastersmith@yahoo.com

I am done bothering with this place. I got a life.
Let me know when you move out of your moms
basement.

john

[Connie]

You know the tree by its fruit.

So true!! :)

[Jack]

Let me know when you move out of your moms
basement.

john

He did. He's in your Mom's basement now. With you.
It's a little known secret of covert hypnotherapy called remote viewing. We can all see you, in fact.

What is that you are doing? Ah, I see, nothing unusual then.

Jack

[Terry (existing)]

Dear John, "I still love that beginning", Jack is correct, non of us hate Mr Starr. Fact is, he is unknown, and therefor unloved, but certainly not hated. However, why on earth did you bother to come here I wonder. We are highly skilled in the practises of mind therapy of various kinds, including hypnosis. What you have done in fact, is demonstrate the poor and poisonous effects of the training you received, rather than any benifits. As for your insults, they are purile, infantile, and demeaning to YOU, not to us who are not only well trained, but also understanding, and note your lack of both communications skills, and couth. Please feel free not to return, you are the first ever to be placed on my ignore list without a second chance...
As for the basement comment, you never know. Some of us are doing research on remote viewing, and even in transmitting other senses than sight, so beware as you sit at your computer and feel the touch of a ghostly hand on your cheek. We might decide to use you as an unwilling victim, now that we have your email address,:eek:..:D

[Don]

Well, it appears that blackbeast has left us...or so he says.

That's too bad. I politely asked several questions concerning his first post. Specifically:

"please share with us just a few things that you've learned [from Mr. Starr] that we've missed out on. Just, say, three items would do."

No response from blackbeast.

"...you say you could "easly out hypnotize" others. Could you share who you trained in hypnosis with, the books you've studied, and the years of experience you've had to make this claim?"


His response was to casually name some mail-order courses--the ones you find advertised on eBay--although not the specific ones. He lists no in-person training. He lists no information about his experience. However, his big comment was in response to this:

"You say that his [Starr's] work has "changed your life." Exactly what has changed? What was it before and what is it now?"


Finally, you say you could "easly out hypnotize" others. Could you share who you trained in hypnosis with, the books you've studied, and the years of experience you've had to make this claim? After all, if you don't have the training, study, and experience that some people here have, how do you know what the people here can and cannot do?

His response is quite revealing. It's not about Starr's course. It's about how Star was like a "father or a great teacher." It's about how he was totally lost and how his mentor, Starr, gave him personal advice that helped him.

So the reality is that blackbeast's defense of Starr has nothing to do with supporting what Starr teaches. Rather, it is about defending his daddy. The question is, where was his real father? Why has he had to attach himself to someone over the internet than a real person?

From his own post, it is clear that blackbeast was a hurting, fearful person, and by having someone to communicate with and how gave him some advice, he know feels empowered. As a result, he had deified Starr, and any disagreement with Starr is like an attack on God and must be countered. It is a fine example of the "God said it. I believe it. That settles it" mentality.

In short, rather than empowering himself, he has empowered Starr.

Most people here don't know it, but I am a fairly well-known author in another area that is a type of self-help. Almost every day I get emails or snail mail from people asking me to do something for them to help them achieve their desires. My response is always the same: that would be empowering me, not them, and my goal for decades has been to help people empower themselves. I'll be glad to teach people to fish, but I won't go fishing for them.

I prefer friends, not followers. The relationship between blackbeast and Mr. Starr--even if unintended by Mr. Starr--is the antithesis of what I desire. IMO such devotion is based on maladjustment and in a few cases can lead to serious mental illness and even anti-social behavior.

It is my hope that blackbeast comes to a realization that Starr is not a deity and not his daddy. I hope he learns the meaning in psychology of the term "transference," why psychologists and psychiatrists use it, and why it is misplaced in his relationship with Mr. Starr.

[Poodle]

Is a neard the same thing as a nerd? ROFL!! Little snot has absolutely no idea to whom he is writing.

I do not believe anything Mr. Starr has is copyrighted so anyone PM me and I'll try to get it to you so you can laugh too. If it is copyrighted, I know some CI's with NGH would be mighty interested in seeing their lovely work misused. I believe the word for it is "intellectual property".

Mmmm, think I'll join in for the RV sessions with ya'll.

