NLP/Timeline therapy vs Cognitive Behavourial Therapy

[logicboy]

Hey guys,

Im pretty new to all this stuff but wow it sounds amazing..

So, i heard about Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) a couple months ago and recently NLP/Timeline therapy.

I hates the idea of CBT and how they let you get used to the anxiety.

Whereas from what I heard Timeline therapy/ NLP is soo easy and can completely make people anxiety free and no harm is caused to the individual.

My question is - Why would anyone want to choose CBT over NLP? it doesn't make sense at all.

Thanks :P

[Connie]

When people make poor choices, whatever the context, picking a mate, choosing lunch, or choosing a therapy methodology, it's based on the person's current understanding and best at that moment information available. Remember the TV show (if you're American) called "Let's Make A Deal"? People would choose doors and prizes based on a severe lack of information. Sometimes it would be a brand new spiffy automobile, or a trip, or sometimes a small thing like a can opener. If they could see and know what's behind the curtain, it would be an easy choice to make and always lead to the best outcome.

The world needs to know more about NLP. Because knowing, truly knowing and understanding it, it would be the top choice of anyone and everyone for life changes.

[logicboy]

When people make poor choices, whatever the context, picking a mate, choosing lunch, or choosing a therapy methodology, it's based on the person's current understanding and best at that moment information available. Remember the TV show (if you're American) called "Let's Make A Deal"? People would choose doors and prizes based on a severe lack of information. Sometimes it would be a brand new spiffy automobile, or a trip, or sometimes a small thing like a can opener. If they could see and know what's behind the curtain, it would be an easy choice to make and always lead to the best outcome.

The world needs to know more about NLP. Because knowing, truly knowing and understanding it, it would be the top choice of anyone and everyone for life changes.

Yes, I understand what your saying, but why do psychiatrists recommend CBT like everytime?Im sure that they have heard of NLP.

Also, is sounds to me like Timeline Therapy could be the cure for everything, is this true? For example, can it really cure anxiety caused by sexual abuse? (no, i havent been sexually abused just putting up an example to see whether its that good"), And i know by "cure" I mean giving us the tools to "cure" but I assume you know what I mean.

I mean, im just fascinated on how NLP and Timeline therapy can help people, from what I have read it can make people normal again and anxiety free permenantly, is this the case? or is it exaggerated?

Im really interested on how "powerful" NLP and Timeline therapy is....could it really "cure" those millions of people suffering everyday of phobias e.g. of clouds?

[Don]

When Freud invented psychoanalysis, he had several goals. One was to allow people who were incompetent hypnotists (like him) to achieve results similar to those achieved with hypnosis. Another was to make sure it would take a long time to achieve the same results so he could make a lot of money. Freud said that analysis was for rich people.

So why should a psychologist, who probably studied CBT, or a psychiatrist who studied allopathic medicine and CBT suggest anything else? It does provide help even if it takes a long time. Why should they acknowledge something that they know nothing about and would take money out of their pocket?

As "Deep Throat" said to Woodward and Bernstein, "Follow the money."

[logicboy]

wow, that answered nearly everything, thanks alot Don.

But wait, u didn't answer the "is NLP as powerful as people say it is" or is it overrated/exaggerated?

Im very curious, in your opinion is NLP/Timeline Therapy the answer to nearly all anxiety related issues? can it really allow people to be anxiety free?

Thanks in advance for the reply :)

[Connie]

I'm not an expert in "Timeline Therapy" as that's another trademarked methodology separate from NLP (tm). NLP is not a specific technique or series of techniques, it's a way of understanding the world and people and people's minds and how to craft an intentional life. And YES, absolutely, it's powerful. Imagine how powerful you think it might be, and multiply that by a few hundred thousand times efficacy...

[Don]

You're right. I didn't answer it.

NLP is not a single thing. It is a collection of techniques. They have overlapping uses. A technique may be effective when used with one person and not with another. Someone who is trained and experienced in NLP will observe a client and switch techniques if what he or she is doing does not appear to be effective.

NLP and TLT are merely tools. In the hands of an expert they can produce amazing things. In the hands of someone who is untrained and unexperienced the results will be negligible.

So is it all subjective? Not at all. There are people who are naturally good public speakers, people who train to become a good public speaker, and people who are not good at public speaking. It's not the public speaking that's the issue, it's the individual using the techniques.

Real medical anxiety, as opposed to just feeling anxious about something, is an actual disorder that may have a physiological cause and legally should be treated by an M.D. When it is not physiological in nature, then "anxiety" is just a label put on a set of symptoms that include feelings of uneasiness and apprehension over events known and unknown that have not yet occurred. The result in extreme cases can be any of a wide variety of compulsive behaviors and even panic attacks.

So "anxiety" is a "chunked up" term. If we "chunk down" to its component parts there are actual issues that can easily be dealt with.

