Have You Seen My Time Line

[intrance]

Hi all. I have been trying to elicit my time line with no luck:-( I have been practicing hypnotherapy for 11 years now and a student of NLP for 4 years now as time allowed. So I am quite versed on most methods of inducing trance. But I am having a hard time with this on my self. My primary representational system is kinesthetic and I am in time. I have no problem at all visualizing, but still no time line not even a sense of its direction. Correct me if I am wrong but it seems to me that time line is nothing more then a metaphor? I can tell you I have a problem with time, as far as how long something will take or how long it has been sense an event took place. This is one of my reason's wanting to elicit it. Any thoughts? I was going to ask "any suggestions" maybe not a wise thing to do in a group like this ;-)

Regards

[pmdigi]

i don't know, but maybe you could build one in from scratch - maybe imagining and/or visualizing let's say the future in front of you, the past in back of you, the present in your body in the present, or maybe the past on your left, the future to the right, etc. you know - experimenting to see what works best for you.

[intrance]

I have no problem in doing that. The thing is, is that there is no memories on it, no feeling nothing. I have even gotten very elaborate with the process,I tried 3D, flat, Black, White, gray, many other colors. I tried closer and farther away and a combination there of. As I said before I am good with visual. I just can't get a sense of any thing being there.

[pmdigi]

what if you were to "Be" your missing time-line and really get into it and have a back and forth conversation/encounter with it?

[Poodle]

I really don't believe TLT was designed to be a do-it-yourself process as originally designed by Tad James or the other adopted by Richard Bandler. Perhaps if you went to someone who does practice TLT you would be more than able to visualize that time line. We all have at least one. TLT work is done in and out of trance which would be pretty difficult to do to yourself. Have you had training in TLT or is this just a pet project of a novice? If I were to ask your subconscious in which direction does your past lie and then in which direction does your future lie to which directions would you point? If you still say NO, then we have other ways to find it or them but this takes training in TLT.

Richard Bandler's version is different, of course, but he wrote about it in Time For A Change, XI - Reprogramming Limiting Decisions

[Poodle]

Since you are a practicing hypnotherapist you probably spend a good part of your time in trance along with your clients so it is quite obvious why you are experiencing time distortions. This can be and is a very beneficial aspect of trance. Perhaps you should read or reread the Complete Work of Milton Erickson. He LOVED time distortion.

[Simple Guy]

Intrance,

You don't say if you have had in-class training with timeline.
Furthermore, you do not say if you have worked one to one with
someone competent in timeline. Either of those settings would
provide the best venue for eliciting/using a timeline.

[Terry (existing)]

Yes, I think I did, but it was moving so fast I am not sure if it was a timeline or something else that looked like a timeline... Have you looked in all the usual places? Dark closets for example, or drawers that are rarely visited? Come to think of it, you did say you had no idea what it looked like, so how would you know if you saw it? Tell you what, leave it to us to do the searching, while you take two asprin and call us in the morning eh?:D

[Terry (existing)]

Yes, I think I did, but it was moving so fast I am not sure if it was a timeline or something else that looked like a timeline... Have you looked in all the usual places? Dark closets for example, or drawers that are rarely visited? Come to think of it, you did say you had no idea what it looked like, so how would you know if you saw it? Tell you what, leave it to us to do the searching, while you take two asprin and call us in the morning eh?:D You know, someone asked me yesterday what were good questions for this board, and I suggest this is one of those they were hoping I would say.I had so much fun answering it, that I hope it will go on and on and on........

[TaffyE]

Intrance, if, as you say,
I am in time. ....... but still no time line not even a sense of its direction
how do you know that you are In Time. To be able to determin in/through time, you need to have a sense of where your time line lies.

The atributes of people who are in time or through time are not necessarily (imo) hard and fast "rules". I believe that there can be some overlap.

[intrance]

Pood, Maybe not, but I think I should be able to see it of get a sense of it. No I have not had an official training in time line therapy. I have Tad James practitioner and master practitioner set from 1989, and I have his book time line therapy and the basis of personality and a some of his other works. I have used his tape time line elicitation, but still nothing. I am a novice when it comes to TLT and NLP. I would not call this a pet project. We all started some where and at different times, It's just my time now. As far as finding a TLT practitioner I have been unable to locate one in my area. I have the Complete Works of Milton Erickson. I still find my self rereading them after all this time.