I further wish this whole freaking thread would just die and go away forever and a day. Pood

[Poodle]

Almost in the same arena in today's mail I received a brochure -- a 4 day training of hypnosis/NLP (for those of us that are already trained or not) to have clients stop smoking in one hour. It's in Irvine and amazingly enough costs $10,000. It also comes with scripts. According to what I just learned from Bandler, it should cost me NO money and should not take over 15 minutes with 100% success. The book was sooo absolutely fascinating I just about could not put it down and did finish it in one evening w/o speed reading. Pood ;)

[Terry (existing)]

Don, there are people who defty change because they see no cause to change... I don't believe anyone can be of assistance to such ... even the most skilled, it is brainwashing at its finest, done on some[one] without means of defence, and sorry as you may be, there is nothing you can do to change what is. All you are likely to get is invictive since you dare to challenge his belief system. Only [such a person's]... dream world is safe, and he will live in it until he dies, and fight those who challenge it.. Let it go, you can't save them all, particullarly if they don't want to be saved....

[Poodle]

I took real live NLP Training and real live hypnotherapy training. I also took real liveTime Line Therapy Training. I'm a Reiki Master Teacher in two areas. I am a Certified Instructor of Hypnotherapy (more training) and soon to be a Trainer of NLP (more training).

Now, son, you want to take someone on. Take me on. I've done it all. I have wonderful clients and I even took Taylor's stupid course. Believe me when I say stupid as I know what stupid is as I have had the BEST.

If ... I .. make public ... Taylor's work for all to see and joke about as it is pathetic. I'm not into pathetic. I love genius...

[Simon]

I have the strangest feeling that our friend John is in fact Taylor himself :D

[mystery]

Please don't make my posts vanish! It is kind of childish.
I am just trying to put in ++positive++ info on a positive
product! This is an amazing course. I would give it :D :D :D this
many smiles because it is a great product! If you like NLP
then you should give blackops a chance. Please lets not
be childish, lets just have a normal chat about this. We are all
intitled to our won opinions and mine is the opposite of the people
on this forum.

[Terry (existing)]

There you go,your wish is granted, and your post intact. Now perhaps you will answer the questions Don put? What courses have you taken for example? After all knowledge comes from experience, and if you are to defend your position, which you say is oposite to that of other persons known to be skilled and practised, you should be ready to offer some proof of your training and therefor skills.
What did you get from the black ops course? How long did the course last? how much did it cost? You know the drill, so give Mr Starr the benifit of this pulpit, and give us the dope. If you are any good show it. If you are not why would you attempt to dispute with those who are in the business, and very successful?
I have been in this business for a very long time, and though I do at times disagree with the comments of another skilled practitioner, I make my comments clear, and offer such argument as shows my position and reasons. This is one way we advance our skills. I retain respect for all members, because I recognise that they are all skilled, but coming from different directions, and likely to disagree in small ways from time to time.
I respect your right also, but since we know nothing about you, it would seem prudent for us to question you, and for you to show the respect for others that demands you reveal your ability to offer a differing opinion based on knowledge don't you think? If all you can say is "I disagree with you all", we have nothing to discuss because we give you that right without argument or discussion and leave it to others to judge its value....:)

[Poodle]

You may wish to inquire if Skip still has the copy of Mr. Starr's interview regarding hypnosis I e'd him. It was soooo funny. Absolutely half-truths, inuendos and downright lies as in Dr. "Esdale" removing warts in the 1800's without anesthesia. It certainly was a new and interesting history of hypnosis. I'm still laughing. :D :D :D

[mystery]

Wow I can tell I am not dealing with a chump. The way you set yourself up, you probably go through
life as the alpha male without a worry in the world. The truth is the way you stringed on all of
those questions is like a mental trap. If I directly answer them then that would set the frame as
you the alpha and me the beta.
Now as human beings we all have different perceptions. Your perceptions along with the people of
this forum were probably screwed a little probably because you heard a friend of yours saying
blackops is total garbage and your unconscious mind took in their opinion as fact which is totally
natural because of the rapport. (slight case of pacing and leading)
It will be a tough job trying to convince the people of this forum that blackops is not garbage
because I am dealing with very experienced, skilled, smart people and when a person is put in
a state of very experienced they tend to over look lots of things that can expand their mind
map of knowledge.
Please review your perception. It is better to adopt perceptions that don't limit us than to
go on through life staying very skilled when you could of been a little better.
As for blackops I will spar with anyone who downs it but in a respectful way.