I have anxiety
—How do you know
I have feelings of unease and to compensate I wash my hands 20 times a day.
—Let's work on that...

So if the symptoms are eliminated (a behavioral change) have I "cured" the anxiety? I don't know. However, I don't care. The client no longer has anything I he or she would call anxiety and functions easily in society.

Medicine is referred to as a "practice." Doctors practice medicine. I practice hypnosis, NLP, Time Line work. Doctors try to cure anxiety with drugs and long periods of counseling. I help people change their behaviors. They can give it whatever name they like.

Many times on these forums we've been asked if hypnosis can help with a problem. My response is always, "No. It can't. But a trained and experienced hypnotherapist can use hypnosis as part of a way to help you change your behaviors and be the way you want to be."

Western medicine is powerful in the hands of a person trained to use it. NLP/hypnosis/TLT are powerful in the hands of a person trained to use it.

[logicboy]

wow Don, this is really complex.

When you say "i help people change their behaviours" Do you count anxiety as a behaviour? And change their behaviours by accessing the subconscious mind right?

I mean Im finding it really hard to understand NLP,hypnosis, TLT.

For example, in terms of a person having a trauma in their life such as hm, they got into a huge car accident a couple of years back and since then they have anxiety and panic attacks when they drive, however before that car accident they had no anxiety and no panic attacks. Can NLP/hypnosis/TLT make that person anxiety free?

I mean, im just so confused on how it all works, I mean ive been to a hypnotist before and he was very experienced. He told me that when im in the hypnosis state that my subconsious mind is awake and he gives it ideas and if i agree on those ideas then it accepts it and there ! im anxiety free on whatever the issue was.

Well thats on a hypnosis view, and NLP/timeline therapy sound very different.

When you say you change their behaviours, I dont understand you...what do you mean by behaviours? can you give me an example of a successfully treated patient of yours?

Im really curious and confused.

Thanks in advance Don

[Poodle]

In answer to your original question: People make the best choice available to them at that time. That is a core NLP belief.

Be well~Pood

[Don]

I consider "anxiety" to be a label for a variety of behaviors. Of those behaviors, an individual diagnosed with anxiety may have one or many of them, each to a lesser or greater degree. Typical symptoms of anxiety include being unable to relax, having a hard time concentrating, being easy to startle, fatigue, headaches, irritability, muscle tension, and gastrointestinal problems. A person may have one of these of several of them.

Let's assume a person has anxiety because she is unable to relax, is always tired, and suffers from frequent headaches. Using hypnosis or NLP or TLT or a combination of them, we stop the headaches, give the person incredible energy, and teach them how to relax. The person no longer has any symptoms of anxiety.

So would they be suffering from anxiety any more?

[logicboy]

Yea ! Thanks alot Poodle, I spoke to wayne over the phone and he was a great guy. I was going to go there, but since im on zoloft at the moment he said the results won't be so good. So we will work something out when im off the meds (zoloft). :P

And when you say "a phobia is about 10-15 minutes of work in NLP" does that include all phobias? even serious phobias? like Agorophobia and Hadephobia? (Hadephobia in my case).

Thx

To Don - yea i understand you more now, but i see your focusing more on the relaxation side of things and not the how powerful NLP is for phobias side of things as I asked ((

Thx

[Don]

To Don - yea i understand you more now, but i see your focusing more on the relaxation side of things and not the how powerful NLP is for phobias side of things as I asked ((

Thx

Then I apologize for not being clear.
You asked specifically about anxiety and I responded to that.
Getting rid of the symptoms that are grouped together as "anxiety" may include relaxation, but are not limited to that. For example, since not having energy may be a symptom of anxiety, using techniques we can help a person experience continuous or bursts of energy. That's not about relaxation.

This has nothing to do with phobias. As Poodle wrote, eliminating phobias can be done very quickly.

The symptoms of anxiety (or more accurately, Generalized Anxiety Disorder) may be linked to fear of the result of an unknown result. This is a good thing. It is part of our self-protective mechanism so we can be prepared for anything. When it manifests through symptoms that interfere with our effectiveness, then it becomes a problem. However, to remove it completely would leave us defenseless against unknown situations. To eliminate it completely would be bad. To eliminate symptoms that interfere with our lives is good.

[logicboy]

wow, thanks alot Don, Connie and especially Poodle.

You guys have given me an insight to NLP and its powers !

Thanks, i now have a more full understanding of it.

Take Care - Andrew

P.S. Poodle i want to PM you, but I cant since I havent got 10 pots yet :D

[Poodle]

"Hadephobia?" Interesting word. Where did you learn this word and exactly who told you that you have 'Hadephobia'?

Could your speculated hadephobia come from the fact that you [believe you need to lose some 'fluid' every day?]

You are interesting to say the least.

Pood - OVER AND OUT!