Could someone help me reaching my dream?

[Blink91]

Hey,

I know this is asked several times(cuz I searched whole forum).First of all sorry for my English,I'm from Belgium and English is like my 4th language or something.

Last year I got intrested in hypnosis but I didn't learn anything about it because I hadn't much time(reason:school).Did some small stuff and it was really amazing what someones mind can do :)

1)Ok my main question is could I grow taller with hypnosis?I just need something like 2-3 inches.I could do it with surgery or someting but that's not really safe isn't it?
Why I need it?It's not really confidence,but my dream was to become a model.

2)If it is possible which steps should I take,in other words how to reach my goal?

3)Is it important if my grow plates are fused or not?Btw I'm 18 and 10 months now.

4)Last question:did anyone here help someone grow?

Last thing,please answer only if you know what you are talking about.
I think there are quite some experts here or at least skilled.F.e Merlin,Don,...(forgot some names).
So no ''You should be happy with your height blablabla'' please.That's not really helping people with their problem believe me.

This is REALLY important for me

[Connie]

So no ''You should be happy with your height blablabla'' please.That's not really helping people with their problem believe me.

What makes you think you've finished growing naturally at age 18?

I agree with your aversion to you SHOULD be happy...but you COULD be happy, now... that, I like! :)

[domain]

What makes you think you've finished growing naturally at age 18?

I agree with your aversion to you SHOULD be happy...but you COULD be happy, now... that, I like! :)
Would not.

[Poodle]

There are different types of modeling and each requires a different height.

The high fashion runway modeling is 5'9" and SKINNY -- most of these ladies about starve to death so they can work. Doesn't sound like fun to me. What about you?

Photographer's model - about 5'7" and one is allowed to eat. Lots and lots of opportunities

Lingerie modeling -- same about 5'7"

You have not told us WHY this modeling is sooo very important to you. You can go to University and have a real career, can you not? Modeling is generally a very short term career. You have not told us how tall you are right now.

Growing taller REQUIRES a hypnotherapist with amazing knowledge of the human body. It is NOT A DO IT YOURSELF project and laden with many possible dangers. It would get very, very expensive very, very fast. This leads me to believe you know less about hypnosis than you currently 'think' you do. You are only 18. Give your body a chance!! The "average" height for ladies your age in the USA is almost 5'5". What is it in Belgium?

Have you even studied modeling yet?

Be well~Pood :pood:

[Merlin]

are you a man or woman?
what is your current height?
what is your estradiol level? women have more than men. that's why they're shorter.
estradiol promotes bone end 'fusing'

as i told connie:
... would involve lengthening bones
dangerous to tamper with bones like that after the bone ends fuse.
not impossible, just unpredictable. [remember my sig line]
the mind will obey and not consider consequences such as bone density/strength.
bone is also a storehouse for minerals.
therefore you're also affecting heart/lungs/liver/hormones/etc.
it's just very complex.

[mojczak]

Im interested in the fourth question as well. I have myself contacted a couple of hypnosis guild and associations and they wouldn't let me know if there were qualified people for this kind of problematics. And surfing through the web I have found none in either. Sounding somewhat like a specialist, Merlin, I bet you may know one or two other people who are qualified in this area of application in hypnosis. Could you refer him/her, me, someone to it? Personnally I am deeply interested and ever since I first came with the question on this board no one has been taking the time, ever, to pronounce clearly in favor of someone or could clearly identify or make me contact one such person who performs such with height growth and otherwise bone modifications. Has every one of you any fear that it might be discrediting for an hypnostist's profession?

Thanks.

[skip]

mojczak,

The people, whom you are looking for, are in a position to pick and choose their clients, if that is their desire. And most do, or so I assume.

I know I do.

And for me it is because of two major things.

One, experience shows, most of these folks start out with a straight forward request, and then when I agree to help, they add on an incredible shopping list of things they want, and then they typically wont follow instructions.

And two, I dont need the money. Which is good because many of them claim they are too poor to pay for it.

So often what I see is a prospective client profile that looks like this:

1. someone who claims they cannot pay
2. who is so full of self loathing they would like to change everything about themselves.
3. and they wont do what I ask them to do.

In short, someone who is looking for a wizard; to wave a magic wand, while they eat bon bons by the pool.

My experience is, "It isnt nearly as difficult to find a hypnotist who can do it; as it is to find a client who will."