Mystery

[skip]

Mystery's posts have been vanishing because they appear to be spam supporting spam, and mystery became involved in a childish pissing contest with another poster..

If mystery wants its posts to remain, then mystery will respond to Don's Questions, and a few more. Otherwise I will ASSUME, correctly or not, that this is just more spam.

In other words, if you are going to make the claim, demonstrate that you have the knowelege base to comprehend the claim you make.

1. How specifically is this black ops stuff better than Elman's instant induction?

2. How specifically is this black ops stuff better than Erickson's conversational style?

3. How specifically is this black ops stuff better than Hogan's covert hypnosis?

Cite examples and side by side comparasons. If you arent sure how to do this look in the archives for my posts on Ericksonian verses authoratarian hypnosis.

Mystery, failure to at least make a lame attempt, will result in this, and your future posts, tauting the marvels of 'black ops', being deleted.

Make no mistake, your credibility is on the line.

Do this well, and you are fine.

Do it poorly, or not at all, and we will all know.

I have my suspicions of what will happen.

Prove me wrong.

skip

[mystery]

Skip,


I have decided to stop trying to show you that blackops is something
special. I never said it was better than the elman induction, traditional nlp. I was just trying to show that it was something unique.

Please delete my all of my posts because my tolerance level isn't what I thought it was.

[Connie]

We are all intitled to our won opinions and mine is the opposite of the people on this forum.

Why do you lump "the people on this forum" together and attribute the same opinions to them? I had no opinion on "black ops" until this topic appeared. NOW I do (have an opinion), thanks to you and your testimony and lack thereof about the program. It's a joke.

[Terry (existing)]

Have to go with Skip on this. I had never heard of black ops before, I have a mind of my own, and I asked questions because I also expect a reply. Without such, I see a lack of respect regardless of your protestations, because you have no argument to make. Yes Skip, pull the plug, but remember the names of those who posted.:D

[Poodle]

I would be very happy to have this thread in it's entirety disappear.

[skip]

The problem Mystery, your problem, is that claims like 'black ops' makes are a dime a dozen, not unique at all. And while the "secret powerful techniques" described by the advertising might be revolutionary to you ...

I suppose that is exactly my point mystery, it isnt unique.

Im sorry you didnt have a go.

I would have had more respect for you, if you had, even if you fell short. At least you would have demonstrated the courage of your convictions, and possibly more.

But you didnt, and that is certainly your choice. And I do not think less of you for it. I am left with the impression that I already had. That you are an intelligent, euridite, individual, who has an interest in, but not much experience with, hypnosis.

And that you may, or may not, be Mr Taylor, who apparently has done a bit with the Kennedy/Joiner/Vitale marketing philosophy. More with that, than with hypnosis, I dare say.

cheers,

skip

ps I dont think I'll remove the thread. I felt in the beginning that it served a purpose. I still do. You can certainly appeal to Don, Laine, or Matt.

[Connie]

Re: to delete or not to delete! There's also a considerable entertainment value to letting it remain. :)

[Merlin]

I gave it a chance <yawn>

[Merlin]

Terry,
you can find black-ops among the voo-doo and other secret programs.
Once on their mailing list, watch out


Oh, I am willing to take entire courses for the *occasional* nugget of useful info.

[Don]

I agree with Merlin that there is occasionally a nugget of useful info in these hyper-marketed, super-secret, over-priced trainings. Usually, they are simplified, superficial, tiny aspects of a bit of NLP.

I also have several lousy books on hypnosis that I keep because A) I'm a book lover, B) they may have a couple of good ideas, C) entertainment value.

One of the things that most of these super-secret systems have in common is that each has it own unique jargon and acronyms. Translate the jargon and fully reveal the meaning of the acronyms and your have part of a hypnosis 101 course.

[Merlin]

I agree Don.
I was just explaining why I waste money and time with all the garbage.

[mystery]

I don't mind staying a while to chit chat but as soon as this turns into
an interrogation I have to go. I don't expect to convince you that blackops
is amazing because it is something you have to see for yourself. Once you
do see it you have to look really close and study it.

If you can yawn while listening to blackopsmonthly then you need to FOCUS in closer. (Blackopsmonthly is taylor more advanced stuff)

I can aslo say focus in a little closer to the underground course cause if you look hard enough you might find a few nuggets here and there for the people who have been working at hypnosis for years.

