Ziden
01-28-2011, 07:26 AM
Hello everyone.
My name is Gabriel, and im from Brazil. Im very new to hypnosis, ive had the first contact with it on a stage show in a month ago(i wasnt one of the participants tho) and that intrigated me alot. Ive start studyng it via internet, mostly watching videos. What i do is, i watch the video in slo-mo and try to catch a 'why he sayd that?', getting the meaning and the probably predicted response to that meaning sentence. In brazil, books of hypnosis are lost in the past, theyr mostly all not updated. I chatted a lil w/ one hypnosis doctor from brazil, one that have a heavy name, and he didnt event knew about shock/confusion inductions, and told me that hypnosis is just like sleeping, then i asked if u were aware of whats happening and he told u werent aware. And thats a lie i think, cause ive tryed to tell a girl to take her clothes off and she just opened her eyes and sayd "woot tha fock u want w/ me ?".
Ive got a simple script ive made, putting up pieces i found of other scripts together, that being up 99% correctly, works most of the time to induce a relaxing state where the suggestion could be more acceptable. Ive praticing on disjuction ('look THAT hand, not YOUR hand', is that correct ?) and it makes things better. All my first attemps were sucess on inducting the 'begining' trance, a light trance, where i can do some light suggestions such as moving members, felling things, imagining things and sounds (and i see im doing good or bad by lookin at eye cues). Until here, 100% good. Then, i want to let the 'patient' to fall into a deeper state of relaxation so i can suggest something more powerfull, such as forgetting a number or its own name. This btw, works like 10%, ive tryed like 20 different ppl on hypnosis (i do it on school) and only 2-3 were able to forget theyr own names. Others, just step out the trance at certain point, and i can visibily see that. I dont know why is this happening. Sometimes i think the problem is my script, i use english patterns translated to portuguese, but i translate the meaning and the 'mind effect' it will have, not the actual word. This is the meaning of the script ive made so far: ( try skyping sintax part, and get meaning of things, maybe i 'mess-syntaxed' something )
Look at that hand
Notice that tumb
I invite you, to notice little movements from that thumb
because i actually want to invite your *lower voice* sub-concious mind
to notice those little movements. Yeah, thats right, those movements, thats intresting.
Now, while you look at that thumb there, i want you to allow your subconcious mind to draw a picture in your mind, a picture of some valuable and apropriate work. (just tryng to distract the mind)
While you do that, i want you to feel, a intense, imense sensation of relaxation, and while you do that, you should noticed that that arm, that holds that hand, will slowly fall towards your leg.
Until that arm, hasnt touched your leg, means your subconcious mind is still drawing that piece of work. When the time is ready, *quick speack* now, and you will notice when time is ready *finger snap* , you will feel a deep , deep, sleep *quick speack*, arm fall, taking care of your mind, and *finger snap* sleep.
Usually, it works cool until here. I can notice this by when i say sleep, the arm usualy havent touched the leg yet, but as i say sleep, the arm falls. But, after some points after this, the 'patience' comes out of a deep trance to a very light trance. Ive tryed some common patterns ive seen on videos to a deep sleep like a count to 10, and every number i say i say some command in the middle, such as 1 you feeling relaxed, 2 the relaxation goes deeper 3 and deeper, and 4 you notice this is not 5 your concious mind control, 6 and deeper you go, 7 the relaxer u get, 8 and it reaches to ten, your completly falling into a deep state of trance NINE TEN.
This works few times, and usually after this sounds more probable that i will acomplish a 'forget name' or 'forget number' thing.
I wish to know if im doing something wrong. Im sorry for any english mistakes or wrong sintaxes, or too simple names, im not yet familiarized to all technical names and stuff cause i dont have a good book to read. Buyng international books is out of the question, cause im really poor and those books are really expensive in Real, brazil currency, so im kinda limited to the internet and testing, testing testing...
I think i got ease to do hypnosis, cause i belive i have good talking skills, and i belive im ok on adding subjective content on statements.
Just to let u know, my base studyes come from Derren Brown, KC2XL, Jamie Smart, Steve G Jones, and some content ive downloaded from Milton Erickson Confusion Induction patterns, witch are the hardest part to translate to portuguese, such as "choose a hand. Could be the left hand if thats a right choice, or the right hand leaving only one left". This wouldnt work well in portuguese. Well, anyway, im sorry for that long text, im kinda excited ive found this forum here. Sorry for anything, and thanx for anything patience you had reading this. So , the thing is, where am i missing to take the person to a deeper state ? Critical factor bypass ? what ? Thanx for any help.
