Do you agree with this? Very scary mistake...

[kip]

I set myself a goal, a very strong goal using NLP. I program that goal into my subconscious and at that moment I was like this is my last chance, if this fails just let me die...

I timed the goal 4 days ahead and once that day came I failed to achieve my goal. It was just some very bad luck that kept me from achieving it. 5 minutes after I consciously realized I had failed, my body just start feeling bad, I get a fever out of nowhere and I should be in bed at the moment. My head hurts and I'm shaking all over. I got no idea why I'm in so bad situation now. Nothing I had done should cause me fever etc. I didn't have normal symptoms like throat hurting or nose full of snivel.

Can it be that my subconscious tried to kill me? After all, that's what I asked it to do... I try to get into trance, which is very hard when your head hurts so bad. I think I canceled my "orders" or what ever, but I'm feeling a lot better now.

3 hour fever isn't normal at all.

Any expert agree with me?

[Simple Guy]

1. See a physician for a medical evaluation.

2. Obtain counseling to deal with the desperation you expressed in
your first paragraph.

3. Cease and desist from further attempts at "self-help," unless
advised to appropriately do so by a qualified mental health professional.

4. Good luck.

[Connie]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Yikes! What a scary story. I believe you. I just wonder why you would do such a thing in the first place...tell yourself "do or die." ?? Seems kind of harsh. I'm assuming your goal didn't involved combat or a battlefield.

By the way, it wasn't your "last chance." Chances are infinite.

[Don]

Hi, Kip.

Glad you didn't die or you couldn't have posted here! I hope you will post more in the future.

My guess, Kip, is that you have never taken any training in NLP, but you may have read a couple of books, seen a video or two, or read some websites. The reason I guess this is because your statements make it clear that you really don't understand the basic concepts of NLP. As Connie pointed out, "chances are infinite." You would have learned about the infinite possibilities if you had been trained.

However, let's look at your basic concept. Actually, you really haven't given us enough information to be thorough. You said you programmed yourself with a "strong" goal. Become ruler of the world? End world hunger? Lose 50 pounds? You can program yourself all you like, but it has to be realistic. One way of judging that is that if someone else could do it, you could do it. If you know of nobody who has achieved a goal like you wanted in four days, you had nothing to model yourself after. That would be like saying you want to play guitar like Eric Clapton in four days but never watch him play and never even get a guitar. NLP may appear to work like magic, but it's not magic per se.

More importantly, however, is your agreement with your unconscious: give me X or let me die. You see--and you would have learned this if you trained in hypnosis or NLP--the unconscious always works for the health and well being of the body. You tried to make an agreement with your unconscious and your unconscious,ecologically, replied that it wasn't going to play that game!

So no, your unconscious was not trying to kill you. It was doing what was it's prime directive: preserve your health and well-being. Without having more data on your fever, I have no way of knowing what caused it.

Kip, your interest in NLP is laudable, but it far exceeds your current level of understanding. I would urge you to consider taking an in-person training to you won't try to make any agreements with your unconscious that your unconscious won't accept.

Finally, we each are either the cause of everything that happens in our live or are battered around as the "effect" of things going on around us that we feel we cannot control. NLP helps practitioners recognize being "at cause" instead of suffering being "at effect." Your statement that "bad luck" prevented you from achieving your goal indicates that you are "at effect" and controlled by outside sources. Again, this is an indication that you do not understand or accept NLP concepts.

Just think of how great it could be when you really do control your life! Think of how great it could be when you are not battered by "bad luck" or other excuses for failure. You can learn how to be "at Cause" when you are trained in NLP.

One last thing. Imagine you play piano. You learn a piece by practicing it over and over. But if you make a mistake in your interpretation of the piece and practice it that way,you will learn it wrong and play it incorrectly. Practice does not make perfect, only perfect practice makes perfect. By the same token, if you keep failing at one thing, that feeling of failure can extend to other areas in your life. Failure breeds failure. Success breeds success.

What you did was attempt to apply some NLP principles you learned, but your lack of training prevented you from applying NLP principles properly. If you keep repeating attempts to use NLP incorrectly, the repeated failures will make failure a constant in your life. Don't do it! Learn NLP completely or don't use part of it without thoroughly understanding that part.

A surgeon who only knew how to cut people open but not how to close the opening would not be very successful!

[Kip]

Yeah I will definetly try to avoid using NLP before I learn a bit more. And yes, all I have learnt at the moment has come from an audio book. Very good book, but I too agree life training is 100 times better way to learn. They don't have life training in where I live and it's quite hard for me to travel much because I haven't got driver licence yet (getting that in 6 months when I'm 18 years old...). Anyways, I don't have any other explanation for what happened so I quess I just played with some things I don't know about much yet.

