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HypnoToad

04-02-2006, 03:33 AM

I know my answer; I wanted your expert opinion on it.

I downloaded the full version on torrent file using peer 2 peer technology.

The full version lets you do up to 60 min a session with many different settings changes, including increasing/decreasing length of stages or changing what is said in any of the stages. Removing background music or adding more. You can add you own suggestions or induction method or download more free.
If anyone wants the full version send me a private message and ill send you the torrent file. The program is only 15Mb.

Jack

04-02-2006, 03:52 AM

I know I know that you hate those Cd's that are not designed for the individual, mass produced and they put you out of a job.

What do you think of this, I just download a full version one hour ago? It has many setting that are fully adjustable.

Not much.

Jack

Merlin

04-02-2006, 01:23 PM

You have it all wrong.
We don't like the mass CDs because they mostly don't work.

MissPiggy

04-02-2006, 01:25 PM

I know I know that you hate those Cd's that are not designed for the individual

Not true, I don't hate them, I just don't care much about them.

If anyone wants the full version send me a private message and ill send you the torrent file

Never ever would I download something from a website I don't know. Not interested in viruses and stuff like that.

Terry (existing)

04-02-2006, 03:12 PM

HypnoToad

04-02-2006, 03:59 PM

[quote=Never ever would I download something from a website I don't know. Not interested in viruses and stuff like that.[/quote]

I run standard tests on all new software which includes running it on a virtual machine, spy ware and anti virus.
Just for you I have also examined the way the software interacts with the registry, file system, network, and OS. And I am very happy it is not a virus spy ware and/or sticky software.

Merlin

04-02-2006, 04:23 PM

And did you check for thought viruses?
How?
Or do you just blindly trust?

Mentalius

04-03-2006, 05:36 AM

Yes, Terry, I guess you´re the only one...

I am most pleased that I have a chance to take a look at merchandice before spending my money. There is so much crap out there, lots of people who claim far more than they can fullfill.

If I have the chance to get a free tryout, or version, and then - if it´s worth it - I am most happy to buy it. The net is great for many things, marketing is absolutely one of the things that cuts both ways.

Poodle

04-03-2006, 12:41 PM

The net does NOT cut both ways. There is only one kind of hypnosis - live with a hypnotist or a very skilled NLP practitioner. This crap they peddle on the web is just to take your money without giving you anything in return. If you have worked with a hypnotist and that hypnotist gives you a CD or tape made especially for you, it will work as s/he knows you and your issues and knows what needs to be the meat and potatoes let alone how to reinduce you. The remainder is just "wishful thinking". I know many hypnotists are now selling "their" products and I find it a crying shame. I hope and pray to never sink that low and uphold the ethics of my profession. I just read one script in a very important trade journal and it is "guaranteed to put anyone to sleep". Okay. What do you do when they wake up again in an hour or so? Doesn't seem to address that problem. Don't have a clue as to why the person doesn't sleep but just give them a script on a CD and they will. RIGHT!!

AnthonyM83

04-03-2006, 03:52 PM

Am I the only one who finds the attitude of the young to be irritating in the extreme? Is it normal that they are always looking for the freebee, or that short cut that will save them time which they waste so readily anyway? I find the attitude of Toad to be insulting to me and to those who so readily give of their time to help others without charge. So much so, that he is now on my ignore list, as will be anyone who assumes that we have an axe to grind, and that the axe is money.For many students, a freebee is the only way they're going to get anything. Also, many don't know the difference in effects between a recording and a live session (or a more expensive recording).

Freebees was how I got started in hypnosis and many other things and I won't forget the people who made that possible. Some I've been able to repay in other ways and some I'll just have to repay by giving freebees to others, helping them like I've been helped.

Poodle

04-03-2006, 07:40 PM

Most of us do believe in helping people for free. We support the communities we live in. I, for example, work with cancer patients undergoing chemo or radiation for free. AIDS patients are free and so is rape trauma for women. It's not all about gimme - gimme but how best to help people. I highly suspect I am not the only practitioner that does this either.

Sky

04-04-2006, 07:01 AM

If hypnosis is my profession and I give it all away, how am I to feed my kids? How many electricians do you know who do freebies, or doctors? Sure, I think it's great and important to do pro bono work, but if this is my profession, how would anyone take me serious if all I did was freebies. "Value" is a two sided coin.