Regards

[intrance]

Please read above post.

[Poodle]

I don't think you are grasping the meaning of the word "overlap". You will get nowhere playing with your own time line. Either go take the class in person or give it up. It's that simple. I can guarantee you if you walked through my door you would see your timeline right after the paperwork was finished. If you cannot feel yourself in now and have a sense of in which direction your past lies then it needs to be established by other means. No biggie! Just another day in the work of a Timeline Worker. I will promise you that the TLT experience with a Master Timeline Worker is just plain amazing. Possibly your mind does not like to visualize in its conscious state so you might try using the words "imagine or visualize" and see what happens.

Reading Erickson's Papers and a book doesn't quite give you the real skills you need.

[Poodle]

Is anything preventing you from taking training in Time Line Therapy or whatever whoever wants to call it?

[TaffyE]

[quote=Poodle]I You will get nowhere playing with your own time line./quote]

Can't agree there Pood. "TLT and the Basis of Personality" was part of the pre-course reading for the Tad James course I went on, and form reading the book, I found my timeline fairly easily, and also managed some small changes as well

[Poodle]

BUT and this is a big BUT, IT IS FOR THOSE OF US TRAINED IN IT. It's easy to put a goal in the time line, etc. as we were trained to do this. John Doe Public reading a book or listening to some CD's isn't going to GET IT. I would guess this is why he teaches and demonstrates it.

[TaffyE]

Pood, you used the words "get nowhere". I was merely trying to point out that some things are possible without the training.

I agree that the training enables much bigger things to be accomplished - as with many things :)

[Poodle]

we will have to "assume" intrance has excellent self-hypnotic skills to float above the time line (and then, how high as that is important too) and NLP skills to change the submodalities. It could possibly take 10-20 years for intrance to acquire these skills on their own and only a few weeks to learn them ALL in a class. Choice is theirs.

[tdiamond]

Hmm did you ever find it? Your time line that is?

Perhaps you are working too hard at finding it?

How did you know that you were in time to begin with?

Are you looking for a solid line? a color? a feeling ( you are K)

I see time a tad differently and so I was in your position as well... I used my trust of the process to let go, surender to the belief that I was in fact doing everything perfectly, as it should be, saying that's right all along the way...

A beautiful ride and a successful one as well..

Go for it... feel what happens, when you allow, fully completely, you can and you know it will happen... just ride the wave...now

[Poodle]

Did you really "play" with Time Line Therapy before you learned the process? If you learned the process then why did you study it? Time Line Therapy consists of two things: hypnosis and NLP. A poster with knowledge in neither is not going to succeed. This is why we request they see a practitioner or take training.

We definitly do NOT advocate self-help on this Forum for the untrained.

[tdiamond]

I am sorry if i have over stepped any forum bounds.. he said he studied hypnotherapy for 11 years and nlp for 4.

I had not taken the time empowerment workshop at the time i elicited my time line.. we were given books before the class to study.

the real just of my post is that sometimes people try to be "good" students and when they do not get the exact result they were told they might they create limitations..

i say.. just know you are going to be fine and let go to the process...

[Poodle]

not wishing to spar with you, read the first post again. Many people practice hypnosis and don't know what they are doing let alone know self-hypnosis. Then, we have the statement a STUDENT of NLP for 4 years. The NLP student of four years does not know how to change submodalities. This is the exact reason they are referred to live, in person training like you and I had or to a qualified practitioner. You have not stepped on toes. I'm sure too in the "real world" when people want you to do things you are not supposed to do without a written referral from a licensed practitioner, you will hear every store and lie in the book.

It was nice of you to give the poster the benefit of the doubt.

[Poodle]

Why should we be restricted to 'A FUTURE TIME LINE'? Why cannot it be 'FUTURE TIME LINES"? Looks like fun to me! Pood

[tdiamond]

I believe thats what I experience, since I do not believe that there is "a" time per se at all. That everything is happening all at once, so when we "go back " in time we aren't going back.. we are moving sideways into a different stream of happening...

it is fun... :)

[Merlin]

Bandler teaches of multiple timelines.

[Poodle]

That's why I posted the question. You are the only one that saw it for what it was.

