Fads and Fetishes

[Nemesis Rogue]

Can NLP/hypno be used for fads and fetishes?

For example, a friend of mine has admitted he has a fetish for cross dressing. In his case, it's purely sexual and it comes around every so often.

Thx

[Merlin]

Yes, NLP/hypno can be used for fads and fetishes effectively.

[Nemesis Rogue]

I am totally at a loss as to how you'd approach sexual kinks with hypno/NLP. Any ideas in terms of interventions?

[Merlin]

>I am totally at a loss as to how you'd approach sexual kinks with hypno/NLP. Any ideas in terms of interventions?

The same as any other intervention

[Nemesis Rogue]

Well could you possibly share this by giving me a full answer? It should be obvious from my posts that this is an issue where the solution isn't apparent to me.

Is it submodality change work?
If I Meta and get to the deep structure, then what?

Not everybody knows everything. I've got my MP and I'm enjoying it but I am still relatively new and coming across new concepts and issues all the time. This is one of them. And I will always try and help if I have information that would be useful.

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What makes you sure an intervention is necessary?

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[Merlin]

Just a word, Skp.

[Merlin]

Well could you possibly share this by giving me a full answer?

[tool] Submodality changes
[tool] Swish
[tool] reframe
[tool] Hypnosis
[tool] Regression to cause
[tool] Pattern interrupt
[tool] Timeline therapy
and so on...
What [tool] do you like?

[Don]

NR, it sounds to me from your question that you are focusing on the model (if a person complains of X, do Y) rather than focusing on the individual (talk so specific person X and see what they want to change, help them establish a viable, ecological alternative, then use techniques you know to install the alternative.

I don't think your first question should be to us. Rather, it should be to the client: where are they now? What do they want to change? What new behavior do they want to replace the current behavior. When you have those answer, the rest should become obvious.

[moser]

Hi

I found this thread googling for a related topic.

I am sorry to say that I believe the responses here are misleading.
research in this field indicated that there is no cure/treatment to fetishes which are a type of paraphilia.
the only thing that CAN be done is to reduce the sexual desire and as such the sexual activity (all sexual activity - not only the one that the person wishes to de-imprint/get rid of) of a person with a paraphilia.
in no way will this person be able to function sexually as if he does not have the paraphilia.

conclusions as these are by the American Academy of Clinical Sexologists.
I advice you to check them out for yourselves.

if anyone here has ever successfully treated a fetish or any kind of paraphilia with hypnotherapy please state so - I believe no one of you had.

here are related aricles and links:
http://www.forensicpsychiatry.ca/paraphilia/overview.htm#treatment

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.jsp?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/sexual_perversions.jsp

you can find more information in various Psychotherapy Journal like in "Psychotherapy in Private Practice Volume: 16 Issue: 4" and others.

[Terry (existing)]

OK, so your conclusion is that nothing can be done to change a person so inflicted. I have no problem with you choosing to so believe, but I am curious as to why you are still searching if this is the conclusion you have come to? As for your question regarding practitioners who have succeeded, how would you compare such a statement against the scientific statements you have read to date? In other words, why should any of us waste our time telling you what you have decided not to believe? I for one have no such inclination.
I support your right to believe as you choose. I also find your aproach to initiating a conversation to be annoying since it suggests some of my friends are lying.:(

[Don]

Hi, moser.

As much as we are new to you, you are new to us.

Unfortunately, it seems that you have made some assumptions that are not in any way based on the posts anyone here has made. Specifically:
1) The original poster used a term, "fetish," in a very generalized and unspecific way based on a statement by another. As a result, we have absolutely no way of knowing if it was used in a scientifically accurate way. If you visit many websites you will have experienced (endured?), no doubt, the inexact use of scientific terms. So claiming that the use of the term "fetish" by a friend of the original poster indicates that the original friend is a paraphiliac is a broad jump that cannot be made without an in-depth, in-personal discussion and clinical investigation.

Some people say they have "phobias" over a spider or a dentist, but in actuality they are barely neurotic, not phobics. However, a good communicator speaks to a person rather than over him or her. That's all people here are doing.

2) Nobody here at any time has stated that hypnotherapy or NLP can provide any sort of "cure" to fetishes. What would such a cure be?

3) Nobody here at any time has stated that hypnotherapy or NLP can "treat" a fetish. I don't even know what that means. Treat it to dinner?

I do not think anyone here is a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist. Nobody here does any form of psychology or psychiatry. We do not diagnose. Nor do we prescribe pharmaceutical drugs. We are not part of that industry.

What we can do is help people who want to change behaviors. For example, if someone bites their nails and wants to stop, a hypnotherapist or NLP practitioner can help them do that in one session. How long would it take a psychologist or psychiatrist to do the same according to the DSM IV?

[Connie]

Hi, moser....you are new to us.

I don't believe so. Moser's style of writing and misspellings (and attitude) indicate to me that he/she has posted here before. It's ringing familiarity bells in my head. One I don't choose to answer.

[Poodle]

We do have a licensed psychologist here that posts regularly. I don't think psychology is much of an assue as this person has better tools to use than "talk therapy".

