Distractions during hypnosis...

[Alexander_1982]

Well I'm working with my CD once a day as per request of my hypnotherapist and I can now get to quite a 'deep' state where I forget where I am and the general overture of the day. Bliss.

However my circumstances are such that distractions are frequent. Not 10 minuets into my session today somebody was banging down my door asking for a phillips screwdriver of all things. I loathingly slouched off my bed and felt quite awful then ferociously angry that I was disturbed, needless to say I gave the bastaard his screwdriver, he'll be making a guest appearance on next weeks E.R.

It took me a little while to shake off this sluggishness after being awakened and on my little hypnosis factsheet it says 'don't stop midway', what are the actual dangers in being forcibly awakened during hypnosis? I can't imagine it being particulary good for the subconscios.

Cheers.

[Poodle]

Were you asleep? Interesting concept I thought we got rid of. A client can pop out of trance any time they wish with no ill effects. I do suggest not hopping into a vehicle and driving for a little while just to make sure. One of my little quirks as it were. Maybe you should put a sign on your door 'DO NOT DISTURB" or listen to your CD when all is quiet. How about getting a LOCK for your door?

[Merlin]

> what are the actual dangers in being forcibly awakened during hypnosis?

answer:
>It took me a little while to shake off this sluggishness

[Terry (existing)]

Well I'm working with my CD once a day as per request of my hypnotherapist and I can now get to quite a 'deep' state where I forget where I am and the general overture of the day. Bliss. Who is your therapist?


It took me a little while to shake off this sluggishness after being awakened and on my little hypnosis factsheet it says 'don't stop midway', what are the actual dangers in being forcibly awakened during hypnosis? I can't imagine it being particulary good for the subconscios.

Cheers. You are not in hypnosis.

[Alexander_1982]

I'd rather not name names for obvious reasons but I am interested in your views here Terry. Is hypnosis a generally a lighter state than the one I've attempted to describe? Do you think it is largely unlikely that these CDs can induce hypnosis effectivley? Am I simply wasting my time? I have confidence in my therapist and I'm due to see him again soon so I will ask him, but I also appreciate the wealth of expertise offered by this site.

Thank you.

[Terry (existing)]

I'd rather not name names for obvious reasons but I am interested in your views here Terry. Is hypnosis a generally a lighter state than the one I've attempted to describe? Do you think it is largely unlikely that these CDs can induce hypnosis effectivley? Am I simply wasting my time? I have confidence in my therapist and I'm due to see him again soon so I will ask him, but I also appreciate the wealth of expertise offered by this site.

Thank you. First of all, I reply as do we all, to a few words written in haste on a screen. This is very poor communications, but is all we have, so we make statements based on common sense, but derived from a poor source. What you describe is not to me a true trance derived from a tape no matter what the source of that tape, so I say so. Also, please note the difference between your statements and your actions? You say you have confidence in your therapist, but refuse to say whom it is, and come here asking questions of us which could or should be much better answered by the local. This I suggest denotes a great lack of confidence on your part, and leads me to wonder how much you are telling and how much you are witholding? The skill or otherwise of your local practitioner is not at this point in question. What I do question is YOUR trust in this person, and if it is lacking I see no future in the relationship. To show what I mean, I was once working with my secretary after hours, because her doctor had told her he expected her to be confined to a wheelchair in the near future, and I was attempting to help her to avoid this. Since her chair was comfortable, we were working while she was sitting at her desk, and on one occassion the phone rang. Now you would expect, according to what you described, that she would come out of trance and answer the phone, particullarly since she was in her normal work station. She smiled and ignored the phone because she was otherwise engaged on something of importance to her, as you should have been. That my friend is hypnosis, single minded and concentrated on one goal. If you are not in that state, I would question that you are in a hypnotic trance, but perhaps in a trance that is conducive to relaxation, not the same thing. Results will show if I am right or wrong, because results are all that count.

[Alexander_1982]

You say you have confidence in your therapist, but refuse to say whom it is, and come here asking questions of us which could or should be much better answered by the local. This I suggest denotes a great lack of confidence on your part, and leads me to wonder how much you are telling and how much you are witholding? The skill or otherwise of your local practitioner is not at this point in question. What I do question is YOUR trust in this person, and if it is lacking I see no future in the relationship.

That is certainly a fair assumption and it's difficult for me to distinguish whether or not this is indeed a lack of trust or a analytical saftey net to validate that I am getting the best possible advice/treatment.

To illustrate this point I did a similar thing when I was first learning to play the drums. I took on a teacher and did a lot observation and reading on the net and then decided that perhaps I wasn't being taught the most effective techinques (I was right) and so switched to another teacher who was a lot more professional in his knowlege and this benfited my playing.

I suppose I do tread the fine line between the pursuit of excellence and perfectionism and I like to cover my knowlege bases through the use of experts. If this creates a problem and equates to a lack of faith or trust in the therapist maybe I should go see another therapist and just totally submit to whatever his/her procedure.

With regards to the results I have so far obtained I would say noticable but not clinical. I still feel elements of the self-consciousness that debillitates me so but it's only been two sessions and so I figure one or two more would do the trick. At the end of the last session he didn't initiate the need for another session and just said contact me if need be. I was going to arrange to see him this week but I am now reconsidering.

