Auto-Hypnosis to sleep

[Ziden]

Hallo there again.

I got a simple question, witch i know the answer i just dont know the 'how'.

How can i make myself sleep (indeed SLEEP) thro hypnosis. I can get myself into a light trance easy and suggest 'feeling' things witch are accepted easy by me, like not feeling cold or getting happy/sad in a fingersnap. However, i just cant put myself to sleep during night. I noticed its the best time to hypnotize urself is b4 ur getting to sleep, but, when i come into trance it looks like i gotta focus alot to get OUT of it, and while im on it i cant sleep ! I just stay there 'stoned' on the bed, totally relaxed, but awake, and when i do that, i have to try to suggest the 'trance out' so i can rest. Im having some insomnia issues so i was wondering if i could put myself to sleep easy. I didnt got a self-deep trance yet cause im still kinda afraid of it, afraid of loosing control. (i did got a self trance of 2 hours other day thinking it was like 15 minutes, so, yea it makes me afraid).
I do use the word sleep alot while praticing hypnosis on people so i associated that word as a trance key word, so the more i say to myself to sleep, the deeper the trance gets, and the hardest it seems to sleep. Is there some key things to do this or im just simply using the wrong think-line ?

Thanx for any help. []´s

[Poodle]

Yes, we pass through a state VERY SIMILAR to hypnosis every night before we go to sleep and every morning before we get up. It also happens every 90-120 minutes of the 'waking' day.

What happens when we sleep? The conscious mind gets a good rest and the subsconscious mind can get really busy processing the day and after it does all of that, it starts to process the past to find out if you are quite ready to do it yet. It renews the body, renews cells and gets you ready for tomorrow. For a short while you enter REM sleep.

Hypnosis is not sleep. Sleep is sleep. You do not take suggestions easily when sleeping as you do not really hear them to process them.

Jerry is quite correct in saying that a hypnotic trance will have to break the insomnia trance to install a sleep trance via a hypnotic trance. When we shut up, clients start to emerge from the hypnotic trance all by themselves. They do not go to sleep. If a client goes to sleep during a session it is an alarm for us that something more is going on in their lives than we knew about before we induced the trance.

Hypnosis is a natural state for the human mind. As hypnotists, we induce that state artificially. Fun thing - I often induce hypnosis in my sleep, in dreams. I dream an induction that does not exsit, enter somnambulism and then quickly wake up and I do mean wake up as I was totally sound asleep. If I could only get it to last for much longer times but how does one give one suggestions when sound asleep??

I have not seen all of Jerry's DVD's but I'd bet there is not one mistake or booboo on them. Some very highly qualified people on this Forum have studied with him in person. I regard him as a personal friend and a great mentor.

Another Note: Please never-ever snap fingers at someone in a hypnotic trance including self. Terribly, terribly rude! I know you see it all over the net. Apparently their instructor forgot to tell them.

Enjoy~Pood

PS - Skip -- Please forgive my language. I don't want to muddy the water just yet.

[Brando]

Poodle's post there is actually the answer to a similar question I asked a week or so ago-

http://www.hypnosisforum.com/showthread.php?t=30823

I'm still not clear on the "state VERY SIMILAR to hypnosis". What is this state called, and what's the difference between it and hypnosis?

[Brando]

Also Ziden- it's funny you should mention not being able to sleep.. I made myself a deep trance audio recording less than a week ago, and I typically listen to it before bed. I've been doing it every night since and have been having terrible insomnia. (I'm usually asleep by 4am!)

It's funny, I didn't even think about hypnosis being the issue until I just read this.

[Poodle]

You didn't quite understand what I wrote. It's not a hypnotic trance that's causing the problem, it's an insomnia trance that is causing the problem.

I know it is very difficult for a newbie in class to figure out that we go from trance to trance to trance all the time but I do know you are a smart guy with a drive to learn our world and I'm sure you will figure it out eventually. I think it may have taken me about 5 years after I got really serious about hypnosis and went for a real in person training. Somethings in our world can be a bit difficult to understand. A hypnotic trance is a bit different in that it has certain qualities that can be verified.

The or similar that was mentioned is perhaps driving the car and spacing out and wondering why you are at Point B when you wanted to go to Point A. Daydreaming looking out a window, train rides. On Dec. 21 at night on total iced road it happened to me in a way I was not used to -- I live quite a ways from town. I left home and drove. Eventually the conscious mind kicked in and I looked around wondering just where the "H" am I because there were large oil tanks close by. Then I saw a name that I recognized and knew where I was and continued on to where I was supposed to go. I was very, very safe as I totally and completely trust my unconscious mind and I know it will always do what is needed to keep me safe. This was not like a daydream. I was totally and completely 'inside' if you know what I mean.

Keep learning~Pood

[Ziden]

I belive i can understand that, the 'inside' you mean its trusting responses your unconsious is giving rather then analysing/making up a response consiously, and that is a trance, no?

