Starting out with scripts

[Nemesis Rogue]

Okay,

I've been going through the scripts on this site and I have a couple of questions.

1) I was taught a couple of basic trance inductions. As these seemed to work, can I just keep the same and alter the content?
2) If so, why the need to learn the various patterns?
3) Do the experienced hypnos here use the same handful or do you mix and match a variety?
4) If so, how do you decide which to use and when?
5) As words like "deeper", the use of imagery (descending elevators/steps) and bringing out of trance to immediately put them back under all deepen the hypnotic state then again, isn't it just simply a case of use one basic induction (or create your own) and just add the elements as and when required?

Finally.........

As I am new to this, and am still practicing, I feel the urge to warn my subjects that I am new so it may not work. Whether I do, or don't, they know this is the case. Either way, is this likely to have an adverse effect on success if they aren't fully confident in me or if I show a lack of confidence in myself?

[Don]

1) If it works for you, yes. If it doesn't work, no.
2) Because different clients respond differently, and because I don't want to spend a half-hour doing an induction when I could be using it for suggestions, metaphors, etc.
3) I use many.
4) As a result of my experience with clients, I judge what I think will work the best for a particular client.
5) No. Each client is an individual. I work with what I think will work the best with a particular client.

If you tell them it "may not work," chances are it may not work. Why not tell them, if you insist, that you are newly trained and therefore use the latest methods which make hypnosis easier, quicker, and more successful?

[skip]

You mean those hundreds of inductions you did with different subjects in training didnt leave you with any confidence that you could do this?

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[Nemesis Rogue]

I did 3 in training!
Plus half a day on stage hypnosis stuff like instant inductions, forgetting their own name but most people later revealed they were pretending so as not to hurt the feelings of the person doing the induction.

[Merlin]

>I feel the urge to warn my subjects that I am new so it may not work.

Bad.
This invites failure.

[Beagle]

Why do you need this information? Does the hypnosis school you took you training at not teach this. OR are you just a person who read a book or two and figures to make a few bucks? GET PROPER HYPNOSIS TRAINING, DONT FOOL AROUND WITH SOMETHING YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!
A persons mental health is at stake, would you like to be treated by some one with YOUR level of training....I doubt it.

A Beagle in the know.

[Nemesis Rogue]

Truly, if you were a beagle in the know, you would not have posted as you did, in the manner that you did.

I owe you no answers or validation of any kind - certainly not after your post.

[Nemesis Rogue]

By the way, congratulations are in order. Having had my confidence built up enough by Merlin, Poodle, Lane and Don to the point where I was ready to take my place as a therapist, you've come along and just crushed all that.

Well done.

And by the way, if you read my post, you'd have inferred the answers to all of your questions.

[Nemesis Rogue]

Hi,

Just two more questions.

1) When the client is under and you are planting the suggestion, how do you know when you've done enough. Eg: is it enough to just say "from now on, you will no longer want a cigarette. They will taste horrible". Would you need to repeat and repeat, mention other things?

I've used smoking here, and I could find a script to be spoon fed but I'm talking about in general - on a plethora of client issues.

2) Some hypnotherapists provide multiple sessions, especially around alcohol and smoking, yet I was trained that only one session is ever needed for any issue if the UM really wants to change. If so then ehy the need for multiple sessions? Would I be setting myself (and my client) up for a fall by believing just one session is required?


Thx in advance.

[Merlin]

Future pace.

[Poodle]

What makes you think Beagle knows all the answers. YES, we do like live training. You have had your NLP training and can do many things with it! Get off you behind and go do it! Pood

[Poodle]

EVERY client is DIFFERENT! Learn that lesson first. Second Rapport. Everyone has their own reasons for smoking and quitting. Work with them -- not against them. Some are 1, some are 2, some may be 3 and some dissappear off of the face of the earth because they never really wanted to in the first place. Apparently your teachers were very rigid. Clients are flexible. Work with them. Listen to them. Use what they say to you.

[Terry (existing)]

First of all my friend, if you allow someone online whom you know nothing of to CRUSH YOU, Lord help us, you lack something. Now I often kick ass when someone asks a damn fool question that they could have found the answer to without bothering us, but I do not feel yours was such, so I am going to give you some advice. From what you have told us, you are what is often called, a weekend warrior, ie, have had inadequate training, hence your lack of confidence. Now you can stay that way until such time as you gain confidence, or you can take more training to speed things up. Asking on this board however will get you little, since we are unable to do much for you at a distance. I respect the fact that you tell others of your lack of experience and skill, but fact is, doing so will cause you to fail often. My advice would be to continue to study, and NEVER to deal with a problem you have doubts you can handle. That way, you fail no-one, and keep your own self respect. However, if you choose to attempt to deal with a theraputic situation as things are, you could indeed do harm, which I imagine would leave you desolate, so stay practising only until such time as you can confidently offer your skilled services to others. What you have learned to date can be built on, so all is not lost.

[Merlin]

I'd rather trust a poodle ;)

[Merlin]

Trust your poodle!

[Nemesis Rogue]

Thanks Merlin, I've not laighed so hrad for ages. I trust my Poodle. I trust my Pood! :D

Terry, you are spot on about the crushing comment. Thankfully it didn't. After I felt the kick I immediately retaliated and thought of various combinations including "who the **** are you to comment on me?", "you're wrong, I'm right" and the time honoured classic "**** off, dickhead!" :)

I am quite pleased with my training. And by one of the most respected trainers in the land. It's just been a while and I took some knocks early on (by practicing on friends - which is a no no). Since posting, I've amazed myself by how much has stayed in the old grey matter.

Overall, I am just too damn inquisitive! Whereas most people accept what they're told, I'm like "what about this....? What if this happens....? Have you ever come across...?" etc.

But you are right, I won't ever go out until I am confident. But that moment is just around the corner. And yes, I will limit to what I feel congruent with and stay within the Scope of Practice.

[Nemesis Rogue]

Great advice Pood - in all your posts. Very motivating!

[welshguymikey]

[quote=Nemesis Rogue]

1) I was taught a couple of basic trance inductions. As these seemed to work, can I just keep the same and alter the content?
2) If so, why the need to learn the various patterns?
3) Do the experienced hypnos here use the same handful or do you mix and match a variety?
4) If so, how do you decide which to use and when?
5) As words like "deeper", the use of imagery (descending elevators/steps) isn't it just simply a case of use one basic induction (or create your own) and just add the elements as and when required?
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1) you can adapt your inductions if you want to, so long as they keep the element, relaxation or in instant inductions surprise
2) Different patterns work best on different people to an extent, an instant induction like throwing someone backwards as they do on some stage hypnosis shows is not usually the best way to do it in therapy
3) well i wouldnt considor myself an experienced hypnotist, but yes i will keep a handful generally
4) personally i think it is best to ask the client what they think will work for them. if they think they have to go to sleep then quite simpky bore them to death with somthing really repetetive and try to overload their counscious by playing music at the same time, if they think hypnosis is snap the fingers then do that and use a deepner to keep them in that state. pay attention to whether they are auditary or visual etc tho or alternativly you can be lazy and just say things like "...i want you to see, taste hear and smell evrything in this room..." and "its almost as if...." that way you dont need to know whether they are auditary etc
5) almost correct, as a hypnotist you have to be able to improvise by adding elements etc, but also follow all the points i have already mentioned