And to be honest, it has been my experience that many who get "freebies" don't take it as seriously as paying clients... so who is really loosing? Just my two cents.. :)

AnthonyM83

04-04-2006, 07:46 AM

No, no, no one is saying to give it all (or most or half or a even quarter) away, rather that freebies can be useful and sometimes one of limited options for certain people.

While paying if they could afford it would give them more benefits, a freebee would usually help them more than simply getting nothing....so if they went for one, I wouldn't blame them.

Jack

04-04-2006, 11:54 AM

Sky, you are right. You should only do pro bono work if you can afford to, or if you want to - there can be no argument about that, you family comes first. But when you are rich, I hope that you will consider doing a little; not only does it help people who often cannot help themselves, but it is very good for the giver in all sorts of ways.

As for commercial CDs - some work and some do not. Some are the work of charlatans and others are genuine attempts to help people who cannot afford therapy fees. Sorting out which is which is the problem.

Jack

skip

04-04-2006, 01:13 PM

AnthonyM83,

You are correct, there are many people who dont have a lot of 'discretionary' money. And assuming that money for therapy or learning is really discretionary, you have a point.

I suspect where the point is being mised in one of two areas, perhaps both.

1. Lack of money doesn't equal entitlement.

2. It is my choice, and my choice only, if, and how, I choose to donate my time, talent, and or money.

While the govt. may be able to come to my house and confiscate money at gun point (Which is precisely what will occurr if you dont pay your taxes "voluntarily."), people who just show up on some web site, and demand the same, go straight to that list I keep that you cant get off of.

does that clarify any?

skip

Sky

04-04-2006, 01:22 PM

Sky, you are right. You should only do pro bono work if you can afford to, or if you want to - there can be no argument about that, you family comes first. But when you are rich, I hope that you will consider doing a little; not only does it help people who often cannot help themselves, but it is very good for the giver in all sorts of ways.
Jack
Hi Jack,
I'm not rich, "yet".. LOL :) and already do pro bono work. I also do some barter work. It does feel good... However, I still think there needs to be some exchange of energy, for lack of better word, for the client to place a value on the effort.. Not 100% of the time, of course.. but more often than not.

Terry (existing)

04-04-2006, 02:23 PM

Hi Jack,
I'm not rich, "yet".. LOL :) and already do pro bono work. I also do some barter work. It does feel good... However, I still think there needs to be some exchange of energy, for lack of better word, for the client to place a value on the effort.. Not 100% of the time, of course.. but more often than not. And my experience bears you out. Not only that, but all too often we get incompetents trying to do the work we do and failing because that is how they learned. Anthony is lacking experience it would seem, and thinks all that is needed is information in order to be good at hypnosis. He is overlooking respect for what can be accomplished when learned properly, and done properly. Anthony, if you can;t afford it, you are likely a student or indigent. In either case, we don;t want you messing with someone's mind. This is not rude, nor is it cheap of us, it is respect for a profession. Try getting freebees from your doctor, and recognise that our work is just as important, and sometimes more important to the recipient.

HypnoToad

04-04-2006, 03:52 PM

As for commercial CDs - some work and some do not. Some are the work of charlatans and others are genuine attempts to help people who cannot afford therapy fees. Sorting out which is which is the problem.

Jack

Is there any hope for online session or CD’s?
I have read somewhere stage hypnotist use only the most suggestible people because of time constraints. Is this the kind of people that the CDs will work on?

With a more customized version of these like SHARM, it must be possible that it would work on a bigger slice of the population.

I would also like to apologize for offending anyone on this site. That was not my intension.

skip

04-04-2006, 04:22 PM

HypnoToad,

Certainly not everyone who offers Hypnosis CD's is a charlatan. In fact most arent.

I'm going to say something ugly here, but the fact is, sadly, many cd's are just as effective, as lots of the hypnotists out there. Many of the so called schools are simply producing a "living CD", who regurgitates an induction, and a 'scripted' work session, at the client, which doesnt, at any time, take into account the individual in front of them. The people who are so adamant about not liking CD's might ought consider that as well.

And if my personal experience is representative, and if you can count the percentage of requests for the money back guarante, as a success/failure rate, then better than 95% would be the success rate. (I dont think it is fair to count that as the success rate, but it IS the return request rate.)

That said:

1. All hypnosis CD's arent equal. That's obvious.

2. The provider of a hypnosis CD has no control over how the product is used, whether or not, it is used according to instructions. A good (smart, clever) provider is going to have built in some method of enhancing the likelyhood that the product will be used according to instructions.