[Merlin]

Then we can move to time planes, or time solids ;-)

[tdiamond]

I wasn't aware that bandler teaches this, I will check it out and see how it fits with my knowing about it... interesting..:)

[TaffyE]

I wasn't aware that bandler teaches this, I will check it out and see how it fits with my knowing about it... interesting..:)

Does it have to fit in with your "knowings". You could learn something new - or is it a limitation :D

[Poodle]

No limitation. She's getting the books! We love eager minds!! As we say in this part of the world "there's more than one way to skin a cat". You may have to check with Jack for the meaning of that one.

[skip]

Wowa!

Whats up with this guys?

Time lines?

No body had time lines, until Tad invented them.

And the dirty secret is they still dont. Well sort of.

BUT it IS a cracking good metaphor for what is really going on.

So when people talk about curved time lines, straight time lines, invisible time lines, multiple time lines, vanished time lines, and even time line casseroles ...

It is meaning less except when it can be utilized to solve some problem.

cheers,

skip

[Simple Guy]

Skip,

Admittedly, I buy into my own framing of "timelines" being an
unconsciously coded way that people code time and I sell the
frame very nicely, but until I find evidence that asian non-english
readers have a higher correlation of vertically running timelines
(consistent with their reading patterns) when similarly elicited,
I can't/won't discount a neurologically determined derivation of
them as possible.

[Poodle]

B&G mention the use of time lines in Frogs into Princes which was printed in 1979. I believe it was 1985 when Tad James created Time Line Therapy(TM) which is a totally different critter even tho both parties use the words time line. Time Line Therapy(TM) and Time Line Essence both involve much more than the future. Back to the poster's original question, I have heard Tad James say that sometimes someone just cannot visualize or... in which case he always keeps a pendulum in his pocket. I certainly have no idea of how he accomplishes the same work with a pendulum but he does. It has been reported that Erickson disliked pendulums but Rossi likes them so they are again "approved".

[TaffyE]

[quote="there's more than one way to skin a cat". You may have to check with Jack for the meaning of that one.[/quote]

Thasoright, I know what it means :)

[skip]

Pood, my love,

The essence of my meaning is, that no matter what we call anything, it is merely a metaphor for the 'real' thing. Even the words we use to describe it are metaphors.

Time lines, critical faculty, plr, hypnosis, drunk, pissed, are merely metaphors for the real thing.

When time lines are used, to describe how people code their experience, it isnt really how they do it, it is a metaphor.

The map isnt the territory.

All we ever have is the map, except for our own personal experience within ourselves.

Some maps are better than others.

Time lines are an excellent map.

And they work for most.

But when you find someone for whom that metaphor doesnt work, you use another. Say a time casserole, or splotch, or even a pendulum. I have seen supposedly trained people insist that someone has a time line, in the face of resistance. And they 'fight' with the client, over it! How much easier to simply pull a pendulum out of your pocket, or a piece of string, or a coin, or even lint! Hell you can even ask them what it would look like if they pretended it were there. :)

cheers,

skip

[maxwatts]

Tad James reinforced last month in Sydney that Time Line Therapy is a process of active imagination - that is to say that, you do actively imagine it, imagine it any way you want, that is perfect, although you dont feel a pull in any direction or see a line yet, imagine your future was in one direction, what would that look/sound/feel like? Imagine it, create it, because however your mind chooses to create it, that is in fact the best way.

[Simon]

I'd guess that already having it just makes it have more credibility. But that should be verified by someone that actually does TLT.

So may I ask someone with experience, did you notice greater success with people that "already" had their timeline, then with those that had to make one?

[Soren K (existing)]

We definitly do NOT advocate self-help on this Forum for the untrained.
I would... There's nothing like your own mistakes for moving beyond yourself. Do it, be playful with your mind, with your life, increase your suffering if need be it's all fuel for the character. My cousin might have said, 'all part of growing up'.

S

{I haven't read much of this thread so apologies if this is inappropriate}

(-8-{=}:)

[TaffyE]

I'd guess that already having it just makes it have more credibility. But that should be verified by someone that actually does TLT.

So may I ask someone with experience, did you notice greater success with people that "already" had their timeline, then with those that had to make one?

I've never asked if they had one already, just assumed that they can find it when asked. Never failed yet.

[tdiamond]

I'd guess that already having it just makes it have more credibility. But that should be verified by someone that actually does TLT.

So may I ask someone with experience, did you notice greater success with people that "already" had their timeline, then with those that had to make one?

I, personally, had to create one and I have had smashing success with it TLT... I really love it,,