Now I am not suggesting

that specifically applies to you.

cheers,

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[mojczak]

Two things I wish to point out. I am still puzzled by the exact nature of analysis of some hypnotists and NLPers I have either spoke to or paid with whatever cash I could find. As they often seem unable to cope with focus problems and attention problems and often associate it with a conscious will of doing nothing while the said client (in this situatioin me, because I do not know much clients) struggle to catch, indeed lost in self-loathing, and in perpetual headache. Or simply unable to understand or to see any result in the religiously-followed instructions in any way they are expecting or thinking it might manifest. (and religiously followed because in its state, couldnt really figure out what you were expecting; and I am, again today, not sure if I could really understand what you were expecting). Now maybe expectations might be a serious issue but I have rarely seen anyone trying to confront them or give me a way to manipulate them to actually give the desired result. The little much I did I had to do it on my own.

As for the straightforward problem becoming empiric.

Have you ever considered that the said clients weren't necessarily looking for the thing they were asking, unconsciously just trying to verbalise a way out of their negative situation, more couldnt really point by themselves the root of the problem from which all their "wishes" originated.

Well, now, if it doesnt apply specifically to me I do see where it does apply more globally, politically-correctly so. As usual.


I would say more, but indeed it would get way more into the personal than the global and is more subject to private message than anything else.

[skip]

First. I cannot, nor did I speak, to specific problems you may or may not have had with hypnosis or NLP, or any other type of therapy. I dont know you, nor have I corrosponded with you. I told you about my experience with my clients, and related experiences that have been communicated to me by other professionals over the years. While I tend to adopt the BELIEF that any failure is the fault of the hypnotist, not the client, for specific reasons, I also ACCEPT the reality that if IMO the client will not do anything to help themselves, I feel no obligation to accept or continue with them as a client.


Second. I am glad you brought up the notion that people may not always be asking for what they really want or need. After decades in this field, I have seen this more times than you can imagine. Have you ever considered it as applying to yourself? Change ripples throughout your life and the lives of those around you. Has it ever occurred to you that people who have been in this field long enough to be skilled enough to do what you are asking for, may have some insight that you do not as to the desirability of the changes you are requesting?


Now you came here and said, "I have myself contacted a couple of hypnosis guild and associations and they wouldn't let me know if there were qualified people for this kind of problematics. And surfing through the web I have found none in either."

WOW you did all that? Thanks for the progress report. Now what do you intend to do?

And mojczak, before you put fingers to keyboard ...

If it is your intent to offer me a tirade on how helpless you are, dont waste your time. You can be sure I wont waste mine.

I hope this is of some benifit to someone, if not the recipent.

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[mojczak]

Well it is your choice to live in purposeful denial of our correspondance or outright loss of memory, that is not my concern. I indeed did not care much to write a tirade here, I think you are over-evaluating your impact.

I really do hope it does help people to find what they seek. I am just tired to realise, that on this very topic, on this board, no one has been able to really give more help than throw them virtual bouts' of theory in their face without giving them much advise other than "you don't really need to grow heigher", or "yes it exists, somewhere but I can't tell, it's a secret" or even "they are everywhere, but can you, really?". Given the means I would point this to people, even if they choose their said "clients".

"WOW you did all that? Thanks for the progress report. Now what do you intend to do?"
- Well, afterall maybe you did wanted me to give you the satisfaction of a tirade on my state and all these awesome plants I put in the ground. But like earlier said, this is pointless (and not to say not entirely applicable today) for most people who would come and read. So, I may or may not be disapointing you. As its said in communication, this statement was merely here to underline the difficulty of being trying to get the requested help my mainstream channels, and not to pinpoint my particular case. You read, what you want to read tho.

"Has it ever occurred to you that people who have been in this field long enough to be skilled enough to do what you are asking for, may have some insight that you do not as to the desirability of the changes you are requesting?"
- Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. I am not one, and I especially don't pretend I can predict an emotially hurting person's truest desires a limpidly as I could see through clear water. And I think that most people that would pretend being able to would be very wrong of doing so. There may be exceptions tho, about very insighful people. But insight is not merely created through experience alone. It is rather a proper disposition of the mind to be able to see what you need to undestand what there is. And like I said, I don't know which disposition it is, as I think I never really had it, and could not recognise if yes or no someone has it. But I can imagine, if it suits better.

[Poodle]

has a very definite point here as I ONLY ACCEPT clients with whom I wish to work also. The remainder are referred on. I do not need the money either and if I did, I would be teaching, not working with everyone that calls.

I also remember telling you I would contact an instructor in your area and ask her to read a very certain book and I do know she wants MONEY IN RETURN FOR HER hypnosis, TLT and Reiki SERVICES. How much, I could not even guess. After you graduate from University are you going to help everyone for FREE and have no money for shelter, food or clothes for yourself?