I wasn't at my best condition when doing the programming thingy. I was quite depressed...

I think my goal was realistic, although 4 days ahead only. It was very possible to achieve it, but as I said "luck" wasn't on my side...

Fevers don't come out of nowhere, hope I learnt something. Maybe I got time and money for lifetraining when I get my driving licence.

[Connie]

It was very possible to achieve it, but as I said "luck" wasn't on my side....

Kip, re-read Don's post. He's telling you that you control your own world and it's not the whims of "luck" affecting anything.

[Poodle]

Welcome to our Forum. You have very successfully managed to violate the MOST IMPORTANT RULE IN NLP -- IS IT ECOLOGICAL???

Yes, your mind can make you ill but it is not your subconscious mind. It's your conscious mind. What the mind believes to be true is true.

You are one very good example of why we do not endorse "self-therapy" until adequately trained. Gee, no training near you? None near me either but we do have airplanes and cars, roads, etc. If you really want it badly enough you will find live, hands-on training with a licensed trainer.

Now stop dabbling in that which you don't understand. Go to a good doc and get your ailments taken care of.

Skip just put up a lovely post on learning from a book -- Can you learn how a banana tastes? Can you learn how to Tango? Can you learn that wonderful aroma of a fresh apple pie baking in the oven filling the whole house with it's lovely scent? Can you learn that wonderful touch for a K anchor?

Books are wonderful and we encourage reading. Lists of good books have been posted but YOU WILL NEVER LEARN ANY OF THESE ARTS FROM A BOOK. Then after training comes practice. We don't mean just practice we mean perfect practice as only perfect practice will deliver the desired results.

Do hope you are feeling better soon!

[skip]

Hi Kip,

Now you have some idea of the power ...

I agree with the other posters, and I would add...

The unconscious, your mind, attempts to achieve the outcomes you set for it. It doesnt judge the desirability of those outcomes, it merely attempt to manifest what you indicate you desire, and does so according to the priorities you set for it.

I seriously doubt that your unconscious 'tried' to kill you.

First off, I suspect that if it 'tried' you wouldnt be posting.

I do know that your unconscious will attempt to achieve things without respect to whether or not the doing, or achieving, is good for you. If it were otherwise, we wouldnt have drug addiction, alcoholism, or obesity, would we?

If what feels good, and is important to you, is being drunk, your unconscious wil find ways to achieve it, as often as possible, irregardless of the harmful effects, up to and including passing out on railroad tracks, or behind the wheel.

So you set a goal, you convinced your unconscious that it was absolute first priority. (As poodle said, "Not ecological.") And your unconscious tried to deliver, and in the trying, more than likely made you sick.

How fortunate for you that this was a short term goal, instead of one that might have had you expending that amount of energy, long term.

So ...

Congrats, you now have a really good experiential knowelege of the power, and of what your mind can do for you, if you set it up correctly. Thank it, honestly thank it, for its response, and attempt.

After all it did do what you asked.

Now you have time to learn how to set it up correctly.

cheers,

skip

[Terry (existing)]

Most of us have a self preservation state within us, that prevents us from doing deadly harm to ourselves, but it doesn't work for all things as you have found out. Your mind was prevented from letting you die by that natural preservation condition, but was able to make you sick because of the directions you gave it. Your post is interesting to all who read it, because it confirms what we constantly tell young persons who ask us to help them learn from books, when we know the damage they can do to their lives if we comply. What you do with your life is up to you of course, but I trust you will learn from what happened, and never attempt to work beyond you skills in the future, not only with your mind, but with your hands also. After all, are you likely to work with a power saw without intitial direction? It can be just as harmfull. One young lady,mowing a lawn one day, lost three fingers because she had no idea that putting her hand in the discharge hole would expose it to moving blades. Dumb you say, but no more so than many things we do without thought as to consequences...

[Don]

I have one disagreement with what Terry just posted. Although it is most frequent that people who read a book or two, go out and try hypnosis and/or NLP, and then aren't satisfied with the results are younger in age, such is not always the case. It's not really the physical age, it's the amount of time studying, practicing, and being trained that matters.

Kip, you have something incredibly valuable that many people don't have: intense, unstoppable desire! Good for you! The difficulty with anyone who has such intense, unstoppable desire is that it usually comes with a lack of patience. Someone sees Jackie Chan and wants to be an expert martial artist now!. Someone sees a musician play an instrument and wants to become an expert in that instrument now! When people lose that intense,unstoppable desire, though, they often develop an attitude which was expressed in an old song: mañana. If I don't do it today, I can do it tomorrow. And when tomorrow comes and the task isn't accomplished, well, there's always the next tomorrow.