Once again I thank you for your time,

Al

[Poodle]

Yesterday after inducing trance (the suggested mental amnesia part) my dog started barking to beat the band. I had to quickly say and all sounds you hear other than my voice just take you deeper into trance, that's right -- dogs barking, water flowing in the fish aquariums, traffic noices, children playing...The only thing that matters is the sound of my voice as it gently weaves it's way into your mind creating wonderful things to happen automatically. The phone started to ring furiously while we were working. It was not "heard" by my client -- just deeper to that pleasant place. Then the dog came in and started slurping up water but my client just went deeper. I LOVE utilizaton. This is the difference between trance and relaxation.

[Connie]

Poodle, it says that on the cds I'm listening to, also. That any noise you might hear won't distract you, but will enable you to go deeper. I thought that was a clever idea!

[lion1]

i have just completed a course in hypnotherapy which i feel in my opinion was truely a waste of money and time...the tutor says hypnosis is everything.....spiritual contact is hypnosis transfiguaration is hypnosis yet in the course the hypnotic state in my belief was not experienced yet a deep form of relaxation was ..so I would be grateful if someone could describe the difference between a hypnotic trance and other forms of trance but i apologise if it aleady has been previously.

thanks
Si

[Don]

It sounds like you are very astute. How many students were in the class with you. Did they have the same problems?

There is an aspect of the mind called the "critical faculty." This is the part of the mind that says, "Nah, I don't believe that and I won't do that." When in a trance, a person experiences an altered state of consciousness. In hypnosis, the critical faculty is bypassed so that the unconscious can be directly accessed.

During your class, the tutor should have explained "convincers" which would have proven to you and to your tutor that you were hypnotized. I am amazed that this was not done.

[lion1]

Hi Don

Yes approx two thirds of the students were dissapointed,the course was held over 10 weekends integrating nlp hypnosis and psychotherapy

convincers ....we were told that change in skin colour,rem, and relaxed breathing were all that is required

we were told about the cinema technique,although it was not practiced.an elman technique(in a lift)..nonverbal inductions were swaying the client while stood up,rapid induction---pushing the highest shoulder down and then lifting the wrists to flop on lap.and then one of their own scripts.Most of the course work was photocopied from books and handed out loose.
we did not actually witness what I would call hypnosis..it seemed more like just a deep relaxation.
the other students are not confident in using it although they have passed the exams..one has started another course on hypnosis with a reputable organisation.
One student had a client who panicked when they could not open their eyes.
we did not gain any insight in how to deal with an abreaction.

most students I have spoken with have not the confidence to use hypnosis as they feel they havent had enough tutorage and experience before getting clients.
And I have heard from the landlady where i stayed that one of the previous students came to the hotel in tears after something was said to her by the tutor
all in all we feel that the course was crammed into too little time and the organisation training us was more involved in receiving our money than teaching us the techniques and theory.

yes we did get told about the critical faculty but it was vague...I have learnt more from reading tad james and other books than the course

I am sorry to have divulged this info there is a lot more info on what went on in the course and I have just been asked by another student if i wil back them up to seek our money back but i do not know how and what and where we stand in this

[Simple Guy]

Lion1,

I recommend that anyone taking courses provide feedback (positive,
negative, neutral... whatever the experience) to any
associations accrediting or affiliated with the trainings.

[Terry (existing)]

Lion1,

I recommend that anyone taking courses provide feedback (positive,
negative, neutral... whatever the experience) to any
associations accrediting or affiliated with the trainings. Not only would I support this recommendation, but would add that anyone NOT doing so is lacking in credibility, and making empty complaints. If a member of my Society were to give a training course, and complaints were received, we would do all in our power to correct the problem, and in the event that the trainer was found to be at fault, he or she would be removed from our rosta, and students given a remedial training to replace the faulty one at no charge to them. If, of course, your course was put on by someone with no connections to a credible Association or Society, nothing can be done, and you should have taken the time to check on the person offering the training before parting with your money. Sorry, but it is your responsibility as noted in Caviat Emptor........

[skip]

I love the idea. If iyt worked as it should, if everyone played "fair" it would be an invlauable resource.

Everyone doesnt play fair.

How do we know the compliner even attended the training?

How do we know that several complaints arent all comming from the same source?

How do we know the guy who thinks it was the best training that ever was isnt the trainer himself using our space and credibility for advertising?

How do you suppose those type issues would be sorted out?

skip

[Simple Guy]

Skip,

Despite (and also because of) your valid questions, it's vital that
the highest level of care be taken to ensure that complaints
are addressed fairly. This requires people, resources and commitment.

[welshguymikey2]

i my opinion i wouldnt worry too much, its annoying yes but so long as it dosent happen alot and you do it frequently then it will still work.
The question is do you believe you are cured yet? the cd isnt always necessary for everyone and there are several reasons why a cd may be issued:
1) to reinforce what the hypnotherapist has already done just to make sure that it last long term
2) you may already have been cured long term but as an insurance policy the hypnotherapist has given you this tape so that if you ever asked for a refund he would question you about the cd and if you were ever interupted, it may also say in small print somthing like you must listen to it atleast once a week while dropping off to sleep.

Please dont think i am saying dont listen to the tape, the tapes are very helpful indeed just dont worry over getting interupted once or twice.