But how can this inflict my spleep ? If im in trance it means im awake , however if im in trance i belive i could suggest myself to change from a trance state to a sleep state, witch i didnt managed to do, and even more, after a trance it seems way harder to sleep. Or pheraphs, im not actually leaving the trance. Gotta work out on that.

Ty for replyes i really apreciate that. You all rocks. :love:

[Brando]

You didn't quite understand what I wrote. It's not a hypnotic trance that's causing the problem, it's an insomnia trance that is causing the problem.

Can you elaborate on that?

I know it is very difficult for a newbie in class to figure out that we go from trance to trance to trance all the time but I do know you are a smart guy with a drive to learn our world and I'm sure you will figure it out eventually.

Well this sounds downright demeaning. Instead of saying that I'm smart, and that I'll figure it out eventually... why not help me to figure it out? Isn't that why this forum exists? It's certainly why I choose to read and post on it for myself..

The fact that we go 'from trance to trance to trance all the time' is not a very difficult thing to grasp. But it also needs further explaining for me to really understand what that means.

[Brando]

PS - Skip -- Please forgive my language. I don't want to muddy the water just yet.

And while I'm at it- what is the meaning of your PS in the earlier post?

[Poodle]

We are not a teaching forum. Dr. Matt James, owner of this place, will gladly help you out for a price but you do have to leave your city and state. We also do not have the bandwidth to be a teaching forum. We are all volunteers of our time and knowledge.

This is what I wrote:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------]Yes, we pass through a state VERY SIMILAR to hypnosis every night before we go to sleep and every morning before we get up. It also happens every 90-120 minutes of the 'waking' day.

What happens when we sleep? The conscious mind gets a good rest and the subsconscious mind can get really busy processing the day and after it does all of that, it starts to process the past to find out if you are quite ready to do it yet. It renews the body, renews cells and gets you ready for tomorrow. For a short while you enter REM sleep. Hypnosis is not sleep. Sleep is sleep. You do not take suggestions easily when sleeping as you do not really hear them to process them.

Jerry is quite correct in saying that a hypnotic trance will have to break the insomnia trance to install a sleep trance via a hypnotic trance.
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Hypnosis is a natural state for the human mind. As hypnotists, we induce that state artificially. The natural very similar states are not induced by a hypnotist. They last about for a second or two.

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Now all of this about insomnia. Insomnia if it persists is a medical condition. To work with it we need written referral from a licensed practitioner of the healing arts. Everyone has occasional insomnia but when it becomes a big problem is when you need to see a licensed professional. It could be anything from depression to cancer. We do not diagnose! I actually know of a person who went to a psychiatrist with insomnia. Got the usual insomnia meds and shortly thereafter died. It was brain cancer.

Using the word trance does not indicate necessarily a hypnotic trance.

Kind regards~Pood

[skip]

Ziden,

I cant figure out whether you want to go to sleep, or into a trance.

Could you clarify?

skip

[Poodle]

I believe Ziden is quite happy right now as there is a NLP Trainer near where s/he lives and s/he is calling Monday. Seemed to be a real definite LIKE for the Trainer.

S/He wanted to go into a hypnotic trance which s/he believed would then lead her/him into sleep as s/he has insomnia.

S/he is really excited to find NLP books in his/her native language.

Hugs~Pood

[Ziden]

Poods is absolutely right. Besides ima boy =] The prices of that NLP trainer im willing to call is very high i dont work im still 16, so ima try set something up so i can learn.

@Skip, i want to go to sleep, from a hypnosis trance to a sleep trance, so i can control what time am i going to sleep. I dont really have insomnia i just wanted to control my sleep periods, i think that could be usefull. But, when i try this too late (at my real sleep time) i cant seems to sleep. Only when i try to get into a hypnosis trance, looks like it makes more difficult to go to sleep after it.

[skip]

Ziden,

I have what may be a better idea about sleep for you.

When you are sleepy got to sleep.

When you wake up get up. (teen agers tend to find this part difficult.)

Your body/mind knows how much sleep you need. It knows when you need it, and when you have had enough.

So work with it. No specific set times, "I vill go to sleep NOW." It wont take long before your body/mind recognizes that you are going to go to sleep when needed and get up on awakening, and will adjust to getting exactly what it wants.

And you will be amazed at how little time you actually spend sleeping.


cheers,

skip

[Poodle]

wants to meet with the NLP Trainer as when he is some older he would like to enter 'our' world. I could only find two in all of Brazil so he would have a great future as a Master Prac or even a Trainer.

Right now he needs to get to work and earn some money so he can go to the trainings. School plus work should make him tired enough to sleep well. He is getting NLP books from the Trainer to read even tho I told him NLP is an experience. There is something between the lines of this young man that makes me tend to believe he will do it. He shows some great natural ability without knowing anything about it so let's just cross our fingers and paws that he does make it and has a fabulous career. At 16 the dice could roll any way.

Professional people make very good money in Brazil. I knew a young lady, Kitty, that was a draftsperson there and she made a very, very good living. Now in the days of AutoCad it's still possible...a lot of American and European countries into Brazil's resources.