Those few nuggets could make a BIG diference.

One thing I can say is if you precive taylor as the devil or a scam while
listening to his stuff you probably are not going to get out as much nuggets
as a person who is open minded and really pays attention to him.

Mystery

[Stoic]

"One thing I can say is if you precive taylor as the devil or a scam while
listening to his stuff you probably are not going to get out as much nuggets
as a person who is open minded and really pays attention to him."

That's an argument that anyone can make about any topic. And a holder of quality/quantity nuggets would understand that the judgment to further look into something is influenced by our prior beliefs of that topic. So, a holder of nuggets would offer small hints of nuggets appropriate to change the "prior belief" into a more nugget hungry one.

I personally don't feel that you have done so. A general argument can be useful, a specific argument can be much more useful.


So, of what nature are these nuggets? What form of outcomes can one expect from these nuggets and how does one know the validity of these nuggets and their outcomes other than blind faith?

[Poodle]

I just checked in too. You are very correct as usual! But...wait a minute, what do I see in that rosey gloom? Never mind - just as I expected. :p

[Don]

I don't mind staying a while to chit chat but as soon as this turns into an interrogation I have to go.

Curious.

I know lots of people in many different fields of study. Ask them what they learned and who they studied with and how teachers differ, etc., etc., and they are more than happy to share the information.

Here, in California, if you are a hypnotherapist you are required to provide this information to clients.

The only time I hear people saying "I can't tell you" or "What is this, an inquisition?" when simply asked about what they have learned is either when they have nothing to share and want to hide it from you, or if they're doing something illegal and don't want people to know (such as a current trial going on in Federal courts.

Oh, there is one other time when this happens: when cults teach people little but tell them repeatedly of its great importance. I remember one such cult (now re-formed into a new organization) where if you questioned in any way they would simply respond, "you don't get IT," without ever telling you what "IT" is.

[Terry (existing)]

Seems to me that a lot of people have been digging at this mine, and so far no nuggets at all. As one who already has a gold mine, I think I will pass on this before I get too pissed off at obfuscations and avoidance, instead of information. If you had anything to share, you would have done so long ago, I smell a con. Goodbye....

[mystery]

YOU WANT NUGGETS WELL HERE IS A HINT....


From Skip.
"If mystery wants its posts to remain, then mystery
will respond to Don's Questions, and a few more.
Otherwise I will ASSUME, correctly or not, that this
is just more spam."


I did not follow what was requested. My intent was to keep
my posts up without following orders like a lapdog and with
using hidden blackops advanced techniques my posts are still
up.



The reason I say blackops is unique is cause it is something
different than covert hyposis, nlp, but it has some of its
elements.


You would never be able to develope these skills on your own
unless someone teached you the advanced stuff from
blackopsmonthly...



Yes blackops seems like it is viewed as being with the voodoo,
magic, but in the days of witch hunting I bet the hypnosis you
study would be viewed as witchcraft due to ignorance.


Yes I can't show you what true advanced blackops is because taylor
wants people to pay for these skills and he want these skills to
continue to exist as very rare.


Find anyone who has these advanced blackopsmonthly skills
and they would have a deathgrip on it because it is true POWER
at its finest.


I am sorry it has been fun but my hands are tied because I am
too busy trying to further develope my skills in blackops advance
and it is very time-consuming so I am going to have to let my place
in this forum R.I.P.



The reason I say you should focus a little closer into the u-course is
because there are some nuggets in there even for the very skilled at
hypnosis.


The advanced stuff is probably too much to learn in just a few sittings..
infact I believe it would take a few life times to learn all of the ways
to use blackops advanced.


Taylor just markets and teaches these skills he did not develope them
so to judge blackops just by his advertisment would be like looking
at a cover of a book and saying you already know what the quality
of the content is and how the story ends.


The stuff in the blackops underground course does seem to be
<yawn> but they work. TEST DRIVE THEM if you will.


P.S.
If you feel that my posts are still silly feel free to
delete them.




Mystery

[Jack]

Why were my posts to Mystery deleted?

Jack

[skip]

Miss Tree,

A lot of verbage, nothing of substance.