Terry (in Alberta) that you soooo dislike helps all people with cancer for FREE. He is curing people from cancer, one at a time. So very sad you did not appreciate his brillance.

Pood :)

[Vin]

Has anyone experience with the book "school of height" by a russian doctor (or phyisiologist)?
You can google that.

As a side note, I accept to work with people:
- I like
- with money and the willing to give that to me
- with a SPECIFIC "problem"
- who accept I am the pilot
- have a "problem" I am confident I can resolve (otherwise it is an experiment, which I like more, but you do not pay for that).

Vin

[Poodle]

Rethink that one please. If your "experiment" works, you don't get paid? You spend all this money on coming the the USA, taking two classes at the same time and buying every book you can find and read for about one solid year. Where is your payback love? People (generalization) value free work as basically worthless whereas if you said: I just read this amazing book about _____ and I'm quite sure we can change things around for you. My fee will be more as this is more complex work. Your client just may put some effort into the change then.

What do you think?

Hugs~Pood ;)

[parsa]

People have the right to be paid for the service they provide.

Having this in mind the question of whether a person does not appreciate something that is free is kind of tricky.

I was thinking in general there could be a cultural aspect to it. If you come from a country with a lot of corruption where people don't do anything unless they get something out of it, if someone gives you something for free, or does something for you without there seemingly being anything in it for them, it could actually mean a whole lot to a lot of people.

Could it be that in the US and other western countries there is an association with free/cheap and worthless/garbage?

[mojczak]

Well, I'd like to point that this is becoming a bit off-topic and not very useful for the person who made a few simple inqueries. It's great to have conversations but boards are also wonderful in the fact that you can classify your conversation and make them multilinear and simultaneous, not like in normal human to human conversation. This is a feature not enough exploited here. But even tho it's interesting I could suggest that you start a topic about work and renumeration, which was not my intend when I pointed these unrelated facts.

[Poodle]

Your last paragraph says it all!

Interesting - I thought this thread was started by Blink instead of Mojczak.

Now parsa, I know you have an excellent education. I know that you pay rent or condo dues and I am very sure you buy groceries. How much, if any, of this comes free? In The USA we do believe in friends helping friends and family helping family. You will never have to worry as you are very, very rich in that category. You are an exceedingly sweet and kind lady. :love:

On another subject, I have not heard yet. I know the Senate is working hard on doing 'something' with healthcare. It will come!! My fingers are crossed and Bliss has her paws crossed.

Hugs~Pood :pood:

[parsa]

Thanks Pood, for the compliments. And right back atcha :)

First to make something clear, my intention was not to say that people should, or under any obligation to give away their services, whatever they maybe, for free.

Aside from the fact that maintaining being alive costs money, there is no reason to demand someone give you something for free or at a reduced price for that matter, no matter what they want to do with their money.

I was just trying to explore the equation free=worthless.

But I guess mojczak is right, maybe this thread is not the place to talk about this.

[mojczak]

Well, poodle, I meant no disrespect. I just spoke in knowledge of the situation. It's really mind bugging to search something on the forum with exploded threads while what you say is no less interesting it just make easier to be read and to communicate your ideas. I really think this is an advantage that people could use to know (and maybe after a few good threads on repetitive subjects you could have an FAQ thread leading to other very well made threads of commune answers to the questions asked). Or simply to be in the place of blink, to ask something, and see the whole thread recuperated. Kinda of gives you a "blah blah, speak but we have better things to talk about over here" when you are in his/her position.

[mojczak]

Still, to stay in subject. Of course, essentially no one wants to work with someone they don't want to work. Otherwise they wouldn't be doing so. But I don't see where it should interfere with someone's potential to find a therapist and ask him or her for help. Which is a lacking ressource at this moment.

I'd say more things about the money part if anyone started a topic tho.

[skip]

mojczak,

I suspect you are right about people not working with people they dont wish to work with.

And given that you ARE correct ...

If someone was searching for others to talk to them or lead them to somewhere; and they were unable to get others to cooperate in that endeavor ...

What possible conclusions might be drawn?

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[skip]

What if it is?

That is the beauty of these forums, one concept leads to another.

Thoughts and learning arent linear.

Stop complaining and start another thread if it is so important to you.

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[mojczak]

Several conclusions. Among which, one that is regrettable: some people are taking the disposition to judge of other people dispositions toward a "case" or several. By avoiding communication to take place you nullify any possibility for the help seeker to "defend" its case with others.

