Getting rid of negative internal dialouge?

[master_debator]

I'm looking for a couple of possible ways to get rid of negative internal dialouge. I've recently quit smoking using 6-step reframing and the swish pattern in tandem.

1) Would be possible to use reframing on a negative internal voice?

2) What all techniques/methods can be utilitized for getting rid of a negative internal voice?

[skip]

I would use submodality shifts.

For example make that negative voice sound like elmer fudd. It is difficult to take elmer seriously.

Then do an auditory swish.

Make a statement that you would like instead. And use a really sexy or an authoratative voice that you respond positively to.

While associated in the desired context, fade elmer out while you bring the other up.

If you cant follow that, then get competent help in doing it.

skip

[master_debator]

I would use submodality shifts.

For example make that negative voice sound like elmer fudd. It is difficult to take elmer seriously.

Then do an auditory swish.

Make a statement that you would like instead. And use a really sexy or an authoratative voice that you respond positively to.

While associated in the desired context, fade elmer out while you bring the other up.

If you cant follow that, then get competent help in doing it.

skip

Doing a swish in my visual channel has always been much easier than auditory. Would I need to do the swish for every crappy statement? I've got quite a few negative statements that I respond to...such as "I can't do it..."..."I'm stupid..."...etc... I was trying to find a way to get rid of the negative voice in one shabang.

I'm still not sure how to do an auditory swish. About the desired context, I don't want the negative voice in any context.

What I orgininally thought of doing is writing up a well defined outcome on "getting rid of my negative internal voice". Then I was going to run through a simple process to weaken the belief associated with my negative int voice. Then a reframe...then a swish...

For now, I'll just finish my wdo, and focus on the swish...

[tdiamond]

How about time empowerment techniques for limiting decisions?

[skip]

Im sorry it is too hard for you.

Stay ****ed up.

cheers,

skip

[master_debator]

How about time empowerment techniques for limiting decisions?

Whats time emp. techniques?

[master_debator]

Im sorry it is too hard for you.

Stay ****ed up.

cheers,

skip

Why the @@@@ would you say something like this. I'm simply looking for some help.

[tdiamond]

you are frisky today there skip...

[tdiamond]

These guys do this in their sleep and I guess that means that sometimes they say things to get a reaction..

Besides being stunned, what other reaction did you have?

[tdiamond]

These are techniques using your personal time line to change negative emotions and limiting decisions. Very cool stuff and content free..

Now I bet that did not help at all huh?

I am sure there are archives on this site under the time empowerment or time line therapy that would make this much more clear.

We are our biggest obstacles and that's what skip was pointing out.. you said it was hard too use auditory.. is it harder to live with the limits you impose?

[tyku]

Yes, you can use six step reframing to change this pattern.

[Jimr1]

Doing a swish in my visual channel has always been much easier than auditory. Would I need to do the swish for every crappy statement? I've got quite a few negative statements that I respond to...such as "I can't do it..."..."I'm stupid..."...etc... I was trying to find a way to get rid of the negative voice in one shabang.

I'm still not sure how to do an auditory swish. About the desired context, I don't want the negative voice in any context.

What I orgininally thought of doing is writing up a well defined outcome on "getting rid of my negative internal voice". Then I was going to run through a simple process to weaken the belief associated with my negative int voice. Then a reframe...then a swish...

For now, I'll just finish my wdo, and focus on the swish...

Master debator

Skip gave you some first class advice for working in your auditory channel becuase that's where you are experiencing the problem. His suggestion is a strategy to run your auditory channel rather than it running you. and now you say you don't want to test it becuase "visual channel has always been much easier than auditory". does it have to be easy??? and if it works does it matter if it takes 2,3,4,or even 5 "shabangs"?

your own solution takes more steps, isn't necessary, and probably ineffective

you remind me of the patient who won't take a prescription becuase he doesn't like the color of the pills.

Jim

[Poodle]

You can do as Skip wrote. A may even be easier than V. Maybe you don't want Elmer Fudd -- just blow it out, raise the sound so high that it just blows out. You have a choice of a lot of funny cartoon characters. Or, you could follow a little of Bandler's advice on negative self-talk "Shut the F*** UP in there." Pood What's up doc?

[skip]

"Why the @@@@ would you say something like this. I'm simply looking for some help."

No you arent, you ARE arguing for keeping your limitations.

All I did was agree with you, and encourage your behavior.

cheers,

skip

[Connie]

Skip is an agreeable guy! :D

[Soren K (existing)]

Why the @@@@ would you say something like this. I'm simply looking for some help.
You've been well sussed, and much more than has been admitted... no question. I don't think that's the first time I've heard the master speak this way. <muahahaha> :p

[tdiamond]

Ah master debator... a name like that in a forum like this was bound to get you some action... :)

what do you think would work for you,your case, with your particulars?

i still think time empowerment techniques...

