Dave Elman's Self-Hypnosis Method

[.Paul]

Hi there...

I've been listening to Dave Elman's tape recordings and reading his book in which he describes his self hypnosis method. Which, by thw way, he recommends people should practise for 5 minutes a day for two weeks to get good at it. The basic gist of the method is:
1) Say "green" (this is your trigger for going into suggestion mode)
2) Close eyes and pretend they can't open (this is the critical faculty bypass)
3) Give suggestion (anesthesia was the example used in the recordings)
4) Say "green" again (the trigger for coming out), open eyes, and notice the effects of the suggestion

There was a little more to it than that, but thats the basic gist.

What I'm a little confused about is this:
if the eye-closure is supposed to bypass the critical faculty, how are you supposed to have the critical awareness to give yourself the suggestion, without un-bypassing the CF?

I've heard Merlin and others recommend pre-suggestion as a way around this problem. However, Elman's method obviously works from the results his students display on the tape.

I'm just wondering how this is.

Thanks,

Paul

[nUnregistered]

Paul,


this isn't a answer to your question but what book of Dave's did you get and where and what tapes did you get?

Jim R

[.Paul]

The book I'm talking about is "Hypnotherapy" ... and the tapes are called... ummmm.. oh yeah, "Findings in Hypnosis" .. you can get that from Westwood Publishing's website.

Paul

[Poodle]

I have a good friend that uses the regular Dave Elman Induction on himself. He says it works wonderfully. Since you supposedly have the tapes or CD's now, you can hear how he does it and copy it. It's fast - about a whole minute - and you are in trance. Being in trance doesn't accomplish much if you do not know how to "talk" to your subconscious mind. Obtaining trance is easy for any skilled hypnotist but what is difficult is what you want to accomplish while there and usually for how long. You need to make a recording of what you want your subconscious to hear and this needs to be in a language that your SC understands. Then emerge yourself.

Basically Elman's ideas were eye catel., fractionation, and suggested mental amnesia. The suggested mental amnesia would be pretty hard to do to yourself IMO. Pood

[Don]

Paul, from your post I would guess that you've never been hypnotized by someone. As a result, you can only guess what hypnosis is like.

My suggestion: go to a local hypnotist and ask to be hypnotized so you can feel and learn what it's like. Then use the Elman or any other system to reproduce that sensation.

[Merlin]

Elman's method can work.
I just try to make it easier for beginners.

[.Paul]

Thanks for the reply Merlin..

So if one were to use eye-catelepsy as the CF bypass, would you say that it is best to give the suggestion before closing the eyes?

I know you recommend seeing a hypnotherapist to lean self-hypnosis, but if someone were to practise a tweaked version of the Elman self-hypnosis this way for 2 weeks, would this be ok:

1) Give suggestion

2) Get eye-catelepsy and stay like that for 1 minute

3) Emerge

Would practising this 50 times a day for 2 weeks like Elman says be a worthwhile venture?

Or am I missing something?

Thanks in advance :)

[Merlin]

>Would practising this 50 times a day for 2 weeks like Elman says be a worthwhile venture?

Yes.