I've had a shoe fetish for years...like maybe 50 years but I'm not in the same league with E. Marcos. I can't say that it has had an effect on my life one way or another. One may treat my shoes to dinner, but I'm coming along to eat the food.

Better than that, how long would it take them to get a person with MPD whole again? We can do it in a couple of sessions. Don't know if you remember the psychologist at C.I. training? His only purpose there was to try to learn how to help a client with MPD. We sat down one evening and I explained it to him. He was shocked that it was soooo easy. Guess he got what he came for but it wasn't in the training.

[Don]

Pood, this is exactly what I mean. Your use of the term "fetish" is a popular one, but it is not scientifically accurate. In science, a fetish is an object that is worshiped. In psychology, a fetish is a form of misplaced sexual desire--that is, a person could have a fetish for feet, for shoes, for strings, etc. You like shoes and collect them, but I don't think you worship or desire sex with them.

There is another use of the word where it describes a person who has an excessive and irrational commitment to something. To a person who can only afford one pair of shoes, your collection may be "excessive and irrational," but as long as it does not prevent you from participation in regular activities it is not a problem, nor does it require any action.

So in popular terms, you have a fetish for shoes, but in its correct scientific forms, it would not be an accurate definition. You like and collect shoes, but you do not have a fetish.

Thanks for the correction on the psychologist. Excluding him, my previous statements stand. My point was that Moser did not correctly read the posts and made false assumptions based upon their misreading. As a result, the conclusions in Moser's post are irrelevant to what we do.

[Merlin]

Actually Don,
There is/are Psychologists/psychiatrists who post here.
They just don't emphasise the degrees :)

[Docresults]

Hi

I found this thread googling for a related topic.

I am sorry to say that I believe the responses here are misleading.


Even though that's a very misleading thing to write, you know a belief will do that to you (lead you to miss something and feel sorry and even speak from a position of sorry missing.) BUT there is hope... since a belief is only a thought that's repeated often enough for one to think it is more than what it is... just a thought.

And here is another thought that is called the 1st Forgotten Fundamental of Life...

"The individual is the Meaning Maker (Creator) of their experience."

You do not have to believe anything, BUT whatever you do believe WILL BECOME your perceived and felt reality.

So I suggest that the American Academy of Clinical Sexologists will use beliefs that create statics that keep themselves relevant as will hypnotist or hookers or politicians, it is perceptual reality. The question is does it hinder or limit or does it help get the results one wants. That for me is a useful way to determine if I want to accept someone else's repeated thought.

(Here is another thought, as soon as one thought get to the energy level of a belief it is no longer true as it limits possibilities and for a belief to be true one would have to be able to believe everything so as to pick the most useful belief for the moment. Just a thought, don't... make it true. Simply use it where... it works.)

As my Grampa Vetter would say, "Anything can be justified or logical or realistic, it simply depends on what you base the justice or logic or reality." Because it all comes down to the meaning the individual places on things.

I'll say it again as it seems to be appropriate for a lot of the issues that come up lately. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about anything. All that matters is what you think about it.

To Your Best,
Doc


"I believe... if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his butt every time he jumps." My Grampa Vetter

[Nemesis Rogue]

Buried in my MP material was this intervention.
Fantastic!

[Myssteriouss01]

Even though that's a very misleading thing to write, you know a belief will do that to you (lead you to miss something and feel sorry and even speak from a position of sorry missing.) BUT there is hope... since a belief is only a thought that's repeated often enough for one to think it is more than what it is... just a thought.

And here is another thought that is called the 1st Forgotten Fundamental of Life...

"The individual is the Meaning Maker (Creator) of their experience."

I completely agree with this. Although I respect psychologists, etc. for their knowledge and contributions to society, I do not necessarily believe that they are needed for a matter such as this...provided that one knows how to manifest his own reality of course.

I, myself, am a convinced believe in the utter power and effectiveness of self-hypnosis. Whatever bad quality (including a fetish) you want to rid yourself of can definately be eliminated with self-hypnosis. In my opinion and experience, this is the fastest method to reprogram our own subcounsious mind and become the person we want to be.

Try learning the simple techniques of self-hypnosis and give yourself powerful and emotionally charged affirmations to repeat to yourself. You could even reprogram yourself to feel physically sick even at the slightest thought of your current fetish or negative desires...It only takes one or two 15 minute self-hypnosis sessions per day to correct a problem like this. I would imagine if you do it right, you could eliminate your fetish in as little as six weeks.

We are what we think we believe we are. And, the subconsious mind rules over all our actions. Reprogram the subconsious to do WHATEVER you want it to do....

[Indigotrance]

Perhaps your friend enjoys his cross dressing fetish.. You omitted to state that it was a problem and there is no inherent assumption in fetish and or fad of a 'problem'.

If its not a 'problem' for your friend, use ecology and respect his model of the world. Let him wear frilly knickers and womens clothes. Perhaps it suites him and an expression of who he is. Then No change work is necessary.

If its a 'problem' for him, then take a detailed personal history and design your intervention work on that. I would add Quantum Linguistics to your intervention work to blow the problem.

Annie

umm.. no pun intended. that is just what 'problems' do