[Poodle]

You have been on my mind as it's been some time since you were here. Skip stated it perfectly. If you are bound and determined to have self-help which can mess you up MUCH MORE, I believe you will find a number of CD's, etc. for sale on this Forum and at nlpcoaching.com You seem to want things that just don't exist like scripts for rapport. Just be like Bandler and say outloud or to yourself: Shut the f up in there. It's amazing how quiet it can become. As to your other thoughts, they are just beliefs and it's wonderful to change a negative or limiting old belief into a powerful new one. This you will get in training. Just wait! No, you do not need TLT for this. A little NLP will work wonders. Hugs and best wishes bud, Pood

[master_debator]

You can do as Skip wrote. A may even be easier than V. Maybe you don't want Elmer Fudd -- just blow it out, raise the sound so high that it just blows out. You have a choice of a lot of funny cartoon characters. Or, you could follow a little of Bandler's advice on negative self-talk "Shut the F*** UP in there." Pood What's up doc?

I'd have to think of some funny characters to use...or even a movie character that just screams 'debonaire' (james bond) or 'an ass kicker' (any ass kicker).

About doing the auditory swish. I'm still confused on how to actually do it. I know with the visual swish (at least for me), you don't actually go all the way through with the behavior, you just use a que picture before the behavior. So with the auditory swish, can I start by listening to the negative voice, and then swish over to the positive voice. Also, does position have anything to do with it?

[Poodle]

How about I just come on over and kick your a@@ for you? Will that work? You are more than just visual. You have ears and I bet you hear really well with them, huh? Otherwise, how did that stuff get in your head. We are not just V, K, A, G or O. We change states faster than a dog can trot. Without real live training it is difficult. It's like trying to tell you how a banana tastes. Skip and Jim gave you perfect advice but without training it doesn't get it for you, does it?

[skip]

MB,

Try fading one out, while bringing the volume up on the other ...

Irregardless, change the undesirable one to something that you simply cannot take seriously, before you fade it out.

Use someone who, for you, is an authoratative voice, for the desirable comments.

And yes, in order to make this work every time, you would need some 'finer' points that I simply am not going to spend the time and effort to try and teach you here.

But this ought to help enough to get you by, if not elegance.

Last night a friend and I were discussing various forms of change work over dinner. He is an Avatar Master (or whatever their highest level is). I have taught him EFT, and he loves it. And he was describing how he could do anything I could do in NLP, with those two modalities.

BUT he was having a problem; He felt he needed to take more time for himself, but he couldnt seem to effect a behavioral change to accomplish it. And he was describing how he was attempting this, using Avatar.

I interrupted and asked, "What is first, second etc on your list of criteria about how you spend your time, and where does taking time for yourself fall?" Thereby eliciting his criteria list, and seeing how he accesses and stores it neurologically. I 'saw' that 'taking time for himself was low on the list. So I moved it up. I then elicited it again, and sure enough 'taking time for himself' was higher on the list, thereby giving it a higher priority in his life.

Then I wanted to be sure that he had this as an 'adjustable' response, rather than a 'fixed' position, because it SHOULD be somewhat context dependant, not hard and fast.

So I elicited his values, and noticed that he had some conflicts in the top four. So I installed as the top value, "physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health." I did this so that he could balance various needs as they arose in context, and have behavioral flexability, while still maintaining his criteria as he wanted it.

And of course future paced, and cross contextualized it.

Then I tested it in various contexts to see if he had a range of respones that he liked.

Took about 5 minutes, of what was to him apparently 'just' dinner conversation.

Then I sat back feeling sort of smug.

He wanted to know how I would go about doing it in NLP.

I asked, "You mean you would like for me to demonstrate it again?"

He said, "You couldnt have done it that fast, and without me knowing it. In Avatar it would take several hours, and you didnt do anything. We have just been discussing it, not working on it."

So I responded, "Why dont you take a little time and see if you are handling this time for yourself business more to your liking. If not, Ill be happy to set aside some time to help you with it.

Just discussing it, is never just discussing it.

Now you GOT what you ASKED FOR. It is far from what what IS NEEDED, to do this well.

cheers,

skip

[Connie]

Took about 5 minutes, of what was to him apparently 'just' dinner conversation.

Magic! :D :)

That's what my teacher did for me, NLP'd me out of my spider phobia while teaching the class without me knowing he was doing so.

[Poodle]

You have NOT mastered the Swish Pattern yet, so forget about the 6 step reframe which takes more skill.

[Jimr1]

re:"He said, "You couldnt have done it that fast, and without me knowing it. In Avatar it would take several hours, and you didnt do anything. We have just been discussing it, not working on it."


you mean......they don't teach a person in Avatar how to be....... covert???:)

guess the friend will never know unless he really gets curious and Skip decides to "train" him.

maybe Skip should coNVERT him to NLP:)

JIM

[Poodle]

Kudos on the grades. I'm really proud of your SC mind! Hugs, Pood