3. My experience is that some problems, like stress, and such, are very ameanable to a blanket hypnosis CD type approach. By that, I mean that virtually everyone gets SOME relief, even if everyone doesnt get "full" relief. That's is an important caveat.

4. Nothing will ever replace, one on one, with a good qualified hypnotherapast, who understands the synergistic relationship between client and 'provider'. People are individuals, problems are unique, and blanket, one script covers all, type approaches simply arent tailored, they cannot be. That is mitigated somewhat by a very few providers who understand that, and structure their approach, in such a way, as to 'give the client room' to still respond as an individual. That represents a level of skill most CD providers simply dont have, or care to develop.

That said.

The number one, recommended, preferred, method; is live, one on one, with someone competent. Period. Full stop.

Anything less, is just that, less.

cheers,

skip

AnthonyM83

04-04-2006, 06:21 PM

Anthony is lacking experience it would seem, and thinks all that is needed is information in order to be good at hypnosis. He is overlooking respect for what can be accomplished when learned properly, and done properly. Anthony, if you can;t afford it, you are likely a student or indigent. In either case, we don;t want you messing with someone's mind. This is not rude, nor is it cheap of us, it is respect for a profession. Try getting freebees from your doctor, and recognise that our work is just as important, and sometimes more important to the recipient.I'm going to call this out as a side-tracking on Terry's part, but to respond:

I am certainly lacking in experience and have been trying to gain more through practice, trainings, and an internship with a clinical psychologist/hypnotherapist and a second "lay" hypnotherapist, both whom teach at a local hypnotherapy school.

I'm a recent student which is why in the past have not been able to afford a lot things, but peopled helped me along. While there might be a big difference in results from getting a free session and paying for a session, I don't think the difference is as big when attending a free training and attending a paid training (if your interest is strong). Also, learning skills for free is not necessarily improper training (or vice versa).

BUT going back to my previous point: I'm not criticizing people for not giving freebees all the time, but simply defending those who seek them out because of limited options. They will often (not always) gain more with a freebee than from nothing at all.

Terry (existing)

04-04-2006, 11:19 PM

I'm going to call this out as a side-tracking on Terry's part, but to respond:

I am certainly lacking in experience and have been trying to gain more through practice, trainings, and an internship with a clinical psychologist/hypnotherapist and a second "lay" hypnotherapist, both whom teach at a local hypnotherapy school.

I'm a recent student which is why in the past have not been able to afford a lot things, but peopled helped me along. While there might be a big difference in results from getting a free session and paying for a session, I don't think the difference is as big when attending a free training and attending a paid training (if your interest is strong). Also, learning skills for free is not necessarily improper training (or vice versa).

BUT going back to my previous point: I'm not criticizing people for not giving freebees all the time, but simply defending those who seek them out because of limited options. They will often (not always) gain more with a freebee than from nothing at all. No side tracking, no aberations, just facts. I speak from experience, something you will gain in time but lack now. If you want something badly enough you will work hard to get it. I and others here do not exist to pander to idle curiosity, or to offer free training to the unknowns. We respect our art, and personally I was fussy about whom I trained for money, let alone for free. We do not exist to offer even the occassional freebee to strangers about whom we know nothing except what they choose to tell us, truthful or otherwise. I find your protests to be annoying in the exteme, in that they suggest the attitude that we should assist anyone in any way if they ask nicely. Hell, we don;t do that for paying clients. If you were

AnthonyM83

04-04-2006, 11:29 PM

I speak from experience, something you will gain in time but lack now. If you want something badly enough you will work hard to get it. I and others here do not exist to pander to idle curiosity, or to offer free training to the unknowns. We respect our art, and personally I was fussy about whom I trained for money, let alone for free. We do not exist to offer even the occassional freebee to strangers about whom we know nothing except what they choose to tell us, truthful or otherwise. That's a fine argument, but my point was defending the young people who look for freebees. It's often the only thing they can resort to within reason.

I find your protests to be annoying in the exteme, in that they suggest the attitude that we should assist anyone in any way if they ask nicely. Hell, we don;t do that for paying clients. If you wereAbsolutely not, hence my previous post "No, no, no one is saying to give it all (or most or half or a even quarter) away, rather that freebies can be useful and sometimes one of limited options for certain people."

Jack

04-05-2006, 01:56 AM

Skip mentions an important point here:

I'm going to say something ugly here, but the fact is, sadly, many cd's are just as effective, as lots of the hypnotists out there. Many of the so called schools are simply producing a "living CD", who regurgitates an induction, and a 'scripted' work session, at the client, which doesnt, at any time, take into account the individual in front of them.