I sincerely hope that you never lose your intense, unstoppable desire to achieve your goals in life. My only suggestion is speed ahead slowly. As one of my teachers said, "Learn from the past, live in the present, create your future."

[Kip]

I got plenty of time to learn... I'm still 17 so maybe I'll find a licenced teacher later on...

I've slept over night now, I still got some fever but I think it's going to be over soon.

I've always been interested in psychology and NLP seems like it can give me those things I always wanted to learn about how the world and humans work.

[an 'expert']

3 hour fever isn't normal at all.

Any expert agree with me?

fever is not normal period.

If you want to acheive any goal, you have to prove to yourself you can acheive the goals you set yourself. There are goals all of us can easily acheive and some which seem possible but have a degree of uncertainty. Some have a high degree of doubt. Some need more time than others. Common sense will determine what is practical (N.B. you have got common sense). If you wanted to become an acheiver, how would you go about it? First you will have to set goals. If you want to be successful, you will set goals you can easily achieve to begin with. Getting into the routine, you would challenge yourself in your goal setting. Successful living is a way of life - one of your goals should be 'I always acheive my goals'. You should remind yourself of your goals. Be realistic (sensible) about your goals. Give yourself time, think about what is involved, and most importantly retain your belief that your goals can be acheived. If you ease your way into this conviction, you will be able to accomplish anything you want.

[TaffyE]

fever is not normal period.

Yes it is. It's the body's way of letting you know that something is wrong and needs attention.

[Alonso]

Lol, never do hypnosis or NLP in that way, its like youre failing to see the whole point of why it exists.. It exists exactly so people do the opposite of what you considered. It exists so people can Live their Lives to the Fullest Extent. Not so they can drive themselves to dead ends

[an 'expert']

letting you know that something is WRONG and needs attention.

wrong = not normal, ty

[an 'expert']

Lol, never do hypnosis or NLP in that way, its like youre failing to see the whole point of why it exists.. It exists exactly so people do the opposite of what you considered. It exists so people can Live their Lives to the Fullest Extent. Not so they can drive themselves to dead ends

who were you replyin to Alonso?

[Don]

I think there is a miscommunication here.

If something is wrong with the body, it is normal to have a fever. In fact, in some instances, if there was something wrong with the body and there was no fever, it would not be normal.

Taffy was pointing out that a fever is a normal response to a problem with the body.

You seem to be equating the normal functioning of body temperature with the problem in the body. Thus, if something is wrong with the body, then something is "wrong" with the body's temperature.

It's just two different ways of looking at the phenomenon. One is the hypnotherapeutic way, and one is the way of someone not trained in hypnotherapy.

[nan hexpert]

I think there is a miscommunication here.

If something is wrong with the body, it is normal to have a fever. In fact, in some instances, if there was something wrong with the body and there was no fever, it would not be normal.

Taffy was pointing out that a fever is a normal response to a problem with the body.

You seem to be equating the normal functioning of body temperature with the problem in the body. Thus, if something is wrong with the body, then something is "wrong" with the body's temperature.

It's just two different ways of looking at the phenomenon. One is the hypnotherapeutic way, and one is the way of someone not trained in hypnotherapy.

if you have fever, this is not normal. How often do you have a fever? I don't disagree with what taffy says, he got it right from a particular point of view. But he equivocated first... neh. neh. None of this is important anyway - but seems like you just wanted to say - 'your not trained in hypnotherapy' - ha ha or why else would you say that I wonder? Funny. I mean who would disagree that a fever is a normal response to infection? Do only hypnotherapists think that...? I'm tempted to say 'grow up' but really I'll content myself with a wry smile. ty

[Don]

From the post, "an expert" thinks that a fever is abnormal under any conditions.

As for wry, I prefer it with some mustard and pastrami. But pastrami requires seasoning which is sometimes not available to plain wry. :)

[Terry (existing)]

From the post, "an expert" thinks that a fever is abnormal under any conditions.

As for wry, I prefer it with some mustard and pastrami. But pastrami requires seasoning which is sometimes not available to plain wry. :) Does that mean that if the waiter gives you a wry smile, you will amost certainly order pastrami on rye, or do you mean you only want it if you can have it with mustard? I am confused as usual......

[Connie]

The big question in my mind is what kind of mustard? I see Don as a spicy deli mustard kind of guy. :) None of that boring French's.

http://www.sangabrielvalleymenus.com/reviews/images/3_24_02psc/pastrami.jpg

[han exspurt]

From the post, "an expert" thinks that a fever is abnormal under any conditions.


yes actually, maybe 'grow up' would be better afterall...

[Connie]

This reminds me of a song lyric. Why? I've no idea. :D

It's part of "You Go To My Head."

You go to my head with a smile
That makes my temperature rise
Like a summer with a thousand Julys
You intoxicate my soul with your eyes