Regards Gabriel Ziden.
My name is Gabriel, and im from Brazil. Im very new to hypnosis, ive had the first contact with it on a stage show in a month ago(i wasnt one of the participants tho) and that intrigated me alot. Ive start studyng it via internet, mostly watching videos. What i do is, i watch the video in slo-mo and try to catch a 'why he sayd that?', getting the meaning and the probably predicted response to that meaning sentence. In brazil, books of hypnosis are lost in the past, theyr mostly all not updated. I chatted a lil w/ one hypnosis doctor from brazil, one that have a heavy name, and he didnt event knew about shock/confusion inductions, and told me that hypnosis is just like sleeping, then i asked if u were aware of whats happening and he told u werent aware. And thats a lie i think, cause ive tryed to tell a girl to take her clothes off and she just opened her eyes and sayd "woot tha fock u want w/ me ?".
Ive got a simple script ive made, putting up pieces i found of other scripts together, that being up 99% correctly, works most of the time to induce a relaxing state where the suggestion could be more acceptable. Ive praticing on disjuction ('look THAT hand, not YOUR hand', is that correct ?) and it makes things better. All my first attemps were sucess on inducting the 'begining' trance, a light trance, where i can do some light suggestions such as moving members, felling things, imagining things and sounds (and i see im doing good or bad by lookin at eye cues). Until here, 100% good. Then, i want to let the 'patient' to fall into a deeper state of relaxation so i can suggest something more powerfull, such as forgetting a number or its own name. This btw, works like 10%, ive tryed like 20 different ppl on hypnosis (i do it on school) and only 2-3 were able to forget theyr own names. Others, just step out the trance at certain point, and i can visibily see that. I dont know why is this happening. Sometimes i think the problem is my script, i use english patterns translated to portuguese, but i translate the meaning and the 'mind effect' it will have, not the actual word. This is the meaning of the script ive made so far: ( try skyping sintax part, and get meaning of things, maybe i 'mess-syntaxed' something )
Look at that hand
Notice that tumb
I invite you, to notice little movements from that thumb
because i actually want to invite your *lower voice* sub-concious mind
to notice those little movements. Yeah, thats right, those movements, thats intresting.
Now, while you look at that thumb there, i want you to allow your subconcious mind to draw a picture in your mind, a picture of some valuable and apropriate work. (just tryng to distract the mind)
While you do that, i want you to feel, a intense, imense sensation of relaxation, and while you do that, you should noticed that that arm, that holds that hand, will slowly fall towards your leg.
Until that arm, hasnt touched your leg, means your subconcious mind is still drawing that piece of work. When the time is ready, *quick speack* now, and you will notice when time is ready *finger snap* , you will feel a deep , deep, sleep *quick speack*, arm fall, taking care of your mind, and *finger snap* sleep.
Usually, it works cool until here. I can notice this by when i say sleep, the arm usualy havent touched the leg yet, but as i say sleep, the arm falls. But, after some points after this, the 'patience' comes out of a deep trance to a very light trance. Ive tryed some common patterns ive seen on videos to a deep sleep like a count to 10, and every number i say i say some command in the middle, such as 1 you feeling relaxed, 2 the relaxation goes deeper 3 and deeper, and 4 you notice this is not 5 your concious mind control, 6 and deeper you go, 7 the relaxer u get, 8 and it reaches to ten, your completly falling into a deep state of trance NINE TEN.
This works few times, and usually after this sounds more probable that i will acomplish a 'forget name' or 'forget number' thing.
I wish to know if im doing something wrong. Im sorry for any english mistakes or wrong sintaxes, or too simple names, im not yet familiarized to all technical names and stuff cause i dont have a good book to read. Buyng international books is out of the question, cause im really poor and those books are really expensive in Real, brazil currency, so im kinda limited to the internet and testing, testing testing...
I think i got ease to do hypnosis, cause i belive i have good talking skills, and i belive im ok on adding subjective content on statements.
Just to let u know, my base studyes come from Derren Brown, KC2XL, Jamie Smart, Steve G Jones, and some content ive downloaded from Milton Erickson Confusion Induction patterns, witch are the hardest part to translate to portuguese, such as "choose a hand. Could be the left hand if thats a right choice, or the right hand leaving only one left". This wouldnt work well in portuguese. Well, anyway, im sorry for that long text, im kinda excited ive found this forum here. Sorry for anything, and thanx for anything patience you had reading this. So , the thing is, where am i missing to take the person to a deeper state ? Critical factor bypass ? what ? Thanx for any help.
Regards Gabriel Ziden.