At a recent seminar I watched an hypnotherapist, also a leading light in a British school, perform therapy on a member of the audience for a phobia. There was no attempt to elicit information from the subject and the induction and 'therapy' were taken straight from a well known book. The therapy failed and the subject still had the phobia at the end of the session, but our hypno-maestro excused this with the usual 'resistant' arguments and blamed the client before moving on to promote his new book.

During the morning tea-break a colleague of mine removed the phobia in around ten minutes, so I did a little checking and found that the maestro rarely does actual therapy, but writes a lot of books about it and also produces CDs.

So, being a little curious I faced the chap up with his failure and his reply was that he 'didn't need to do therapy because he was beyond that stage'. Upon asking what 'stage' he was at he replied ' I'm at the stage where I make money'.

Now, in one way that is fair enough, but in another way it is very disturbing that this 'don't do as I do, do as I say' bloke was actually teaching new hypnos to read scripts, use formula inductions and blame the client if anything went wrong. Unfortunately he was not a member of my professional organisation so there was little I could do.

But with regard to his phobia treatment, a good CD would have filled the same role as he did, and probably have done it better.

Jack

Merlin

04-06-2006, 07:33 PM

Anthony,

Almost every store there is sells aspirin.
From the corner gas station to the grocery store.
and you know what?
ASPIRIN WORKS!!!

The problem is that aspirin doesn't work for everything.
Neither does the freebee hypnosis work for everything.

The problem is in identifying what it will work for.
Most people want the freebee for something they should see a hypnotist in person for.
Too many hypnosis CDs out there promise things that a CD is not suitable for.

You want to shoot hoop better? A CD can help.
You want to be Cancer free? A CD is not the answer.

Understand?

Poodle

04-07-2006, 04:28 PM

Anyone that downloaded the "test" version of this little site please note that it does not completely "uninstall". You will have to do a deep registry scan to get rid of all of it. Sorry but that's the nature of the beast.

Poodle

04-07-2006, 05:17 PM

I know of certain people that can make a dynamite CD but that person has an awful lot of knowledge, beyond most practitioner's. I certainly understand Sky's view as it is coming from Usui Reiki. Dr. Usui was giving his healing away in the slums for free. He kept seeing the same old faces year after year so he came up with the Reiki Principle of "an equal exchange of energy". The Reiki Principles state "I will earn my living HONESTLY." I just read in "our" trade magazine that to get a new practice going, you go speak to civic organizations and sell your CD's. Oh my! Is that not wonderful advice. You speak of the wonders of hypnosis to a whole group while selling a recorded script and you have yet to see HUMAN BEING CLIENT NUMBER ONE! IN HOW MANY WAYS CAN A NEW THERAPIST GO WRONG??? Again, see a previous post there was a script GUARANTEED for insomnia. Now most people I've seen with this problem not only have trouble going to sleep but staying asleep or need to use the restroom and can't go back to sleep but that, of course, is not addressed in the script. Schools need to teach that every human being in the world in unique. If you can't think of anything to say to help that person, send them to someone that can. Scripts can be good tools in giving us an idea or two that we may not have previously considered. Bandler definitely had a point when he came up with "Use Your Brain For a Change".

NUMBER ONE RULE IN HYPNOSIS SHOULD BE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BAD OR DIFFICULT CLIENT. THE FAULT LIES WITH THE LACK OF SKILLS OF THE HYPNOTIST. NOT EVERY CLIENT RESPONDS TO THE SAME INDUCTION SO IT IS POINTLESS TO SAY: "YOU CAN RESIST ME ALL YOU WANT BUT ..." That is the clue for the client to get up and walk out.

Just one of my little pet peeves! Pood

coco

04-13-2006, 09:45 PM

sharm???? as in sharman???

Alonso

04-14-2006, 03:04 AM

Sharm is bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep (bleep).

The truth of the matter is is that it is a bad product idea. It's basically selling people a do it yourself hypnotic track software. Come on, hypnosis is a little more complex than that, making it easy meant making it a waste of time and money to the buyer, not to mention further interest in hypnosis. I just imagine what newcomers to the subject might end up believing about hypnosis, oh man. Wow. I mean, I would not go a mile near hypnosis ever if that's my first experience.

Don't buy Sharm. Come on, we're not really wanting to dj here, just get a good product.