Lets face it. Mr Taylor came here and spammed us. He, in so doing, stole something valuable from the James'. He stole advertising space here. Mr Taylor is a thief.

And after all this conversation about him, he doesnt have the courage to defend his actions, or his 'work' in person, or even try and pretend he didnt know he was stealing, and apologise. And we both know he has checked back, dont we?

Instead he "encourages" inept sick-o-phants like you and bear[cat] to come here offering lame endorsements and defenses. Strange that his only two students show up just after he stole the advertising space, isnt it? Assuming you two arent Mr Taylor himself, oh so cleverly using "Black Ops" super fantastic covert techniques.

Yes the posts are still here.

If you, or Mr Taylor had any sense, you would be using your 'Oh So Clever' techniques to have this 'evidence' of his cowardice and thievery removed. His offense is actionable, or didnt you know. We are evaluating a software upgrade to stop spam now. I wonder how Mr Taylor will feel knowing that the compensatory and punitive damages he may pay, are going to pay for the upgrade?

I like to think that would be poetic justice.

You didnt respond to any questions. You are correct, you arent my lap dog, you are just dancing to my tune.

But you did come back and try and justify Mr Taylor. So whose lap dog do your actions make you?

Im done with you,

skip

[Mentalius]

I guess that most of us teaches something along the lines of:" Whatever you focus on expands.". How can a thread about nothing of value!? seem to occupy so many people, who has the skills to do some good?

Let it go, and give some attention to something more interesting, rather than who has the most testosterone.

[needhelpnow]

its now 2008 may,
have anyone of you tried underground?

i have seen their site and gone thru it.

and as i am form india and i have read a lot and that means alot on hypnosis.

From india I mean there are many saints here who far from perfect in hypnosis ( it is believed) and i have read some books of such things.

which is basically covered under yoga, meditation, tratak practices.

andi have also read books of foriegn authors and physchologists and hypnotists.

and what i found that every one differ in real power of hypnosis , and style fo doing lerning it and etc.. but one thing is same that it is not an overnight thing. it needs practice, and not only practice it needs real mind set for this. even with practice under a trained practioner one cannot become master in hypnosis. then how one can learn from books?

well if i would have been form one those seller then would have been posted in this forum as a student and praise.

i have tried to practice hyponis on my own but other priorities does not allow me to continue it for long and then everyitme i dont remember t practice it.

yes i have one experince of being hypnotized(that what i believe)
and thats what have brought me here.

i was sales guy in one of digital camera showroom(a year back). and was handling everything there as i was not easy to fool or cheat and used take care of finances and stock.

my observation concentration was perfect( that what i used to believe).
one day a guy came saw a camera and told he liked he want to buy and he paid half the price and said you have ur full money with you and i said yes.

he took the invoice and confirmed again everything is completed?

and i said yes. but his second conformation created doubt in me and after he wen i checked his money and it was slightly less than half.

i immediately went out to look for him but he was gone. i knew i have been cheated and i had to pay that money from my salary and lost my job after couple of months.

after this i heard many more suchstroies.

but my confidence and memory and observation all got destroyed after that.

after few days i saw that guy again and steped forward to catch him but immediately he saw me and a fear came within me and i ignored him may be i am wrong he is not the guy.

it cna be my carelesness or something.

but now i am goin thru some more problems in my life and this memory has brought me to explore what they did i want to learn it to help myself
it's again aquestion to all the learned ones here is it possible what happened with me?? and how can i learn all these without getting robbed of my little money.

i checked up with underground hypnosis guys.
but somethign within me didnt allowed me to spend my money there.
since it need more marketing to sell this product. and words always cheat others. i am sales guy and it becomes my habbit to test these marketing gimmicks.
no offence to anyone.

[Don]

It sounds to me like you were taken advantage of by what is called a "short change artist." It's closer to the tricks of a conjuror than the techniques of a hypnotist.

A hypnotist, with your permission, will work with you to imprint information into your unconscious mind.

A conjuror, without you knowing it, with have you focus on one thing while doing something else. In the magical trade this is called "misdirection."

If you are a sales person who want to succeed, I suggest you might find guidance in the book Instant Rapport by Brooks.

Since you're in India, chances are good that instead of saying "goodby," as we do here in the U.S., you say "namaste." While there is no exact translation for that word into English, the definition of that word I like to use is "That which is of the gods in me recognizes and honors that which is of the gods in you.

