Looking for ideas from other therapists

[changefactor]

I recently ran sometime line therapy work as part of a lengthy consult on a lady who was having difficulty aligning work and business and it was causng her a lot of stress. She got the hang of floating her time line very quickly and we worked through anger/sadness etc pretty well until we got to fear. At this point she started to say that her time line jumped about and semed to be in more in chunks than a connected line. I asked if she was seeing blacked out areas or wasshe seeing more than one line to see if we could get past this (no help), so we moved on. She was also sure that the first event was at age 10, but each time we worked it she could not let go and each future test was minor panic. She then told me that she had a phobia that she hadn't told me about during personal history (said it was silly). So we rested, finished the other key emotions and concluded for that session. I am now left preparing for the next. So. Firstly, what should I consider around her "chunky" timeline. Should I go looking for anything next time? or just say "hey thats her timeline". And how do I release this phobia? (she insists ten and says no other age comes up..I asked if it could mean 10 months, 10 past lives (she had some) ec but nope she was adamant). So any advise from experienced practicioners would be great.

Martin

[Poodle]

1. Did you LOCK her timeline in place? Did you test into the past, future and very high above?

2. Dark or missing areas usually indicate trauma. You can change submodalities to "brighten up" the timeline.

This is in Master Time Line Therapy if you haven't studied it yet.

It's a 15 step process that takes around 5 hours of which a good 2-1/2 to 3 hours are spent in INTAKE. You can proceed just as if you were eliminating neg. emotions or limiting decisions.

[Nigel H]

Martin

It may be that she is scared to go back to the event - which if it is a phobia causing event, could well be at 10 years old. Remembering that a phobia can be caused by a traumatic one-time event.

Be careful which method you use - since now you know she has a phobia, then you should use Negative Emotions #1 script and all the positions 1, 2 3 & 4 so you do not take her straight in to the event.

Is she totally congruent about it being OK with her UM to release the Fear?

If not, then chunk up higher with her ...... 'for what purpose' ..... 'what's your highest intention in X' etc until to can reframe to have conguency in her being OK to let it go.

You can also use the Logical Levels of Therapy to break down how she 'does' the phobia, so when you come to do TLT for the fear, it is less of an issue for her by then anyway and the TLT should work swiftly.

Check out any Secondary gain she may have in retaining the problem? Again this may come down to why she is not OK to let it go.

When you take her out of the event to position #3 and ask her 'now where is the emotion' is she congruent in it having gone at that point? I would expect that if she is not releasing all the fear above her time line, THAT is why you get to the future pace and still have some retained - indicating that either it was not the first event or it's not OK with her UM to let it go.

As mentioned, you could have her straighten her time line, and see if that allows her to 'focus' on it - or remind her that her UM will be able to find the relevant event anyway.

Anything else you need - just ask!

Nig

[Poodle]

That is exactly what I wrote, but we do not know the skill level of this person so....

Do you really think any secondary gain would NOT be covered in a 3 hour intake?

[Nigel H]

Poodle

Sure - you would expect the secondary gain to be searched for - and as you say, it may depend on the methodology and training level of the person invloved. If the client is 'blowing smoke up the therapists arse' as can happen, [either deliberately, or just because of strong secondary gain] it may mean the client will not get the result, by the therapist letting them off the hook too easily ................

Difficult to know for sure with limited info really !?!?!?

Cheers

nig

[Poodle]

That is exactly why I made my reply vague. We do not know the skill level of this person and this person never answered questions.

[changefactor]

Hi People. Thanks for your replies. I have been travelling and broaband is sort of limited in NZ so it has taken me a while to get peace to look at your thoughts. Your reference to some of the techniques being in Master prac has recently occured to me as I have been doing my pre-study for the course in Sydney with Tad James next month and began to think that logical levels may open this up a bit (when I have practised it). I do think that you are right that she has some seconday gain through defining herself this way for so long, but that is why the sketchy timeline bothered me (perhaps there are some blacked out events that are the real first event & she can't get to it anyway). I have not heard of locking the time line though (what did you mean). And yes I took her to all positions, floated her close, up & down etc and each time she says its gone until we future test. I think your idea of chunking up her intent is interesting, as she says that it is ok to release but does not show real signals of committment to letting go. We have worked on her othe issues and seis now motoring along well, so the only outstandng is this phobia and the look of the timeline. Tad says don't fix what isn't broken so I am not sure how much benefit she will get by me tiding her timeline unless the root of the phobia is there somewhere. As you say some ofthis is materprac and I will be better able to do this after May anyway.

[Poodle]

By locking the time line in place I mean you actually make an auditory sound to lock that time line in place.

As everything is going well except the phobia, you will find the Fast Phobia cure in the Master TLT training.

Have you studied NLP? If so, why don't you just NLP it?

[Jack]

Have you studied NLP? If so, why don't you just NLP it?

That is a very good suggestion, Pood.

Jack