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[blinkingstar]

Hi Guys,

I want to learn hypnosis, I just found this institute in NY,

Just wanted your opinion, how is this institute ?

URL removed, if you want it pm blinkingstar

expecting your opinions,

Thanks,

[Poodle]

Exactly what is it your desire to be - a hypnotist or a certified clinical hypnotist? If you do graduate and pass the test as ACHE Board Certified Hypnotherapist you will have learned a lot. Looks as if all you are going to receive is a lot of Dave Elman things which are not bad at all as I like Elman very much but I am wondering where the other greats like Dr. Milton Erickson are. How many hours does it last? Is there live hands on practice with other students while under supervision? Do you really need a history of hypnosis. You can find that in about any book and it differs greatly from instructor to instructor. The names listed -- are those places the instructor learned hypnosis like from Gerald Kein, etc? I would think you need to make a phone call to see exactly what you are getting. Anything short of 100 hours qualifies you for NOTHING in the USA. It also did not mention construction of metaphors which is pretty essential in this business.

[Poodle]

I see they do not teach by hours but do grade your proficiency. This qualifies you for no Guild in the USA that I know of so you would not be certified except by maybe them and who are they to certify you. This seems to be a new trend -- I'm a Certified Instructor so I'm going to start my own guild and certify my students. I sure would place a phone call into Manhattan Monday morning to see exactly what's up. It also mentions the word "seminar" a lot. Are you looking for quality training or to get by the easiest and quickest way possible. There are NO quick roads leading to being a good hypnotist. NGH only requires 100 hours of training and that is just really getting your nose wet and IMHO qualifies you as not much! It is a strange webpage for sure in that it says a lot but also says very little.

[blinkingstar]

Thanks Poodle,

I am interested in learning hypnosis, I just did google search for hypnosis institute which teaches hypnosis, I found this in NY.

can you suggest any good institutes for beginers ?

I really appreciate your help.

[Jack]

Blinkingstar, I suggest that if you want to find a good school for hypnotherapy you contact the NGH in the USA. This is not a cast iron guarantee, but at least you will be using a school accredited by a well known professional organisation. If the school you found is not accredited by an pro organisation or accredits itself then I would suggest that you look elsewhere.

Jack

[Poodle]

I have gone thru the list of schools recommended by NGH and find it lacking. It seems as if one is not an NGH instructor using NGH material it just doesn't count. I seem to be growing more and more critical of that organization every day. IMHO it is all take-take with NO give-give. Continuning Ed is a joke - you read a magazine 4 times a year and answer questions. The questions can have absolutely nothing to do with hypnosis in any way, shape or form. For me all they are really good for is their lending library. NGH standards are only 100 hours of training. Big Deal! Pretty soon we are going to have to set our own standards in the USA or the government will do it for us and they have a habit of messing something up badly as they have no idea what we do. Question becomes by who's standards are we to be licensed. Some very knowledgeable members think 100 hours is sufficient. I don't. We do seem to agree on an apprenticeship program of some type before being turned out to the public. I can quite imagine Terry would have some great ideas on this.

Cal Banyon has posted some videos on Google for anyone's use. I have always been curious as to what 5-path is as they so much want to be apart from the rest of us. From watching the videos I gather it is a 5 step process to "pull 'em out by the roots" therapy. He is also advocating apprenticeship.

Maybe Dr. Tad or Matt James would want to weigh in on this?? Maybe they should be the ones to spearhead it before the Feds get ahold of it.

[Merlin]

Cal was a student of Jerry Kein and Stephen Parkhill.
Want to know more?
Read Cal's book.

[Jack]

Your criticism of the NGH is not unfounded, Poodle, and I agree with some of the points you make.

100 hours is not sufficient to begin practice with. Perhaps a licensing system where 200 hours is the basic standard might be more appropriate, with genuine supervision for the first 5 years. How you would achive this I do not know, but for many years I have advocated that hypnotherapy schools should abide by the same rules that govern accredited universities.

Unfortunately, the NGH and other organisations is all you have at the moment so perhaps the best way is to change the culture from within, before change is imposed from without.

Jack

[Merlin]

Keep in mind what the NGH is.
The NGH is a union. There purpose is to support theire members, whoever the members are.
And like all unions they cater to the lowest common level and promote mediocrity.

[Poodle]

Well, fortunately I am the only member in the state where I live so it deals me no problems but as was stated above we do need to get our act together before the government does it for us. I was reading about one school that did the 200 and then added on another 80 plus a practicum. As APU has an accredited program all the way to PhD I would think they would be great at spearheading this effort.

Merlin, are you sure you live in Camelot? You know more about what goes on in the US than I do but then I live in the stix. Pood

[Merlin]

Hi Pood,

In Camelot, it's hard to avoid USeless news.
Also, APU is not accredited and has no plans to be.

[AnthonyM83]

I see they do not teach by hours but do grade your proficiency. This qualifies you for no Guild in the USA that I know of so you would not be certified except by maybe them and who are they to certify you. This seems to be a new trend -- I'm a Certified Instructor so I'm going to start my own guild and certify my students. I don't know what the link was since it was removed before I read the post, but the Society of Applied hypnosis will certify you based on proficiency.

Poodle, the way you write your post, it makes it seem like this trend is necessarily a substandard thing. I'd think certification based on proficiency would be so much more important and valuable than one based on number of hours completed. I didn't get my bachelor's degree by simply sitting through classes, but rather through showing proficiency in the subject matter. Which one makes more sense?

[Jack]

I belong to the NCH, although we have some sort of reciprocal arrangement with the NGH which I have never bothered with.

The NCH in the UK is not really union in the way Merlin describes since it does not promote mediocrity, and rather tries to raise the bar. An example is the Hypnotherapy Practitioner Diploma(HPD) which is the first truly national qualification and is examined by the same people who examine in colleges of Further Education and is thus divorced from the actual NCH.

The qualification is not at a high level but does demand case histories, recorded therapy sessions and a written paper. A similar qualification might be useful in the US.

Jack

[Poodle]

I only get BBC America plus a whole bunch from Mexico and even they took off my favorite show - Keeping Up Appearances.