Hard to acces feeling

[Daniel]

I've been experimenting quite a bit with submodalities. And it seems like my results are getting better and better. The weird thing though, is that it only works sometimes. It's only sometimes i can change my state to joy, I especially find it hard to, when I'm in a very neutral or angry mood.

I also do admit that I can decrease my eagerness of choclate as and example, by moving my picture. But seconds after when I think of it again, the picture has moved back. And I still feel I wont it.

I also find it hard to acces special kind of feelings, I mostly get joy. I would like to acces adrenalin for example, but even though i think of some situation were I had adrenalin and make the pictures brigter and larger I find it hard to get just a little of the feeling.

Any help would be appreciate

Daniel

[Mentalius]

First, when you "shift" an emotion, start with a patternbreak; notice your feelingstate, and do something weird - jump up and down, do a few deep breathings, an intellectual assignment - whatever gets you to experience something else than your initial state.

Second, to make your pictures "stick" you could anchor it, or futurepace it. Imagine yourself vividly with a new attitude towards chocolate, in all senses, different surroundings etc.

Third, in order to have a change lock into place, be sure that whatever secondary gain is fully satisfied with your change, Otherwise you might have an internal saboteur on the loose.

[Poodle]

Have you had training in NLP? It really doesn't read like you have. There is more to submodalities than just "trying" to get that feeling. If you have studied NLP officially, you should know and it would have been on the first day of your training I would suspect. Self-help without proper in person training is very uneffective. Doubt I would ever use submodalities for chocolate as dark chocolate is good for you. To get to submodalities, one has to start at the beginning.

As this is not a teaching Forum, I am not going to tell you but I think you can probably remember.

I stand corrected. We are now a teaching Forum?????

[Daniel]

Ups i noticed i placed the post in the wrong forum. Well I know it's not a teaching forum, but thougt you might share a little help though. I am going to attend to a NLP practioner course, but I'm still to young, so thought I might get some help by now!

[Poodle]

When you attend your course, it will all make perfect sense to you. It will probably happen on day one and you'll go: "Ohhhh, is that all I needed". Just go and enjoy! You will learn a lot and it's a heck of a lot of FUN! ;)

[Merlin]

Submodalites can work, but it's not always the easiest way.
Have you tried anchoring the desired state?

[Poodle]

As you will note, it was pointed out above. It was ignored which leads me to believe "we don't know how yet".

[tyku]

Have you made any effort at changing any submodalities other than location, size, and brightness?

[TaffyE]

Daniel,

You need to find the submodality that is the "driver" to give the change that you want. And it may be different for each change. It's the one that makes the difference

[Daniel]

> Have you made any effort at changing any submodalities other than location, size, and brightness?

Well i did use a list which includes alot of submodalities.

>You need to find the submodality that is the "driver" to give the change that you want. And it may be different for each change. It's the one that makes the difference

Well you are probably right, but it seems like I have difficulties finding it.

I also have another question. How can location for the image mean both: intensity of feeling and also show something about how we store time (refering to timelines). It's like theres to much variables in the equation??????????????

[Nigel H]

Hia

this reads to me that it is you doing all this on yourself - Is that so ....?

One of the difficulties in that is that with SMD's - speed of the elicitaion is very important to bypass the conscious thought faculty/process and if you are doing this to yourself, then the elicitation may be somewhat flawed and hence why the results are not consistent or lasting.

It may also be that you have some secondary gain in maintaining the behaviour that you are trying to change and hence it either will not work or will again be limited in it's lasting effect. You need to ensure you check that it is OK with your Unconscious to make the change before using such an intervention and if not then chunk up and reframe until it is acceptable - again though this is best done by another.

I hope this helps

Nig

[Daniel]

Yeah, I'm doing it alone. But I do it fast! I can't even make the kinestethic submodalities work - I mean, I can't change them.