The problem in general brings other several problems deontologically and there would be several other conclusions and questionnings to be drawn from such a behaviour. Notably, are some kind of personalities being avoided, why, arent they also the result of conditionning, shouldnt it be in the will of someone who has the power to and the knowledge of a peculiar theory such as that of PNL "everybody is created and can be recreated" to try to help even those it dislikes for personal reasons. Can personal reasons be therapeuthic. If so, and if globally some therapists are drawn for certain reasons, and some kind of people drawn for a certain kind of help in certains circumstances can we imagine that maybe we might find recuring persoanlity conflicts as well. Are Hypnotherapists lacking deontology and ethics in a wider sense (and thus would justify the critics that most of my medicine student friends are making here in quebec, I don't know if thats the case anywhere else in the world) which would, to make veeeery shot, justify to classify them as a selfish act of profitable "clemency" and moral support, more kin to voodoo than any real application of care thoughts. And I could clearly go on and on. What are your conclusions?

[Vin]

Mojzak,
this is interesting. Apparently a medical doctor has to work with anyone. In reality, it happens that MD, just like other people, provide a different service to different people (you know, as someone said, perfection is not of this world...). Not specifically talking about emergency situations.
Personally, I like to dislike some people, while not trying to bring the torch of truth. So, I prefer to refer them out, because I know that consciuosly or unconsciously I'll probably provide a sub-par service. And while sometimes I dislike, I always try to respect.

Vin

[mojczak]

Thoughts arent linear. Language can be and should be if you want to be understood, just needs a little bit of methodology. Boards have awesome functionality that would help people find information more easily, I don't see, why as professionals in your fields, you wouldnt like to have: myths openly destroyed, information being accessible for people requiring it. What are the objectives of communication? To wander in thoughts or to be understood? Indeed one concept can lead to another, and you are one click away from exposing it in a new thread, putting the other idea in quotes.

[Merlin]

Mojzak,
this is interesting. Apparently a medical doctor has to work with anyone.

by law?
yet many of us 'are not taking new patients'
In reality, it happens that MD, just like other people, provide a different service to different peopleyup

i refer out when the patient's outcome ecology doesn't match mine.

[Poodle]

Where I live, Medical Doctors pick and choose even more so than we do.

Many refuse to work with anyone 65 or over as they do not want to wait months for their money and play the paperwork game with the Federal Government.

Some refuse to work with anyone that has insurance from 'ABC insurance company'. There is always a list of other people that would like to get in.

[Connie]

COMPLETELY off topic here (because I enjoy poking some people)...

but, did you read about the giant hypnowheel in the sky over Norway yesterday? It was magnificent.

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/ww/news/2009/12/10/121009spiral-pd.jpg

I choose who I work with. And whose posts I read on a forum board. And I think it's fine to wander from topic to topic to topic and say whatever the hell comes into my mind within any particular thread like a bee pollinating a flower bed. :)

[Vin]

Where I live (Italy), I am almost sure that a MD working for the state cannot refuse any client, at least if the MD is competent for the case.
It is surely different to the US and probably from England, too. We do not have, in general, any medical insurance (I know it sounds strange to US people).
Let's say, someone has a tumor, he/she gets directed to the oncology department at the (public, where 90% of people are getting "cured") hospital, the MD cannot say: "I won't work with that guy because we do not share the same perspective on his/her chances of recovery" or "I am Christian, he/she is Muslim".
So, the hypnotist/psychologist/therapist can for sure discriminate a lot more.

Vin

[Merlin]

it's easy to do
you'd just never know it

[skip]

mojczak,

As I suspected, you completely missed the only relevant conclusion.

How could you do that, and more importantly, how could I know you would miss it?

You blamed everyone else for the individual not having success.

You never considered that the individual could take it upon themselves to assume responsibility, for their life, and their success, and say to themself (whether true or not) "I am doing something that causes me to get the (non)result that I am getting. Therefore I will change my behavior and keep adjusting it, until I do get the result I want."

That is the difference between someone who chooses to be a victim ("Oh woe is me they did, or didnt, and I can do nothing about it.") and someone who claims their power ("I dont yet know what I am doing that prevents them from giving me what I want, but I am going to find out, and change it.")

Now assuming that an answer is out there, which individual is going to be the one to find it?

The one who says, "They wont give it to me." or the one who says, "I havent figured out yet how to get them to tell me."

I'll give you this hint. The one who says, "They wont give it to me." is right.

Earlier in this thread, I asked you a question, one which you completely ignored, and one which, in the way you didnt answer, told me all I needed to know about why you arent going to get what you want.

Are you interested in what it was?

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