Is it possible that you have forgotten the "that which is of the gods in me" part of the meaning of this term?

There is no need to use words to cheat others if the product is good. What do you like about the product? If you show to others how much you like it, your emotions will become contagious and they will like it, too, leading to sales.

[Poodle]

That is "my" definition of namaste too.

Now, to poster's question regarding Underground. A number of years ago I subscribed to it as Taylor was just starting up and it is quite cheap. It was pure and outright JUNK! Even the history of hypnosis was a joke as he had Dr. Esdaile removing warts without anesthesia. How wrong can one be????

I know there are ethical teachers of hypnosis in India as we had one in that class we did together. He was an extremely nice and talented man. As India is a large country with a large population I highly suspect there are numerous instructors that are verifiable and do teach in person.

Be well,
Pood

[needhelpnow]

thanks for your guidance,
well for now i need help for personal life and relationship rather than my career.

there may be trainers in India.
but i am not aware of them.


I was once met a person who claimed to be hypnotist but i was charged and no outcome.
but his questions were more to know me and my work while i was looking for a relationship help.

this i know in hypnosis i can find solution for my problems.
i have lost my confidence and heard alot of negative statements even from myself. 1 bad expreince is enough for me to alter my life.

but now i need to change myself for my family, for my kids just need you help and guidance if something.

I am so much changed now that at times i find everything is wrong with me and i want to correct this attitude.

I tried positive affirmation i get good result one day then negative results are doubled other day.

some or the other reason i then not able to continue because circumstances change thigns in such a way that priority changes.

i have come here to seek your guidance and help so that i cna overcome all negative situations around me and negative emotions within me.

one good saying my mother has always said to me.
jaisey soch prabhu wasia hee ful dey.
meaning :what you think god will give you that.

and now i want to change my thinking. which i am not able to.

thanks and kind regards to all of you.

[Don]

Well, of course, asking about trainers in India is rather broad as India is a huge country (and the world's largest democracy). What area of India are you in? Then, perhaps someone will know a trainer.

And you are correct. As long as you think you are not able to change your thinking, you will not be able to do so.

[Poodle]

and I found two in India and one of them also works in England, Jordan and the other one I really could not say as I don't know the language as it was not in English.

Pood :)

[needhelpnow]

I live in jharkhand

and travel a bit too.

otherwise can you masters suggest me some learning pattern too.

so without wasting my time i should continue with it.

otherwise India is a country where people dont go to hypnotist
so I guess there wont be any good out here.

thanks once again

[blackbeast]

Hey all it took me a few years to realize you were right this course is utter garbage. And I wanted to say I shouldn't of said some nasty things to you guys. I researched richard bandler and all the hypno experts and realised that
this course is good if you want to push allot of good people away in your life. All I can say is that as soon as I smarted up and dropped these stupid blackops tactics my life got better.

So when it all comes down to it you guys were right this course is a scam and also a trap for anyone who studies it.:daze:

[Don]

In NLP there is a saying: There is no failure, only feedback. Now that you've had certain experiences, trainings, and discovered understandings, I hope you will consider getting some standard training and perhaps even going into practice as a hypnotherapist or NLP practitioner. I know there are many people here who will be more than willing to give you encouragement and, if you want it, direction and advice.

Good luck on whatever path you take.

[Poodle]

An old saying comes to mind: "Better late than never." I sure do miss some of the people that used to post here.....sigh!!

After the "course" I got from Taylor, I didn't find anything that would make one lose friends, etc. unless one thought one had knowledge and was speaking to someone who knows about hypnosis and NLP.

I found that Taylor "lifted" numerous metamuffins from a very well known hypnotist but he never claimed to have created them -- just the illusion.


pood

[blackbeast]

What I mean by pushing people out of your life is that using tactics to break people down then build them back up only works on very few insecure people only for a while the eventually they will come to resent you.People don't want to be broken down and built back up I know from experience. It all comes down to...

who would you rather hang out with?
(What taylor Teaches in blackops Monthly)
a guy who always is trying so hard to control all situations and makes people around him feel dumb and is insecure..

(What I found for myself)
or someone is just fun, makes you feel cool, doesn't care what other people think

Also I did notice how taylor stole some techniques from some other courses..

I got to agree Taylor is garbage.. Take it from a guy who wasted his
time in this course.